The state of Socialism… Denmark sells out of staple goods to investment banks.

reply to post by flice


Ah socialism at it's finest - when there's no competition for the business, you're stuck with what they allow you to have and at the cost they set. Hey it's what you wanted, isn't it? No sympathy here my friend.

xuenchen
Sounds like the bankers use the same hair from the same dog that bit the first victim.

The international banking system is based on (at least) one of those Marx 10-planks ideas.

Brilliant strategy indeed.

$ocialism = Bankerism

Did you even read the op, socialism was working there and now corrupt capitalism is tearing the place apart!!!

capitalism = slavery

reply to post by LDragonFire


Wrong.

They are going to step 2 after step 1 failed as intended.

They're getting the next plank ready for walking.

$ocialism = Bankerism.

reply to post by xuenchen


ok please read what was written in the op here:

flice

But in the last 5 years or so, something has happened in Denmark…. the socialist democrats have been infested with people who seem to promote capitalist biased policies instead of socialist ones. The weirdest thing is that everyone is complaining about it but noone is doing anything.
Our current minister of finance, socialist democrat Bjarne Corydon, is one of the bluest democrats I have ever seen.
His approach to the tax money of the Danish people appears to flow more towards the business of big business than what would be considered good for the Danish people, and so came the first big mistake….

"We" sold the stock majority of our state owned energy company DONG to Goldmann Sachs…. at much lower price than they were worth. The Danish people were outraged and we actually managed to collect over 100.000 signatures against the sale (Demark has a total of 5 mil. people, including those under voting age), but our minister of finance litterally didn't care.

The rallies died out… always good to put deadlines in winter since noone will picket during winter.

Then lately we sold out on the company NETS, who is the one that controls all our money transactions with cards and online banking. Sold to investments bankers….

AND NOW…. the social democrats are discussing if we should sell out our stately owned drinkwater supplies.
This is something that fx. Germany found out was a bad bad idea because in the end it meant that the population had to pay more for their water than when it was in public hands.

So as you can see, the joys of living in a wellfunctioning socialist state is toppled by the greediness of capitalism… it will not end here. I hear silent whispers from here and there that the next thing after this is our educational system which would seize to be stately subsidised in the same way as it is now.
This would create a whole new lower class because a lot of talented and well meaning kids will be unanble to fund their education.

This isn't a commie take over its the opposite its a capitalist take over!!!

reply to post by LDragonFire


OK I read it I read it.

All part of the plan.

You are not getting the concept that they are using.

next.

Can you quote who it was that first came up with the "modern" definition of Capitalism?

And we need to define which "Capitalism" you are talking about.

reply to post by xuenchen


As I have indicated in my first post, I don't buy into the left vs. right paradigm anymore. Almost all politicians from all parties across the political spectrum are pro-statism and pro-EU/€Z-centralism.

I also don't believe the root cause for what we see throughout Europe is communism, nor socialism, but it definitely isn't capitalism either. Not in it's pure form.
I'd call what is happening syndicalist centralism, or the amassing of political power, then exploited by a few oligarchs.
It really is the dawn of oligarchy, as Plato described it.

As for "Bankism", we still have up to 400 medium- and small-sized, mostly independent Banks in Germany - the most in Europe, holding the bigger part of the capital of our middle-class businesses.
The centralists hate that fact and can't do anything about it, because our smaller banks are not so much investment-oriented, and thus not as much exposed (which IMO is/was really crucial in countering the GFC).
*eta: There is no doubt the IMF and Central Banksters are the ones pushing the EU/€Z-centralist agenda though.

reply to post by ColCurious


Not a bad way to sum it up.

I understand your view and agree.

Mine is a bit more to the theory that they are using more "Marx" ideas to get their agenda complete.

reply to post by xuenchen


I know we have a common overlap from some other posts of you I read.

xuenchen
Mine is a bit more to the theory that they are using more "Marx" ideas to get their agenda complete.

True, I'd agree that socialist-propaganda and systemic contexts are part of their [the EU-centralists] hegelian dialectic... I just don't think the outcome, or their solution is communism via socialism.
I suspect the endgame will be a tyrannical oligarchy, governing us through a true fascist superstate.

Hi there! We just moved to Denmark. We still have boxes to unpack, LOL, and my understanding of the politics here is still pretty rudimentary. I've always been very anti-socialism but I see a lot in Denmark to admire.

I think the rules from the EU that require the country to provide welfare for so many immigrants is hurting them.

Also, we won't pay full taxes for 5 years - but we will be eligible to receive payments for our children soon. This amounts to a decent amount of money per month. Our kids aren't Danish! To us it seems icky to be taking money from the state under these circumstances, like we are stealing from a country that isn't even ours.

How can Denmark survive when it is bleeding money every single month for a lot of people who aren't even Danes?

