Obamacare is working!

reply to post by HauntWok


Obamacare is Not working. The Pres likes to say 7 million people signed upbut that number is flawed, it's more like 3.5 million - see how they fudge the numbers - See here for details www.foxnews.com...

There are 320 Million people in the USA and 7 million (really 3.5 million) isn't even a drop in the bucket. Obamacare = Epic Fail.

HauntWok
But conservatives don't want it to work. And over the next two years they are going to bring out a SLEW of people who they are going to point at to tell you how awful this law is and how it's going to kill you, your family, and everyone you've ever cared about like the plague it is.

And what makes you think the left won't do the same thing except with success stories?

The thing you should take away from this is, that while it's not perfect, it's a helluva lot better than what we had before. And the proof is how much the right is freaking out over it.

Yes, being forced to buy over priced and unaffordable insurance is a better thing than having the option to not buy. /sarcasm

But why?

Because the more that it works, the more votes they are going to lose. So they want you to hate it, they want you to think that it's going to cost you everything you hold dear. That's their game, it's the only game they know, fear. They don't know reason, or using facts to gain the upper ground in an argument. They only have one play, fear.

It's funny you say this then at the end of your OP you play the textbook left tactic of calling dissenters racist and sexist. Irony much?

Of course people who can actually research for themselves, might find that while not perfect it's better than before, and it's a start on a direction that this country should be going in. And that my friends is death for a conservative, progression to a better United States.

How is it better than before? What's so great about having health INSURANCE? I want health CARE. Why do we need the former for the latter and why is it better for as many people as possible to have it?

Conservatives have to say goodbye to the 1950s, they are long gone. Never to return. Homosexuals are out of the closet, black people as we've found out are real people too. And being a nerd is a good thing!

Good ole race card. According to you, the conservatives have the fear card, but ya'll have the trusty race card. Too bad your card works better than their card does, that's why we have Obamacare in the first place.

So bear with it America, the #storm that is the Affordable Care Act is here, and Conservatives are on the warpath. Expect their glorious leaders over at FOX News to give them handy dandy unfact checked sound bytes to use on a daily basis as proof positive that hell is in fact on Earth, that America is completely doomed, and that Satan himself is in the white house!

Is this opposed to the obviously skewed polls and statistics that the White House releases?

Uninsured Rate Falls To Lowest Since 2008: Gallup

Coming a week after the close of the health care law's first enrollment season, Gallup's numbers suggest a more modest impact on coverage than statistics cited by the Obama administration.

The administration says more than 7 million have signed up for subsidized private plans through new insurance markets. Additionally, 3 million previously uninsured people gained coverage through the law's Medicaid expansion.

Millions more remain potentially eligible for marketplace coverage under various extensions issued by the administration. White House senior adviser Dan Pfeiffer said this weekend on CBS that 200,000 people who had started applications but weren't able to finish by the deadline got signed up later in the week.

However, the administration's numbers are not comparable with Gallup's.

The White House figure of 7 million-plus insurance exchange sign-ups includes insured people who switched their previous coverage, as well as people who have not paid their first month's premium, and who would therefore still be uninsured.

I'm sure you understand that many of the people who signed up on the exchanges were people who had previously lost their insurance and were getting it back. Not exactly a roaring success there.

But yes, it looks like you are right, sadly the ACA appears to be here to stay. Just one more tax sucking the life and livelihood out of the Middle Class while at the same time adding tons of money to our national debt all so we can line the pockets of major insurance company executives. YAY SUCCESS!

And people question whether there are paid administration operatives on ATS. Do you really need any more proof?

reply to post by guohua


The arguments been won. The entire civilized world has health care for all. Its America that is BEHIND!

And behind because of the racists and bigots in this country who hate the poor, minorities, woman, and anything other than rich mostly white men.

It's clear bigotry of some sort is behind the ugliness, lies, distortions, of the anti ACA people.

WHAT PHILOSOPHY IS BEHIND YOUR IDEAS?

Its not love, empathy, Intelligence, democracy, religion, nothing but selfishness, greed, bigotry, hatred, and lies.

Yea Obamacare is working alright it's working on destroying Americas working class.

Keep drinking the kool-aid.

Willtell
reply to post by guohua

 

The arguments been won. The entire civilized world has health care for all. Its America that is BEHIND!

And behind because of the racists and bigots in this country who hate the poor, minorities, woman, and anything other than rich mostly white men.

It's clear bigotry of some sort is behind the ugliness, lies, distortions, of the anti ACA people.

WHAT PHILOSOPHY IS BEHIND YOUR IDEAS?

Its not love, empathy, democracy, no religion, nothing but selfishness, bigotry, hatred, and lies.

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reply to post by guohua

 

The arguments been won. The entire civilized world has health care for all. Its America that is BEHIND!

And behind because of the racists and bigots in this country who hate the poor, minorities, woman, and anything other than rich mostly white men.

It's clear bigotry of some sort is behind the ugliness, lies, distortions, of the anti ACA people.

WHAT PHILOSOPHY IS BEHIND YOUR IDEAS?

