MH370 Tragedy: Experts confirm pulse signals are from a black box

reply to post by ScientiaFortisDefendit


It's pretty sad when it's the smarter thing to do just assume all our leaders are lieing until seeing solid evidence otherwise.

Staroth

However, it could not be confirmed whether the signals had come from the black box of the missing Malaysia Airlines (MAS) flight, MH370, he said.

How many planes went down in that area? What a odd thing for one to say...
To be honest I will not believe this story until they pull the black box or the plane wreckage from the ocean! I just don't think they will, it makes no sense, none of it!

I have some sympathy with that when they said specifically "FDR".
But what they also said at the front of the statement is also rather curious they said, "Man made device" the two pieces of statement do not sit comfortably together, either it is a Flight data recorder or it is not.
However a man made device IS optional. Blue whales and other species, and possibly in that area, are subject to observation, and they do have pingers that work in the same way as an aircrafts. Information is sent via satellite when an animal surfaces, and can be tracked. So any air breathers will surface at some time or other.
Any references to sea creatures like whales and seals etc that was mentioned in the past by the searchers was to actual sounds made by the animal not, any device that may be on a whale or other creature.

combatmaster
reply to post by daaskapital

 

Theres only one thing i dont get.

Assuming the plane did indeed sink in the ocean, this doesnt account for the report of family members calling passengers' mobile phones and hearing a ringtone!

any ideas? maybe the reports of these family members are not 100% accurate?

The ringtone is artificially generated until the telephone is located. The idea is to keep people on the line until someone answers. It's not the actual phone being activated.

Zaphod58

The reliability of the data, and the 30 days battery life were tied together in a post on this page.

edit on 4/9/2014 by Zaphod58 because: (no reason given)

By someone who got it wrong. How else would the French Flights FDR still tell the tale of what happened to it after 2 years underwater? As many have said (though you seem to have ignored them) only the pinger has a battery life of 30(ish) days...

reply to post by djz3ro


Which was the point that I was making when I replied to them. I'm not ignoring anything. I was correcting the person that was wrong.

djz3ro

Zaphod58

The reliability of the data, and the 30 days battery life were tied together in a post on this page.

edit on 4/9/2014 by Zaphod58 because: (no reason given)

By someone who got it wrong. How else would the French Flights FDR still tell the tale of what happened to it after 2 years underwater? As many have said (though you seem to have ignored them) only the pinger has a battery life of 30(ish) days...

Most of the experts I have seen actually gave the pinger a likelyhood of lasting much longer on a diminishing basis, a person had in his experience one battery of 60 days duration. But still the expectancy is of 30 days, everything else is a bonus. The FDR is solid state, intact and unbreached the information is retrievable.

I am pretty sure it will be found very soon along with some robotic submersible video footage,
And if the plane is mostly intact and bodies are found the similarities with Flight 815 will be complete...

What seems strange to me is, that the first ship to get a signal was a Chinese one... the Australian one followed after it...
But the signals the both ships receivered were 500km apart.
So are there 2 blackboxes? An error?

reply to post by aLLeKs


More than just recorders broadcast on that frequency.

reply to post by Zaphod58


Then I apologise for getting it wrong my friend

2nd...

reply to post by djz3ro


No worries. If you don't ask, you don't find out.

I agree that there is more to this story than we are being told. The FDR may be intact and retrievable but will the exact contents ever be disclosed? Perhaps the plane met with a nefarious end, like an errant or deliberate rocket attack. If so, no one would want that information made public, since the consequences could be disastrous, given the region it went down in.

aLLeKs
What seems strange to me is, that the first ship to get a signal was a Chinese one... the Australian one followed after it...
But the signals the both ships receivered were 500km apart.
So are there 2 blackboxes? An error?

I've wondered about that myself. It's out there in the middle of the ocean. Why where there 2 signals so far apart? There is nothing there it's just empty ocean so how can there be 2 signals at such a distance. Conspiracy!!! Doesn't make much sense at all.

That is very deep water out there it is going to be hard work to get the black boxes.

reply to post by Cynic

since the consequences could be disastrous, given the region it went down in.

The Indian Ocean? Lots of politics out there.

A US navy ship, while in Iranian waters, shot down an Iranian commercial airliner in Iranian air space and nothing world shaking became of that one.