The unrest you're talking about is spreading. On the Strøget we saw posters that said Goldman Sachs were Social Democrats. This made us laugh - but after your post I can see why this sentiment exists.

Having just moved from the middle east I could make more comments, but I will simply say - the Danes should take a look at England and France and see how quickly & easily they can lose their own country.

Denmark is not and never was a "socialist" country, regardless of how often this falsehood is repeated. Its a social democracy. Its free market capitalism with a few social welfare programs thrown in. The re-framing of "socialism" referring to Scandinavian countries is a propaganda campaign that started after the collapse of the Soviet Union and other socialist utopias. True socialism can be found in Cuba, Venezuela, Zimbabwe, North Korea and now even somewhat in France who have decided to tax their rich with 75%.

ColCurious

Welcome to the EU.

Exactly.

Same thing here in Finland. We were doing just fine (although damaged by the big 90's recession caused by the same leeches who put us into EU in the first place, against the will of the majority of course).

The prices are through the roof now but wages aren't rising, they're shutting down hospitals, police, post offices, mental health services.. the cost of living is almost unbearable and many people who work full day have to rely on welfare.

Our prime minister just resigned, probably the most hated politician in our history who left us with record-high national depth. Globalist psychopath syndicate indeed.

reply to post by flice


In response to flice and joesignal, this is not limited to Denmark and other EU nations. It has been happening in Canada for years. In our case, the Rothschilds and deMarais' have taken over the AECB, all of the electrical and gas utilities, our communications carriers and they diddle with water as well. It appears that in order for someone to become a PM in this colony, they have to work for Powercorp (deMarais company) first. Our bank of canada governors are selected from a list provided by the IMF, the list is full of criminal investment bankers from Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, etc., you know, that revolving door policy crap just like the US. Our money is printed in Australia and our junk is made in China, our retail stores are owned by US interest. Our prime minister, the scumbag harper, is running a fire sale and selling off our natural resources to it seems the lowest bidder. Our dollar is artificially held below US par (way below it's actual value like JP Morgan and Silver) in order to discount our resources and give China and the US a better deal. The government stops Canadian fishermen from fishing in our waters, but then allows foreign nations to fish them. NAFTA, the TPP and TAP allow corporations to gut jobs in Canada and shift them offshore to the benefit of those corporations, reducing the tax base income causing the government to borrow money from the IMF controlled BOC which inflates are debt. Soon we will probably be exporting bulk water from Canada, which is totally illegal, but I am quite sure our criminal government will somehow slip that one under the rug as well.

Politicians are just puppets, front men for the actual controllers and handlers that try to retain anonymity behind the scenes. We need a whole new system of government, one that is neither communist, socialist, capitalist or totalitarian/fascist.

Dig deep, you will probably find all these problems in Denmark (I like Denmark, it was nice but a bit expensive when I was there). The real rape, the real transfer of wealth from the 99.9% to the 0.1% has just begun. Shortly, the unbelievably rich will begin to eat the super rich and rich and if you think we are going downhill now, you ain't seen nothin' yet.

Cheers - Dave

LOL, Ok, sorry for that. It's the old bait and switch, through and through. They lure you in, take your money (or power, in the case of socialism), and leave you with nothing. See, capitalism is not optional, it's a law of man. Men will enrich themselves whenever given the opportunity, there are a few exceptions, but those exceptions are far outnumbered by those that follow the rule.

We are all reaping what we sow. Unfortunately we've all sown some pretty terrible crops.

Denmark.....Welcome to our world!

2nd

There will never be pure socialism or pure capitalism. Why? Because human nature/culture does not allow it (yet). Regardless of what system you live in, the sociopaths will gather at the top and rob you blind, steal everything from under you until there is nothing left to steal anymore. It's one reason why socialism failed in Eastern Europe,... there was noting left to steal anymore so the politicians turned their keys in to the people and let them deal with the mess they created.

With socialism comes the added danger that funds will run out quicker than they can be collected. Not only are the sociopaths in the capital stealing and selling off everything possible right under the peoples noses, but they also pass unsustainable bills that they know will get them re-elected by those who want "free" stuff. Since nothing is free, nothing can be grabbed from the thin air around you and someone is always paying for it, funds for the "free" stuff run out when too many people want a piece of the "free" pie. If immigration laws are lax, people from poorer countries hear of this "free" pie and want a piece of it as well. Next thing you know, there's more people taking than putting their backs into keeping it all going.

A Capitalist-like society is sustained a bit easier because it's understood that there's no such thing as "free", but the greedy sociopaths (politicians) at the top do eventually help it to collapse. They want more stuff, more power so they can have more stuff, and in order to have more power and more stuff, they sell their souls to corporate sociopaths where these two intermarry to help each other out. They corrupt the system and pass laws that eliminate corporate competition. This keeps their corporate sociopath friends safe from competition and therefore loss of profits. What's more is these politicians use public funds to help their buddies out when things aren't looking good for them because they made bad business decisions.