Its not love, empathy, Intelligence, democracy, religion, nothing but selfishness, greed, bigotry, hatred, and lies.

edit on 9-4-2014 by Willtell because: (no reason given)

America is the only country left with a 2nd Amendment.
Get rid of that!
America is the only country left with a 1st Amendment.
Get rid of that!

Who gives a rats behind what the rest of the world is doing???????

I.
Don't.
Care.

Kangaruex4Ewe
I wonder why all the people that despise Obamacare are labelled in some sort of negative way?

People are entitled to dislike this farce for whatever reason they choose. The people who got their insurance plans cancelled because it didn't line up with what Obama thought it should be are entitled to hate it. The people who can not afford the premiums they are being forced to pay for are entitled to hate it. The people who are paying tons for their premium because some folks can't carry their weight (not from disability) are entitled to hate it. The people who were not allowed to keep their doctors and their plans are entitled to hate it. And the people who don't want the government monitoring their prostate exams and pap smears are entitled to hate it.

People who are aware of "The Slippery Slope" are also entitled to hate it.

The list could go on and on.

Good for those who only have to pay $20 a month for insurance. That result is far from being the norm.

I can hate Obamacare without hating Obama. I could also love Obamacare without loving Obama. The two are not mutually exclusive.

I think the norm is to hate Obamacare because you hate Obama.

And why would the government monitor pap smears and prostate exams?

I would like to know, I'm sure you'll tell me too

Willtell
reply to post by guohua

 

The arguments been won. The entire civilized world has health care for all. Its America that is BEHIND!

We didn't get health care for all with the ACA either. We got a mandate to buy a product that will pay for health care after a co-pay is made to them (of several thousand dollars) instead. The Democrats are just as behind as the Republicans. And NO this is not a step in the right direction. A step in the right direction would involve so way of getting rid of health insurance, not strengthening that market.

And behind because of the racists and bigots in this country who hate the poor, minorities, woman, and anything other than rich mostly white men.

AGAIN with the race card? Can't you guys come up with a better argument than that? I understand the ease of use of labeling the opposing party a negative term to marginalize their arguments. It has much use in politics. The 50's have communist, the Republicans a decade ago have terrorist and the Democrats have racist and soon to be sexist if Hillary runs for President again. But why grab at the low hanging fruit to begin with? All you are going to do is make the unintelligent mad and defensive and just make the intelligent and informed not want to argue with you. Yet you haven't PROVEN any of your points by doing this. In other words it is a huge fallacy. Drop it from your lexicon.

It's clear bigotry of some sort is behind the ugliness, lies, distortions, of the anti ACA people.

WHAT PHILOSOPHY IS BEHIND YOUR IDEAS?

Why should I tell you when you've already decided for me in the previous sentence?

Its not love, empathy, democracy, no religion, nothing but selfishness, bigotry, hatred, and lies.

Actually it certainly IS democratic, because the people who don't like it are voting their opinions. That is the very epitome of democracy. Democracy doesn't preclude health care. Sure it is nice to have it, but it certainly isn't undemocratic to not have health care. To be honest, the ACA is not democracy since it is forcing the population to buy a private product. That isn't democratic at all, that is just totalitarianism.

Of course it is quite obvious you aren't looking for a rational discussion, they don't exist in the political world. "You are either for us or against us, oh and ignore all the things I am doing that we are currently calling out the other guys for."

I'm wonder how much wailing and gnashing of teeth will happen if a the GOP take the White House and Congress in the upcoming elections and the ACA is repealed and revised?

I bet it will be EPIC!

Here is what happens in America when people don't understand the consequence of their ignorance and anti-human ideas

The perils of Florida’s refusal to expand Medicaid

Charlene Dill is one of an estimated 2,000 people who expected to face dire health issues due to lack of access to care

On March 21, Dill was supposed to bring her three children over to the South Orlando home of her best friend, Kathleen Voss Woolrich. The two had cultivated a close friendship since 2008; they shared all the resources that they had, from debit-card PINs to transportation to baby-sitting and house keys. They helped one another out, forming a safety net where there wasn’t one already. They “hustled,” as Woolrich describes it, picking up short-term work, going out to any event they could get free tickets to, living the high life on the low-down, cleaning houses for friends to afford tampons and shampoo. They were the working poor, and they existed in the shadows of the economic recovery that has yet to reach many average people.

So on March 21, when Dill never showed up with her three kids (who often came over to play with her 9-year-old daughter, Zahra), Woolrich was surprised she didn’t even get a phone call from Dill. She shot her a text message – something along the lines of “Thanks for ditching me, LOL” – not knowing what had actually happened. Dill, who was estranged from her husband and raising three children aged 3, 7 and 9 by herself, had picked up yet another odd job. She was selling vacuums on a commission basis for Rainbow Vacuums. On that day, in order to make enough money to survive, she made two last-minute appointments. At one of those appointments, in Kissimmee, she collapsed and died on a stranger’s floor.