and then there are the frequencies that are naturally occuring,,, just some,,


Table of NMR isotopes

1 1H 100 1/2 5.58569 750.03 MHz
1 2H 0.015 1 0.85744 0.00288 115.13 MHz
2 3He 0.00013 1/2 5.95792 800.01 MHz
3 6Li 7.42 1 0.82205 -0.00064 110.38 MHz
3 7Li 92.6 3/2 2.17096 -0.04000 291.51 MHz
4 9Be 100 3/2 -0.78500 0.05300 105.41 MHz
5 11B 80.4 3/2 1.79242 0.04000 240.68 MHz
5 10B 19.6 3 0.60022 0.08608 80.60 MHz
6 13C 1.11 1/2 1.40482 188.64 MHz
7 14N 99.6 1 0.40378 0.01930 54.22 MHz
7 15N 0.365 1/2 -0.56638 76.05 MHz
8 17O 0.037 5/2 -0.75752 -0.02600 101.72 MHz
9 19F 100 1/2 5.25773 705.99 MHz
10 21Ne 0.257 3/2 -0.44120 0.10290 59.24 MHz
11 23Na 100 3/2 1.47839 0.10800 198.51 MHz
12 25Mg 10.1 5/2 -0.34218 0.22000 45.95 MHz
13 27Al 100 5/2 1.45660 0.15000 195.59 MHz
14 29Si 4.7 1/2 -1.11060 149.13 MHz
15 31P 100 1/2 2.26320 303.90 MHz
16 33S 0.76 3/2 0.42911 -0.06400 57.62 MHz
17 35Cl 75.5 3/2 0.54792 -0.08249 73.57 MHz
17 37Cl 24.5 3/2 0.45608 -0.06493 61.24 MHz
19 41K 6.88 3/2 0.00 MHz
19 39K 93.1 3/2 0.26099 0.05400 35.05 MHz
20 43Ca 0.145 7/2 -0.37641 50.54 MHz
21 45Sc 100 7/2 1.35906 -0.22000 182.49 MHz
22 47Ti 7.25 5/2 -0.31539 0.29000 42.35 MHz
22 49Ti 5.51 7/2 -0.31548 0.24000 42.36 MHz
23 51V 99.8 7/2 1.46836 -0.05150 197.17 MHz
23 50V 0.24 6 0.55659 0.20900 74.74 MHz
24 53Cr 9.55 3/2 -0.31470 -1.29545 42.26 MHz
25 55Mn 100 5/2 1.38190 0.33000 185.56 MHz
26 57Fe 2.19 1/2 0.18060 24.25 MHz
27 59Co 100 7/2 1.31800 0.42000 176.98 MHz
28 61Ni 1.19 3/2 -0.50001 0.16200 67.14 MHz
29 65Cu 30 3/2 1.58800 -0.19500 213.23 MHz
29 63Cu 69.1 3/2 1.48400 -0.22200 199.27 MHz
30 67Zn 4.11 5/2 0.93460 0.15000 125.50 MHz
31 71Ga 39.6 3/2 1.70818 229.37 MHz
31 69Ga 60.4 3/2 1.34439 180.52 MHz
32 73Ge 7.76 9/2 -0.19544 -0.19000 26.24 MHz
33 75As 100 3/2 0.95965 0.29000 128.86 MHz
34 77Se 5.12 1/2 1.06930 143.58 MHz
35 79Br 50.5 3/2 1.40427 0.29300 188.56 MHz
35 81Br 49.5 3/2 1.51371 0.27000 203.26 MHz
36 83Kr 11.6 9/2 -0.21570 0.26000 28.96 MHz
37 87Rb 27.9 3/2 1.82760 0.13000 245.40 MHz
37 85Rb 72.2 5/2 0.53928 0.27300 72.41 MHz
38 87Sr 7.02 9/2 -0.24291 0.15000 32.62 MHz
39 89Y 100 1/2 -0.27364 36.74 MHz
40 91Zr 11.2 5/2 -0.52145 70.02 MHz
41 93Nb 100 9/2 1.37120 -0.28000 184.12 MHz
42 97Mo 9.46 5/2 -0.37340 0.20000 50.14 MHz
42 95Mo 15.7 5/2 -0.36560 -0.01900 49.09 MHz
44 99Ru 12.7 3/2 -0.24900 0.07600 33.43 MHz
44 101Ru 17.1 5/2 -0.27900 0.44000 37.46 MHz
45 103Rh 100 1/2 -0.17680 23.74 MHz
46 105Pd 22.2 5/2 -0.25600 0.66000 34.37 MHz
47 107Ag 51.8 1/2 -0.22725 30.51 MHz
47 109Ag 48.2 1/2 -0.26174 35.15 MHz
48 111Cd 12.8 1/2 -1.19043 159.85 MHz
48 113Cd 12.3 1/2 -1.24540 167.23 MHz
49 113In 4.28 9/2 1.22864 0.84600 164.98 MHz
49 115In 95.7 9/2 1.23129 0.86100 165.33 MHz
50 117Sn 7.61 1/2 -2.00208 268.83 MHz
50 119Sn 8.58 1/2 -2.09456 281.25 MHz
50 115Sn 0.35 1/2 -1.83770 246.76 MHz
51 121Sb 57.3 5/2 1.34550 -0.33000 180.67 MHz
51 123Sb 42.8 7/2 0.72876 -0.68000 97.86 MHz
52 123Te 0.87 1/2 -1.47360 197.87 MHz
52 125Te 6.99 1/2 -1.77660 238.56 MHz
53 127I 100 5/2 1.12530 -0.78900 151.10 MHz
54 131Xe 21.2 3/2 0.46124 -0.12000 61.93 MHz
54 129Xe 26.4 1/2 -1.55595 208.93 MHz
55 133Cs 100 7/2 0.73785 -0.00300 99.08 MHz
56 135Ba 6.59 3/2 0.55884 0.20000 75.04 MHz
56 137Ba 11.3 3/2 0.62515 0.34000 83.94 MHz
57 139La 99.9 7/2 0.79520 0.20000 106.78 MHz
57 138La 0.089 5 0.74278 0.51000 99.74 MHz
59 141Pr 100 5/2 1.60000 -0.04100 214.84 MHz
60 143Nd 12.2 7/2 -0.30760 -0.56000 41.30 MHz
60 145Nd 8.3 7/2 -0.19000 -0.29000 25.51 MHz
62 147Sm 15 7/2 -0.23220 -0.18000 31.18 MHz
62 149Sm 13.8 7/2 0.19150 0.05600 25.71 MHz
63 153Eu 52.2 5/2 0.61340 3.92000 82.37 MHz
63 151Eu 47.8 5/2 1.38900 1.53000 186.51 MHz
64 157Gd 15.7 3/2 -0.22530 1.34000 30.25 MHz
64 155Gd 14.7 3/2 -0.17230 1.30000 23.14 MHz
65 159Tb 100 3/2 1.34200 1.34000 180.20 MHz
66 161Dy 18.9 5/2 -0.18900 2.47000 25.38 MHz
66 163Dy 25 5/2 0.26600 2.51000 35.72 MHz
67 165Ho 100 7/2 1.19200 2.73000 160.06 MHz
68 167Er 22.9 7/2 -0.16180 2.82700 21.73 MHz
69 169Tm 100 1/2 -0.46600 62.57 MHz
70 173Yb 16.1 5/2 -0.27195 2.80000 36.52 MHz
70 171Yb 14.3 1/2 0.98850 132.73 MHz
71 175Lu 37.4 7/2 0.63943 5.68000 85.86 MHz
72 179Hf 13.8 9/2 -0.14240 5.10000 19.12 MHz
73 181Ta 100 7/2 0.67729 3.44000 90.94 MHz
74 183W 14.4 1/2 0.23557 31.63 MHz
75 187Re 62.9 5/2 1.28780 2.22000 172.92 MHz
75 185Re 37.1 5/2 1.27480 2.33000 171.18 MHz
76 187Os 1.64 1/2 0.13110 17.60 MHz
76 189Os 16.1 3/2 0.48800 0.80000 65.53 MHz
77 191Ir 37.3 3/2 0.09700 0.78000 13.02 MHz
77 193Ir 62.7 3/2 0.10700 0.70000 14.37 MHz
78 195Pt 34 1/2 1.21900 163.68 MHz
79 197Au 100 3/2 0.09797 0.59400 13.15 MHz
80 201Hg 13.2 3/2 -0.37348 0.42000 50.15 MHz
80 199Hg 16.8 1/2 1.01177 135.86 MHz
81 205Tl 70.5 1/2 3.27540 439.81 MHz
81 203Tl 29.5 1/2 3.24451 435.66 MHz
82 207Pb 22.6 1/2 1.17480 157.75 MHz
82 177Hf 18.5 7/2 0.22670 4.50000 30.44 MHz
83 209Bi 100 9/2 0.93800 -0.46000 125.95 MHz
90 229Th 0 5/2 0.16000 4.40000 21.48 MHz
92 235U 0.72 7/2 -0.10000 4.30000 13.43 MHz

