How do police in England do their jobs without guns and a body count?

reply to post by ObservingYou


I actually think you might have made the opposite point from what you were trying to make.

For any of our cousins across the pond this is how UK police deal with people who are being awkward.



Just watch the video, the police dont really do anything that I would say was wrong, people get pulled over all the time and the officer asks that you turn off the engine and get out of the car. Its pretty normal stuff.

This guy in the video goes a bit over the top, he is shouting at the police, talking about "Bacon breath" and firing all kinds of insults at them so the PC calls for some support (nothing wrong with that) the guy has a bit more of a rant as they check him out on their systems and he drives off. The result probably would have been the exact same had he been more cooperative.

I think a lot of members of the public forget that a police officer is just doing his or her job and its a job that someones got to do.

You cannot actually fault the police in this video, but the guy filming it is acting like a real jerk.

Wait, so let me get this straight, English police have no firearms whatsoever? To anybody in England that knows, what happens if somehow someone in England is armed to the teeth? How do they take down a shooter? Or someone who has weapons and such of the projectile nature that uses gun powder and the like?

I haven't read all the posts but just wanted to share my view. My job involves working with the police almost on a daily basis. The ones I deal with a pretty normal people, one of them makes cup cakes! I've met them out of work some have their own families with small kids and lead a normal persons life. When I've seen them deal with the people there's never no over over the topness. Obviously I only see them when we have to call them and I've witnessed some terrible excuses for police officers.

My father use to be a police officer here in England during the 80s to late 90s. During them times there wasn't all this EU rights and health and safety, you use to be able to clip someone round the ear so to speak and that would be the end of that. But now even one little fender bender and there's all these forms to fill out. As for people not getting killed i think it's just down to the culture of the UK it's totally different to the US. But that's not to say we haven't had our fair share of nutters

Echo3Foxtrot
Wait, so let me get this straight, English police have no firearms whatsoever? To anybody in England that knows, what happens if somehow someone in England is armed to the teeth? How do they take down a shooter? Or someone who has weapons and such of the projectile nature that uses gun powder and the like?

No there are quite a lot of Armed response officers in the UK (actually there are almost 7000), all members of the PSNI, MoDP and CNC are armed which accounts for most of that figure. The rest come from Armed response officers, these are highly trained officers trained in the use of weapons, who will respond to any incident where a dangerous weapon has been used or is likely to be used or where there is a significant threat (ie, terrorism).

Because Guns are not quite so common on the UK as they are in the States having most officers unarmed is never really a big issue.

reply to post by Echo3Foxtrot


We have armed response units. Armed with side arms sub machine guns and tasers.

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin


reply to post by ThePeaceMaker


That sounds awesome. I imagine you'd have to be a citizen to become an officer there right? I might have to look in to this. Sounds like a damn good job, honestly. I imagine most of the cops there have less fear for their lives than cops here.

SCO19 that's apparently the name of the UKs special police. Here's there web page.
content.met.police.uk...



Hmmm imbed not working here's the link
m.youtube.com...

reply to post by Echo3Foxtrot


Actually the police force these days have to target multi cultural/ethnic (you get me) targets for new recruits, I think that's right anyway. You can move here apply to become a citizen and then you can apply

reply to post by abe froman


As someone who has freinds in the police I can tell you. Its all down to recruitment and training standards.

The police is very hard to get in to, standards are very high.

A lot of recruits are degree holders from middle class background and very intense.

Also the training never stops, they dont pass police acadermy then get handed a badge and set of hand cuffand tell em to go catch bad guys!. They cant even drive a car with lights at first. Everything needs training and courses.

Of course bad apples get in and we have our problems, but the British people have a very low tolerance for police abuse and we speak out and demand change when things go wrong, many a policeman career gets ruined and rightly so.

Use the Law....lol.

reply to post by ThePeaceMaker


SCO19 is just the Metropolitan police service's specialist firearms unit they are not any kind of specialist national police force although they do assist other forces they are more experienced.

If there was any kind of specialist national UK police force it would be the Ministry of Defense Police (who are civilian not military) although even they are not the kind of specialist national service as say the FBI's HRT is, we dont really have anything like that as US Special Forces can operate within the UK when it is authorized.

reply to post by ThePeaceMaker


Might not be a bad idea. Can't imagine gaining citizenship will be easy since I'm white, or so I hear. But that would be cool. I do have a degree in criminal justice and if that doesn't work out I'm sure England has a need for skilled plumbers. Unless you guys still poop in stone holes and wipe with hay. lol

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin

Yeh you got me I was just trying to give a rough idea that there are different police units, more than just you bobble hat 'ello ello what going on in here' police officer that apparently pregnant ladies can pee in their hats if there is no other option

reply to post by Echo3Foxtrot


My dad enjoyed it, he was involved in some mock up plane hijackings at stanstead airport. His role was just to act as a passenger, they used a real jet too. Finished his career driving police boats. As for pooping in stone holes, you'll only find that in Norfolk

Only tried it once myself when very drunk and they won and looking back I think it was a good time had by all .

Whilst the everyday bobby on the beat is armed with nothing more than a baton, a tazer and a pepper spray........it's also fair to say that when we do arm our police officers, we tend to really arm them!

reply to post by jimmyx


phahahahahahahahahahahahahaaha!!

they don't need guns, they just lie and give you a good kicking in the cells to most innocent people and let the criminals get away, the british justice system works only for the criminals. over here they are not called the 'filth' for nothing. lying scum. bullies with badges.

OtherSideOfTheCoin
reply to post by ObservingYou

 

I actually think you might have made the opposite point from what you were trying to make.

For any of our cousins across the pond this is how UK police deal with people who are being awkward.

While he was acting like a bellend for sure, we don't know how many times he's been hassled, stopped, intimidated before.
It seems to me he's taken legal advice and also reported police previously and had complaints upheld.
While I certainly wouldn't carry on that way and I'd happily help the officers out with their inquiries, I certainly don't begrudge that guy knowing the law, standing his ground and being extremely defensive.

It's not my style but then again I haven't had to make police complaints or get legal advice regarding police harassment.

The guy had some balls to be fair...

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin


I remember seeing that video a few months back, in my opinion the guy was being an arsehole and the coppers were being reasonable.....of course not many people on Facebook see it like that, just another excuse to take a pop at the police.

My hatred of guns in the public domain aside.....I'm glad things are the way they are. If Britain was armed, no-one would be safe. British people can be the nicest people on the planet, but when we flip, oh boy can we flip...the body count would be ridiculous if we were armed, especially on a Fri / Sat night.

I know some of you are probably thinking "Well, if everyone was armed, people would think twice about pulling their gun"....well...I honestly don't think it would work like that, the mentality of some of our more colourful characters leaves a lot to be desired.....I could imagine it making the ME look like a Butlins summer holiday.

Britain is a great place, until after a few beers and a "you looking at my bird pal?".

reply to post by abe froman


They don't keep order. Your streets are some of the most violent in the world. Scotland is a blood pot.

Also, our police here have some of the highest body counts in the world...for loses.

No one really cares about how many cops are shot or shot at every year. Its up there.
They need them.

Also, UK citizens have no trespassing areas where certain cultural and ethnic backgrounds are predominant, where any "natives" ventured in, they would be raped, killed, or just robbed and beaten.

So.....We need the proper tools for the work in OUR field. We don't like foreign nationals and minority groups dictating to the vast majority where they can go and what can be done in our own home.

If we had no guns in the hands of law enforcement .....we would be just like you....and we could celebrate our progressive ideals and advanced sense of peace....while our country was slowly taken over by animals....