Dill’s death was not unpredictable, nor was it unpreventable. She had a documented heart condition for which she took medication. But she also happened to be one of the people who fall within the gap created by the 2012 U.S. Supreme Court ruling that allowed states to opt out of Medicaid expansion, which was a key part of the Affordable Care Act’s intention to make health care available to everyone. In the ensuing two years, 23 states have refused to expand Medicaid, including Florida, which rejected $51 billion from the federal government over the period of a decade to overhaul its Medicaid program to include people like Dill and Woolrich – people who work, but do not make enough money to qualify for the Affordable Care Act’s subsidies. They, like many, are victims of a political war – one that puts the lives and health of up to 17,000 U.S. residents and 2,000 Floridians annually in jeopardy, all in the name of rebelling against President Barack Obama’s health care plan.

This is a tragic example of the reality that this issue affects real people and it is not merely a political battle of philosophies and abstract theories of governing

CBO (Congressional Budget Office) report out today says Obamacare cost at 2 Trillion dollars. Awesome!

Or as Jimmy Fallon put it

“The White House says it has surpassed its goal for people enrolled in Obamacare. It’s amazing what you can achieve when you make something mandatory and fine people if they don’t do it and then keep extending the deadline for months. It’s like a Cinderella story. It’s just a beautiful thing. You make everyone do it.”

Willtell
The arguments been won. The entire civilized world has health care for all. Its America that is BEHIND!

And we are still behind. Everybody else has health care, America has overpriced health insurance.

Willtell
WHAT PHILOSOPHY IS BEHIND YOUR IDEAS?

Freedom. Just freedom. Get rid of the mandate and you can keep the rest of Obamacare as far as I'm concerned. When you have to pay an insurance company for the privilege of being alive, you are a slave. The 1950's may be gone, but the 1850's are making a comeback.

reply to post by Willtell


Let's talk about the 6 million that lost their insurance when Obamacare was enacted.

Any sympathy for them?

Willtell
reply to post by guohua

 

The arguments been won. The entire civilized world has health care for all. Its America that is BEHIND!

And behind because of the racists and bigots in this country who hate the poor, minorities, woman, and anything other than rich mostly white men.

It's clear bigotry of some sort is behind the ugliness, lies, distortions, of the anti ACA people.

WHAT PHILOSOPHY IS BEHIND YOUR IDEAS?

Its not love, empathy, Intelligence, democracy, religion, nothing but selfishness, greed, bigotry, hatred, and lies.

edit on 9-4-2014 by Willtell because: (no reason given)

Yes this is the only argument the left can make. Anyone that doesn't agree is a cold-hearted racist and bigot. Meanwhile it's the left that is keeping the poor, poor and reliant on government handouts. Your programs have fostered generations of program babies of all colors. It's human nature to take the easy route and the libs have exploited this weakness to it's fullest.

Expat888
Its extortion by government and insurance companies

This.

This is the mass corportization of health care.

Uber-wealthy owners of the health industries and big insurance: "Hey, we need a way to increase profits. Get all our government cronies on the phone.
Government Cronies: "What's in it for us?"
Uber-wealthy: "we will continue to fund you and not have you die in some freak small plane accident. better make this look like it isn't a gift to the mega-corps - make sure that you have a fairly even split on it, so the american public thinks they have a choice"
Government Cronies: "ok, will do"
Uber-wealthy: "Let's make this law say that it's illegal for people not to buy our product!"
Government Cronies: "brilliant, you will reap unbelievable profits! but, it's unconstitutional"
Uber-wealthy: "don't worry about that. we own the supreme court too."

reply to post by Bilk22


All of your rhetoric, and that’s all it is, filled with labels and name calling doesn’t dispel the death of that young lady that is the direct hand of an inhuman policy by certain people in this country...

You are making something simple complex to justify selfishness….And your reasoning falls by the wayside.

Willtell
reply to post by Bilk22

 

All of your rhetoric, and that’s all it is, filled with labels and name calling doesn’t dispel the death of that young lady that is the direct hand of an inhuman policy by certain people in this country...

You are making something simple complex to justify selfishness….And your reasoning falls by the wayside.

Wait-a-minute!

So it is selfishness to resist being ordered/mandated to do something?
It is selfishness to resist being forced to pay into a system?

Bull-poop.

More progressive word potty!

Willtell
reply to post by Bilk22

 

All of your rhetoric, and that’s all it is, filled with labels and name calling doesn’t dispel the death of that young lady that is the direct hand of an inhuman policy by certain people in this country...

You are making something simple complex to justify selfishness….And your reasoning falls by the wayside.

Holy Smokes! Have you looked in a mirror anytime recently!?

That's literally the pot calling the kettle black!

Oops! That was racist, wasn't it?

TDawgRex
I'm wonder how much wailing and gnashing of teeth will happen if a the GOP take the White House and Congress in the upcoming elections and the ACA is repealed and revised?

I bet it will be EPIC!

You guys don't think very far.

If the GOP repeals ACA you know how high premiums will go???


The industry has just spent 4 years changing and upgrading their systems with the help of subsidies.

What do you think will happen when hundreds of billions of dollars of work needs to be reversed???

Now those costs will go STRAIGHT to the consumer. As the case is now the cost has been on the entire system.

Ready
Fire
Aim!