combatmaster
reply to post by daaskapital

 

Theres only one thing i dont get.

Assuming the plane did indeed sink in the ocean, this doesnt account for the report of family members calling passengers' mobile phones and hearing a ringtone!

any ideas? maybe the reports of these family members are not 100% accurate?

This was one of the first "anomilies" to be put before the ATS jury a few days after '370 went missing.The ring tone is generated by the exchange or what ever passes for telephone exchanges in the digital age,and not by the phone itself.So unless the exchange or network control centre knows definitely that a particular handset isn't in range of the last cell it was known to be in,it will still make the ring tone as it tries to find it,even if it's at the bottom of the ocean or just switched off.

I'll believe the plane went down there when I see it, but assuming they are on the right track, where was the pilot headed == Antarctica? !

reply to post by BobAthome


This is irrelevant as the FDRs and CVRs use ultrasonic transmissions and not radio waves. A frequency of 37.5khz doesn't imply that is it radio wave as most of the users here think. It is a sound generator as radio waves with such a frequency wouldn't penetrate water from a few km below surface. Sound waves travel much farther in a 'solid' substance like water.

So maybe drowned bats could produce these sounds but no radio source whatsoever

Given the fact that the search was like looking for a needle in a haystack, it's good to hear they have a solid lead. Now it should be a simple fact of sonar location and a submersible dive, right? Don't they have tech to image to ocean floor, once they know where to look?

My hunch is that Malaysia will try to claim anything found because they don't want anyone to know what happened. Malaysia already wouldn't release some information. I think the pilots were threatening to crash the plane If they didn't release a prisoner, forgot his name, but he was convicted of child molestation, word on the street and what they supposedly believed is that the guy was framed for political reasons and Malaysia refused so they crashed after running out of gas, that's just my theory.