Who are the 10 kings that rule for 1 hour with the beast?

reply to post by WarminIndy


I edited just so you know, but what is replacement theology?

jmdewey60
reply to post by WarminIndy

 

If you try without understanding what the writer was trying to say, your interpretation will be wrong.
God can give people an insight beyond words but I think that those revelations happen when you can appreciate them and see the context and where it fits.

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None of the writers moved by inspiration of God so everything in the Bible is some guy sitting and writing about his own thoughts?

Well now, I really understand where you are now. Unless you KNOW the AUTHOR, you don't really know what the author means and the AUTHOR and finisher of our faith is who? Mine is Jesus so anything I want to know, I ask Him because that's how we roll.

stok3th3fir3
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I edited just so you know, but what is replacement theology?

replacement theology is believing that the Christian church has replaced the Jews and Israel in God's favor, that there are no more real Jews any more and that there is not going to be a rapture because the Jews were destroyed in 70 AD. So therefore, no temple means no Jews means nothing for Jesus to come back for because the church has now replaced everything. And simply by identifying as a Christian, you are good to go.

reply to post by stok3th3fir3

It doesn't matter how you twist the verse, it says SIN IS TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW, YAHUWAHs law is called the TORAH. The laws of Moshe is YAHUWAHs law.

The NIV is not the only translation that has it different from the King James.
The Greek word used generally means behaving badly, and fits with the context of what the Writer of 1 John was saying.
What the literal meaning is having no law.
Saying "transgression of the Law" was someone's interpretation 400 years ago.
You are taking an interpretation and making it into a universal axiom that has nothing to do with what 1 John was saying.

. . . that law is TORAH, the same law YAHUSHUA followed, the same law that SHAUL followed, and the same law that the disciples followed.

You can't find anywhere in the Bible it saying that.
Paul said he kept the Law but gave it up, accounting it as so much dung.
He also said that Jesus was the end of the Law.
There are certain things in the Torah that are universal principles, those things Jesus pointed out but that is not a wholesale endorsement of the Torah.

reply to post by WarminIndy

None of the writers moved by inspiration of God so everything in the Bible is some guy sitting and writing about his own thoughts?

Words mean things.
It is hard enough understanding what someone wrote 300 years ago so how do you think it is easy to understand what was written thousands of years ago?
It takes some study to understand it properly.
And yes, obviously the different books of the Bible were written by different people at different times and for different reasons.
Seeing how each person wrote helps to get what the point is that he is making.
Of course they were inspired, so they knew a truth but making someone else understand it is another process.
Maybe you think you don't need to read the Bible since you think God talks directly to you.

reply to post by WarminIndy

replacement theology is believing that the Christian church has replaced the Jews and Israel in God's favor

"Replacement theology" is what Dispensationalists call the basic principle of Christianity, that they are God's chosen people, as it says in the New Testament.
The rest of your post is just stuff that you made up.

You are all wrong and your motivations are all selfish.

reply to post by ImaFungi

You are all wrong and your motivations are all selfish.

Since you must know a lot about it in order to judge, why don't you tell us what is the right thing, or interpretation?
And now you have the power of God Himself to know people's motives?

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2 Peter 3:16

16 as also in all his epistles (Pauls epistles), speaking in them of these things. Therein are some things hard to understand,which those who are unlearned and unstable wrest (twist), as they do also the other Scriptures,unto their own destruction.

Paul is hard to understand for people who do not know TORAH, if you study Acts and the TORAH together you will see how the TORAH was still beimg followed.

The Greek word here also means action (of the LAW/TORAH) "behaving badly" as you put it, is going against the laws of YAHUWAH, which is the TORAH. YAHUSHUA taught TORAH and if Paul teaches something else, he is a false prophet, but he doesn't.

reply to post by stok3th3fir3

There is a threat that is referred to in some of the books of the New Testament, which was unscrupulous teachers saying that we were somehow detached from the things that only our sinful bodies did, so we never accrued guilt.
That could be believed by people who misunderstood Paul's rhetoric in Romans 7.
I think what he was talking about there was his tendency to revert back to a Pharisaical behavior and distance himself from gentiles as they unknowingly or not did things that a Torah follower wouldn't do.
Paul talks about the weak and the strong, with the weak not being able to tolerate such things, and the strong, who could.
Philosophically he knew he should tolerate gentiles but in practice it was very difficult.
He said that the strong should be aware of this and to not place the weak in vulnerable situations.
The struggle with the "flesh" was his Jewish flesh or sensibilities that if not restrained would cause a schism in the church.
He was not struggling with "sin" as in breaking the law, but a sin against the law of Jesus to love one another as he loved them.
People who do not get the rhetoric out of evil or lack of intelligence or ignorance could take it to mean that it is a pass to commit sins of the flesh if your spirit is "right".

