New tests say Jesus DID have a wife. There goes celibacy!

www.bostonglobe.com...

www.trouw.nl...

2nd link is in Dutch 1st in English


When it was announced in 2012 by the American professor of Harvard University Karen King that a papyrus document had surfaced stating that Jesus had a wife, the first who yelled fake was the Vatican.
Now however, after several years of extensive scientific research it shows that the document is genuine.

New scientific tests have turned up no evidence of modern forgery in a text written on ancient Egyptian papyrus that refers to Jesus as being married, according to a long-awaited article to be published Thursday in the Harvard Theological Review.

The findings support the argument of Harvard professor Karen L. King that the controversial text, the first-known explicit reference to a married Jesus, is almost certainly an authentic document.

The “Gospel of Jesus’s Wife” was introduced to the world by King at a conference in Rome 18 months ago. The announcement made headlines around the world, and many of King’s academic peers, as well as the Vatican newspaper, swiftly dismissed it as a fake.

Other tests found the ink’s chemical composition consistent with carbon-based inks used by ancient Egyptians. And microscopic imaging revealed none of the suspicious ink pooling that critics thought they saw in lower-resolution photographs of the fragment. Such pooling could have offered evidence that the ink was applied in modern times.

King has never argued that the fragment is evidence that Jesus was actually married. It would have been composed much later than the gospels of the New Testament, which are regarded as the earliest and most reliable sources on the historical Jesus and which are silent on that question.

Still, the latest tests do not prove definitively that the text was written in ancient times. Specialists said, hypothetically, that a highly skilled modern forger could have obtained the right kind of ink and meticulously applied it to a blank piece of ancient papyrus.

Determining the age of the ink using conventional testing methods would destroy the tiny document, roughly the size of a business card. Groundbreaking work by Columbia University researchers may soon uncover a way to date the ink without harming the fragment, which would offer a more definitive verdict about its authenticity.
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The Vatican has always claimed that mandatory celibacy (single and complete sexual abstinence) was necessary because it was written in ancient biblical texts.

What now if Jesus did had a wife?

reply to post by Annunak1


Why would "believers" start paying any attention to scientists now? It kind of ruins the party doesn't it?

If the Bible stated 2+2=5, which in essence it does many times, that is supposed to be truth.

reply to post by Annunak1


A sentence fragment is not "proof" of anything.

I thought Jesus married a prostitue, so if he can turn water into wine and lead into gold, I guess he can turn hookers into virgins.

reply to post by InverseLookingGlass


I really don't care if believers or scientists listen to each-other. Both parties wouldn't know truth if it slapped them in the face imho. I just thought this article is worth mentioning because if it is true then all those priests and what not have been holding in their sexual feelings for soooo long for nothing

Must be the biggest prank religion has done ever!

i thing that Guinness book of world records should award this the best prank ever. ( if proven true ofcourse ) even though i think it's probably true

weirdguy
I thought Jesus married a prostitue, so if he can turn water into wine and lead into gold, I guess he can turn hookers into virgins.

HAHAHAH

now wouldn't we all do that if we had the power

reply to post by Annunak1


Jesus, in my uneducated opinion, was just a normal man.

A very good orator, with radical ideals..and a wife.

The rest is what happens when fan boys write your biography.

AlphaHawk
reply to post by Annunak1

 

Jesus, in my uneducated opinion, was just a normal man.

A very good orator, with radical ideals..and a wife.

The rest is what happens when fan boys write your biography.

Does anyone with an educated opinion want to chime in?