So..... as you might see, neither socialism or capitalism will ever work indefinitely until the nature of people stops allowing sociopaths into powerful positions. They'll rob you no matter what system you live under, but the mini-sociopaths (people who'd rather be taken care of than have to work for their own comfort and survival at the expense of those who truly need it) will help a socialist system fall a lot sooner.

Cygnis
It seems that all the governments of the world are working towards selling everything out to the highest bidder for much less than it is worth, or much more then it's worth.

It's happening all over the place, in some fashion or another. It's down-right disturbing.

What is the end-goal tho, thats what I want to know.

Is it to turn us all into serfs paying the central banks for our air, water, and life?

Or is it the only way the governments can continue to keep functioning in some capacity, by selling off everything to get the next money-fix for pork-barrel spending?

Either way, it sounds like the people are being sold up the river, and the oars were the first thing sold.

No one will much mind tho, as long as the bread and circuses continue; Once they stop tho, lookout!.

Tick.... tick......

That's why they are tearing up the wooden decking and throwing that and just about everything else there is on the steamship to put into the boilers. Because they know the economy will run out of steam before it reaches dry land. They have to keep paying interest on the existing loans in order to keep borrowing more money to spend on social security.

In the UK, we've got to the point where old buildings like power stations are converted into luxury apartments and sold off to international investors. Meanwhile we have a housing shortage for the native population.

Kaiju
I wonder if Greece and Iceland did this sort of thing when they realized they were running out of money.

Greece were forced to as part of IMF conditions. These include: state owned companies are sold off (telecoms, power generation, railway networks), national assets like museum art collections, scenic islands and national parks are also sold off. Public services like education, healthcare and pension schemes are dismantled with salaries reduced if not job losses as well. Immigration is encouraged The idea is based on "shock therapy". Though, this invariably leads to a massive emigration of educated middle-class workers to be replaced by masses of minimum wage workers, which really locks the country into a downward spiral.

Iceland with a population of 500,000 who had absolutely nothing to do with what their bankers were doing, arrested both those government politicians and bankers responsible, and told the international creditors where to go.

All over the news here today:

The government wants people to access ANY sort of job, no matter what your education or profession is, as far as 1,5 hour drive away from home. Need I to mention, transportation is super expensive over here? The "job" can also be some sort of "internship", wage: 9€ a DAY. Also, the "wage" is paid by the government, so it's basically free for the employer (hard to imagine who lobbied this..)

If you refuse, your benefits will be cut 40% which leaves you barely enough for a single person to buy monthly food.

Now, guess what they will do? Use these "interns" until the time is up, kick him out and "hire" another. There are over 500,000 (out of about TOTAL 5,5 million people) unemployed and about 15,000 open jobs, most of which require a specialized education or experience.

I have one word for this: SLAVERY.

I know that there's something even more sinister going on in the UK where the people work at burger joints as "interns" etc.

ALSO, the masses are aging rapidly; we have one the highest average age in the Europe. This is beyond words. I'd say that riots are inevitable.

reply to post by flice


Sorry to hear. That reminds me,

I don't see the necessity for such powerful states in such small countries. They should be divided regionally and tied by a basic low budget low power government. Leave big government to the superpowers. It's a bit surprising that smaller countries like Denmark aren't overwhelmingly right-wing-libertarian. If I were dictator of such a small wealthy country as Denmark I would rig it as supremely free-market conservative with extremely low taxes on domestic private business. It's such a small manageable country you'd think the people would opt to take responsibility for themselves instead of giving that responsibility to the government.

reply to post by JoeSignal


Yea as an American Angle I'm with you, short the EUR buy the AUD and USD and your silly little Danish Krone! Withdraw financially from the Eurozone and let the dogs rip the EU financial system apart, most importantly don't bail it out, let it crash! Then re-institute national currencies like the German Mark and bring back old school classy European financial relations. It would be so much cooler if the EUR was scrapped and the whole of Europe's currencies pegged to each other, that would be way awesomer than the stupid Euro which is monopoly money compared to my US dollar.

You'd be surprised what could be accomplished via macro-market fads. All it takes is for Europeans against the Euro to take advantage of the currency to have a big effect. Don't buy Euro based stocks, sell them and short the EUR and buy American or Pound based stocks! If this were to trend over a large enough portion of your population it would be more effective than voting in a new president or even making a widespread protest like the Ukraine but to exit the EU. Ukraine probably would have been better off had they went wild short against the EUR and had a protest embargo against their market and tied up with Russia. Or maybe they threatened to do that but they were too conflicted. Anyway you'd be amazed what a million people working together can do in the market. It doesn't take much effort to accomplish big feats in this economy if you have enough people, just a bit of time and a bit of money each, also if you're right it pays!