reply to post by jmdewey60


All of this stuff is only about; Human kind creating the highest moral, world society, on earth. 'The great work', Jesus being 'the son of God', and being the expresser of this 'human calling' or 'the righteous path and potential of humanity as a species on their journey of 'progression''. There is no magic involved, just bodies, minds, words, and actions. All of the little things people believe about jesus, all the catch phrases, and importance of miracles, are all bogus. Do you think 'Jesus died for your sins' and thats an important aspect of reality and has some mystical meaning and importance for you and Christians? Because I know that it is nothing more than a misunderstanding of a statement or turn of phrase taking out of proportion into mystical and mythological territory. Same with all of the 'trinkets' and oddities, its all bogus. It is only about society/civilization, people, how they treat themselves and others, what is tolerable collectively and individually. It is all about this world, the childish and despicable notion of afterlife held over 'believers' heads like jangling keys to get them to sit and behave is disgusting, and then act out in fear in their sects that everyone is wrong and they are right, because they must get into heaven. Bogus. Christians who do good works, are good people. People who do good, are good people. Good people are good people. The religion of Christianity quelled what was and would have otherwise been a radical revolution, of socioeconomic, political, philosophical proportions, and turned it into a nice comfortable obedient pasture, for nice and good people to tolerate the external wickedness of mans world and sin, as long as they have their sanctuary. And also a nice hide out for wicked people to use to trick others into thinking they are truly good. The heaven part is not whats important, what occurs on earth is what is important, and if all are striving to create the best society possible, then what about that would not please God? Jesus did not die for your sins, and there is nothing magical about it. Jesus died because of your sins...not you personally, but man kinds. He was pure good, and innocent, he was a lamb that was slaughtered, because the world of men is full of wolves. He was killed because mankind did not want to stop sinning, to stop being evil. He died because of their sin, not for them. Simple mistranslation, understanding, that evolved into a whole mythological ritual.

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That whole statement that you just made was all an add on to scripture, it means nothing but is an opinion. Do not add or take away, thats all there is to it. For those of us with our eyes open and oir ears attuned to YAHUSHUA it is easy to see that you are once again trying to make scripture fit what you believe. Lean not on your own understanding my brother. YAHUSHUA was an ISRAELITE, and was perfectly RIGHTEOUS which means he followed the TORAH perfectly, and this is a FACT. It doesn't matter how you twist Paul, you cannot change that FACT. YAHUSHUA asked us to follow after him. Well then do as he did, or be called LAWLESS. It is truely that simple.
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Are you still on the earth? Of course you are.

reply to post by ImaFungi

Because I know that it is nothing more than a misunderstanding of a statement or turn of phrase taking out of proportion into mystical and mythological territory.

It's not a misunderstanding because the spiritual aspect is expressly in the text and is not a product of interpretation.
If you want to completely discount the New Testament, then you don't have any sort of Jesus to make up your own interpretation about.

The heaven part is not whats important, what occurs on earth is what is important, and if all are striving to create the best society possible, then what about that would not please God?

That comes out from a straightforward reading of the New Testament, so that is not what is at fault.

He was pure good, and innocent, he was a lamb that was slaughtered, because the world of men is full of wolves.

He was killed by a highly profitable business that was selling God. He looked to be giving a way to bypass their system.
His death was the judgment of Satan, meaning it showed that the system was serving the wrong side.

Jesus died because of your sins...not you personally, but man kinds.

Jesus had to die before he could be resurrected.
That he was despite being a human, gives hope to the rest of us that our merely being human does not disqualify us from our own resurrection.

reply to post by stok3th3fir3

it is easy to see that you are once again trying to make scripture fit what you believe.

I change my beliefs according to my current understanding of scripture.

he followed the TORAH perfectly, and this is a FACT.