It's amazing how unbelievers can put so much stock into one little sentence, yet ignore 66 books and vilify believers for putting stock in those.

reply to post by Annunak1


its amazing that a book claimed and heralded as the truth is a living document, always trying to stay relevant, always being updated to try and fit modern times... i understand that as new evidence comes out it may contradict previous claims.. but people kill each other over these books.. They condemn one another over the translation of these texts... they claim this to be proof and use it as a validation of their beliefs which this book originally instilled in them.. Until we can completely dismantle organized religion globally we will remain as the good books say, sheep always looking for a shepherd. Sorry.. may be off topic, not meant to derail thread..

reply to post by AlphaHawk


:: Starting a Slow Clap for you ::

Every single sentence should begin with "In my uneducated opinion" when dealing with religion... unless you were there 2000+ years ago and/or can validate the trustworthiness of the people of that time who reported on and documented all of the miracles, and facts, then how can you really bring anything other than an uneducated opinion to the table...

reply to post by Annunak1


1) This is not proof that Jesus was married. Your own source acknowledges that. It was written in 7 or 800 AD.

2) The vatican's stance on celibacy is not the Christian stance on celibacy. Christian churches allow their pastors to marry. That debate has nothing to do with this papyrus (personally, I find the catholic position on celibacy for priests to be ridiculous).

Oh, and there is already a thread on this with a much less sensationalistic title here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

killjoy99
reply to post by Annunak1

 

its amazing that a book claimed and heralded as the truth is a living document, always trying to stay relevant, always being updated to try and fit modern times... i understand that as new evidence comes out it may contradict previous claims.. but people kill each other over these books.. They condemn one another over the translation of these texts... they claim this to be proof and use it as a validation of their beliefs which this book originally instilled in them.. Until we can completely dismantle organized religion globally we will remain as the good books say, sheep always looking for a shepherd. Sorry.. may be off topic, not meant to derail thread..

not off topic in my eyes. I think you're right. Religion is holding us back as a species. Funny when you put the Quran & The Bible & The Tenach next to each other they are all talking about the same stuff most of the time. The human race is afraid to think for themselves so they let a book or someone else do it for them.

Annunak1
www.bostonglobe.com...

www.trouw.nl...

2nd link is in Dutch 1st in English


When it was announced in 2012 by the American professor of Harvard University Karen King that a papyrus document had surfaced stating that Jesus had a wife, the first who yelled fake was the Vatican.
Now however, after several years of extensive scientific research it shows that the document is genuine.

New scientific tests have turned up no evidence of modern forgery in a text written on ancient Egyptian papyrus that refers to Jesus as being married, according to a long-awaited article to be published Thursday in the Harvard Theological Review.

The findings support the argument of Harvard professor Karen L. King that the controversial text, the first-known explicit reference to a married Jesus, is almost certainly an authentic document.

The “Gospel of Jesus’s Wife” was introduced to the world by King at a conference in Rome 18 months ago. The announcement made headlines around the world, and many of King’s academic peers, as well as the Vatican newspaper, swiftly dismissed it as a fake.

Other tests found the ink’s chemical composition consistent with carbon-based inks used by ancient Egyptians. And microscopic imaging revealed none of the suspicious ink pooling that critics thought they saw in lower-resolution photographs of the fragment. Such pooling could have offered evidence that the ink was applied in modern times.

King has never argued that the fragment is evidence that Jesus was actually married. It would have been composed much later than the gospels of the New Testament, which are regarded as the earliest and most reliable sources on the historical Jesus and which are silent on that question.

Still, the latest tests do not prove definitively that the text was written in ancient times. Specialists said, hypothetically, that a highly skilled modern forger could have obtained the right kind of ink and meticulously applied it to a blank piece of ancient papyrus.

Determining the age of the ink using conventional testing methods would destroy the tiny document, roughly the size of a business card. Groundbreaking work by Columbia University researchers may soon uncover a way to date the ink without harming the fragment, which would offer a more definitive verdict about its authenticity.
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The Vatican has always claimed that mandatory celibacy (single and complete sexual abstinence) was necessary because it was written in ancient biblical texts.

What now if Jesus did had a wife?

Last sentence, WRONG, priests were indeed married up until the Middle Ages.

Mandatory celibacy came in the Middle Ages, and it was not because of Biblical texts, it was because they felt priests needed to focus more attention on ministry.

