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HauntWok
reply to post by neo96
Where do people think the Bill of Rights came from ?
The Magna Carta and the constitutions of existing native American tribes.
NOT from the 10 Commandments.
The rest of your obscure post is in reference to Jewish law, and not Constitutional law. I think you are losing it Neo. I think you are mixing the two up.
It's ok, you aren't the only one to make that mistake. This is a secular nation not a Christian nation, no matter how much the hard core Right wants America to think it is.
Let me get this clarified.
You are saying that operations like F&F are actually creating jobs and good for the entire economy ?
Destinyone
reply to post by neo96
I hate to say this. I think if Holder could find some way to incite a race war, down and dirty race war. he'd jump on it.
His disdain for laws, especially ones he feels are not to the advantage to his cause, is frightening. I've seen him holding barely contained rage in his replies to committees he's been called in front of, to answer questions about his and his agencies questionable actions.
You can see him shaking with rage, his voice crackling with rage.
Not the kind of rage that goes with a just cause...
An arrogant, self entitled rage that is just below the surface, that leads to insanity, and insane actions
JMOHO...
Des
Holder was then among the leaders of the Student Afro-American Society (SAAS), which demanded that the former ROTC office be renamed the “Malcolm X Lounge.” The change, the group insisted, was to be made “in honor of a man who recognized the importance of territory as a basis for nationhood.”
Holder has bragged about his involvement in the “rise of black consciousness” protests at Columbia.
“I was among a large group of students who felt strongly about the way we thought the world should be, and we weren’t afraid to make our opinions heard,”
HauntWok
reply to post by neo96
IRS targeting conservatives
It was found that the IRS were doing their jobs
No answers for Benghazi
Been answered, if you don't like the answer to this tragedy take it up with the militants THAT ACTUALLY KILLED OUR CITIZENS!
No accountability for Fast and Furious
"Job Creators" legally procured firearms as an anti theft deterrent for a profitable and popular import business. Are you against Job Creators now Neo? Against small business? What do you have against guns?
edit on 10-4-2014 by HauntWok because: (no reason given)
HauntWok
reply to post by neo96
IRS targeting conservatives
It was found that the IRS were doing their jobs
hounddoghowlie
reply to post by HauntWok
The FBI found that they did nothing wrong.
you mean The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) a governmental agency belonging to the United States Department of Justice. which is headed by Eric Holder. is that the one your talking about.
isn't that like asking the fox to guard the hen house. no cronyism there hunh.
maybe cronyism is the wrong word to use, maybe the words, a conflict of interest, would have been a better.
edit on 10-4-2014 by hounddoghowlie because: (no reason given)
neo96
reply to post by marg6043
After all having so much power to play with constitutional rights and be arrogant enough to circumvent laws, can go easily on anybody's head.
Must be nice to get to pick and choose what laws matter, and what doesn't.
After all he has 'vast amounts of discretion' of 'enforcement' ! !
Holder claims 'vast amount' of discretion in enforcing federal laws
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
And Holder absolutely needs to go.
On Sunday, the Justice Department said it is reviewing evidence in the case to determine whether criminal civil rights charges are warranted.
The Justice Department opened an investigation into Martin’s death last year but stepped aside to allow the state prosecution to proceed.
HauntWok
reply to post by MarlinGrace
I am merely replying in the same manner as the OP does in similar threads. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you as it were.
The weapons were bought legally. And according to the OP's own modus operandi, any law that does not reflect his own personal belief must be null and void. Therefore, giving those weapons to the drug cartels must be ok, because to think otherwise means that in this country there should and needs to be some sort of gun regulations.
Unfortunately the OP doesn't believe that there should be any regulations on firearms. Therefore, the gun sales and what the legal owner did with those guns is all good.
Therefore Holder did nothing wrong except for losing track of the guns that he was trying to keep track of. Darn.
Also according to the OP's modus operandi anyone who is wealthy can do no wrong. Because wealthy people are better than anyone else by virtue of being wealthy. Therefore even though the recipient of the firearms were a notoriously dangerous drug cartel. Being wealthy must mean that they are automatically a "Job Creator" and therefore above any law that would prohibit that.
Unless of course the OP is simply being partisan which I have been accused of and apparently is a bad thing. Well, I've been accused of being partisan as far as not leaning hard core right wing. Which to some including the OP is treason deserving of death.
Here's the simple truth as far as fast and furious goes.
The drug cartels provide a product that Americans want. If Americans didn't want this product, the drug cartels wouldn't exist. They simply wouldn't have the financial backing to do anything.
They employ thousands of individuals and have a vast distribution network.
Holder's only real crime was simply furthering the already failed drug war. A war that has incarcerated untold amounts of Americans needlessly, cost taxpayers billions if not trillions of dollars, and has done NOTHING to stem the tide of narcotics entering this country.
The drug cartels are simply an import business that provide a commodity that a large percentage of the American public wants. There's nothing different between them and the gangsters of prohibition. The only reason that they are so violent is because of the technicality of the product they happen to be importing being illegal.
The same thing happened during prohibition. Look how well that turned out.
Frankly the United States government is doing the exact same thing in Afghanistan that the drug cartels are doing. Where do you think that the opiates for the legal narcotics people in this country use comes from?
Hell, we are protecting those poppy fields with our men and women in uniform. Making damn sure that our pharmaceutical companies have access to those poppies. Ensuring that our drug addicted culture has the opiates they love and need.
But thanks to partisan political bull crap, we have this pseudo scandal going on.
Hell Reagan gave away more high powered weaponry including anti aircraft weaponry and tons of money to proto Al Qaeda during the Soviet Afghan war than Fast and Furious did and that wasn't a scandal at all. Those same weapons and training were used against our own soldiers.
Oh but because it's the Obama administration. It's got to be a scandal.
It's a bull crap scandal. Perpetrated by the hard line right. It's all partisan.
Sad that he can't take any sort of criticism without playing the card.
Destinyone
I think if Holder could find some way to incite a race war, down and dirty race war. he'd jump on it.
Mr. Holder has a history of stoking racial resentments. In 2009, he quipped that “in things racial” Americans form “a nation of cowards.” In 1996, he told The Washington Post that for 25 years he carried in his wallet a quote from a black preacher that, “No matter how affluent, educated and mobile [a black person] becomes, his race defines him more particularly than anything else.” To which Mr. Holder added: “It really says that … I am not the tall U.S. attorney, I am not the thin U.S. attorney. I am the black U.S. attorney. And [the preacher] was saying that no matter how successful you are, there’s a common cause that bonds the black U.S. attorney with the black criminal or the black doctor with the black homeless person.