Using your own criteria of truth, where is the scripture that says that, or are you trusting in human understanding?

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

He meant the law as he described it, as opposed to how it was described by the Pharisees.
Jesus told the high priests and doctors of the Law that they did not know God.
Jesus understood the spiritual principles behind what would be a good law.
All the superfluous stuff in the the old written Mosaic Law, he left out of the discussion.
You may want to read some Bible commentaries.
I would recommend the Hermeneia series volumes on Mark and on Romans, by Adela Yarbro Collins and Robert Jewett (respectively).

Your use of inappropriate Hebraisms indicates to me that you belong to a cult, and I would recommend that you scrutinize that source of interpretation for problematic trusting in human understanding, especially since you don't have scriptural backing, just memorized cult slogans.

a reply to: ImaFungi

. . . continuing to have civilization ruled by men, men who act as God on earth.

I'm sure there are always people trying to do that.
The rest of your post, I don't see how you could possibly know all of that.
It just looks like something that is made up.

a reply to: ImaFungi

What would the qualifications for me to be a prophet . . .

Believing in what you call magic, to start with.

originally posted by: jmdewey60
a reply to: ImaFungi

What would the qualifications for me to be a prophet . . .

Believing in what you call magic, to start with.

ahhahahaahahahaah, oh man.... wow. Eating the flesh, drinking jesus blood, all psychopathic pagan/tribal rituals. Creepy, strange, objectively meaningless, silly, creepy, scary, nonsensical activities. All of it, all bogus, all wrong. Did Jesus do any of that? Oh my God , I understand it all so clearly its beautiful. No, he didnt. The ones that started the interpretations of his words and meanings did. Its a distraction, to take away the attention from the power of the people. But I think a necessary one. I think the elites knew that eventually they would need to begin to construct heaven on earth, but they knew Jesus was premature. If they had constructed it then, then none of this would have happened, there may have been no motivation to innovate and invent and progress, and they didnt want that. Which I suppose can be the metaphor of them following lucifer, which isnt a person, or devil, it is the human intelligence, the potential brightness of the human intelligence, their god is human intelligence, and what it can provide for them. So they knew 'Jesus' would return, but not for a while, as it was a shaky road to modern civilization,and 'Jesus' is quite an anomaly, 'the one', the nature that truly knows itself, God, the universes true image, Gods image, Gods son, The universes highest form of intelligence, speaking through a part of itself manifested on earth, so now that we have tons of knowledge, and technology, and access to resources, and the elites are in secure places of power with their possessions and comforts, now they will accept, the great good work, of helping build heaven on earth, and this will be the new world order. And yea, theres not much else too it. Of course there will be calamity, and fear, and uncertainty, and confusion, how could there not be, if the world is not perfect, in the means of mans behaviours and actions towards fellow man, but still everything that occurs as it does is what results in everything else being the way it is, then changing the one thing, will change the other. Currently there exists a ying yang, say white represents goodness and black represents the evils humans commit towards one another, by attempting to extremely minimize the existence of the black, and attempt to work towards creating an ever whiter circle, the stable and consistent circumstances that humans are used to and exist with, their ways of life, will be affected and altered...this will be the reason for massive unrest...and yea, thats about it. You are a sheep, waiting for your Sheppard to tell you what to do, you have sworn an oath to inaction and nonthought, if no Shepard comes, the world will remain as it is, and the Christians will remain as they are, in a happy place in their heads knowing they are going to heaven, because they did such a good job.

a reply to: jmdewey60

Being in a cult would imply that I go to a church, I do not, but you do, don't you. Biblical commentaries are your cult and your indoctrination. So here you are telling me, not to lean on mans understanding, but to lean on mans understanding? That is purely ridiculous. The Talmud is what the rabbinical priests cling to and the jews still hold there law above the TORAH even today. YAHUSHUA upheld TORAH and refuted the Talmud. Actually look at what the jews uphold, it is not the TORAH even today. They placed their Talmud above YAHUWAHs instruction which is TORAH. Is a bible commentary not "human understanding" as you put it? Of course it is. YAHUSHUA was correct when he told them they did not know YAHUWAH, it's much like how the catholic church does not know YAHUWAH, they place their laws above the BIBLE, don't they? The pharisees were doing the same thing. It's called the talmud. Please research it.