The first part is wrong, there is NO WAY to determine if Jesus was married. Just because a document was written, it doesn't mean that Jesus was married, only that they found a document.

And now let me ask this, as the Gospels were written by the authors about Jesus, then why make one called The Gospel Of Jesus, written by someone else? Did you ever think of that? Matthew wrote Matthew, Mark wrote Mark, Luke wrote Luke and Acts, and John wrote John.

Who wrote the document in question?

DeadSeraph
reply to post by Annunak1

 

1) This is not proof that Jesus was married. Your own source acknowledges that. It was written in 7 or 800 AD.

2) The vatican's stance on celibacy is not the Christian stance on celibacy. Christian churches allow their pastors to marry. That debate has nothing to do with this papyrus (personally, I find the catholic position on celibacy for priests to be ridiculous).

Oh, and there is already a thread on this with a much less sensationalistic title here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

edit on 11-4-2014 by DeadSeraph because: (no reason given)

I know this ain't proof. Just a possible new way to look at things considering Jesus.

Even if this was proof then it still wouldn't be proof if you know what i mean.

Last sentence, WRONG, priests were indeed married up until the Middle Ages.

Mandatory celibacy came in the Middle Ages, and it was not because of Biblical texts, it was because they felt priests needed to focus more attention on ministry.

The first part is wrong, there is NO WAY to determine if Jesus was married. Just because a document was written, it doesn't mean that Jesus was married, only that they found a document.

And now let me ask this, as the Gospels were written by the authors about Jesus, then why make one called The Gospel Of Jesus, written by someone else? Did you ever think of that? Matthew wrote Matthew, Mark wrote Mark, Luke wrote Luke and Acts, and John wrote John.

Who wrote the document in question?

But what if we had a time machine? Then it WOULD BE possible to determine if Jesus was married.
And what "if" Jesus resurrects and tells the world he had a wife! would that be "a way" to determine if he was married?

Maybe Jesus was to tired from making so much wine out of water that he asked a friend (possible Judas) to write his gospel for him?

I don't know who wrote the document. Could be the easter bunny for all i care

Annunak1

Could be the easter bunny for all i care

Then you don't care enough to educate yourself.

Your title says NEW TESTS CONFIRM JESUS WAS MARRIED then you post the link to a document that you don't know who wrote it nor do you care. And the tests only confirm it was a papyrus document, that's all.

Your title is wrong, your thesis is wrong, your facts are wrong, and you don't care. Seems to me you just want to take a stab at Christians today.

reply to post by Annunak1


Timothy 4

3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth.

weirdguy
I thought Jesus married a prostitue, so if he can turn water into wine and lead into gold, I guess he can turn hookers into virgins.

Str8-Up Hilarious!!!
Jesus Be Big Pimpin'

Regards,

WarminIndy

Annunak1

Could be the easter bunny for all i care

Then you don't care enough to educate yourself.

Your title says NEW TESTS CONFIRM JESUS WAS MARRIED then you post the link to a document that you don't know who wrote it nor do you care. And the tests only confirm it was a papyrus document, that's all.

Your title is wrong, your thesis is wrong, your facts are wrong, and you don't care. Seems to me you just want to take a stab at Christians today.

no no no no no. my title says: New tests SAYS (not CONFIRM)

i don't know who wrote the document but i do know the research was done by professor Karen King.

And the tests also confirmed that it was very unlikely to be a forgery.

My title is not wrong. You are wrong for misreading the title. I forgot what thesis is as my native language is not english. My facts are not wrong. Fact is they found this papyrus document. Fact is new test results say it is very UNLIKELY to be a forgery.

And i don't want to take a stab at christians. ( only when they follow me around in the city trying to pursuade me to believe in their lies )

Char-Lee
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Timothy 4

3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth.

Certain foods. Can you tell me more about what kind of foods? I know that pork is a big no no and i think i heard or read somewhere that shellfish are also a big no no.

If only people who believed and knew the truth would get food than the food problem these days will be solved as many will die of starvation....