Obamacare is working!

reply to post by Gryphon66


Its reality. Read the ACA, specifically where the Secretary of Health has unprecedented and arbitrary powers.

HauntWok

I believe that the government has the constitutional duty to promote the general welfare of the nation, and part of that is through a universal health care plan, but I'm a shill, and a troll.

Should I give these people any leeway? Why? Why should I treat them any differently than they treat me? Do unto others as you would have them do unto you right? By their example that is what they want others to do unto them. So I guess I am justified by their example.

Yeah, I know. I got gangbanged with the "shill" sh## the other day. It's AMAZINGLY frustrating, I'll grant you.

But guess what, we're choosing to post and interact on a "conspiracy" website. Guess what most "conspiracies" assume? That the Guvment is up to no good! Guess what the average or standard politics of people who firmly believe that the Government is corrupt to the core and hiding things from the American people is going to look like, especially in this rancid fragmented media climate?

You guessed it.

SO, for those of us who still believe that Government has a legitimate function in our daily lives, who aren't, necessarily given to extremist thought, and who aren't, by nature, members of the new conservaterian-Fox News Glee Club ... guess what we're going to look like to them? Guess what primate "pack behavior" is going to do?

If you're going to post here, HW, you're going to have to get over it. They aren't going to "like you." They aren't going to suddenly read your well-written piece and say "AHHH, I *see* it now." Ain't gonna happen.

But, no, I disagree with you. Dishing out more of the same kind of irrational, illogical, non-factual empty rhetoric doesn't advance any cause any measure. My opinion only.

Best.

PS: ... and be sure to remind me of this when I go off on something or somebody, okay?

HauntWok
The absolute foaming at the mouth anger, contempt, and hate from the right over the ACA is great.

The absolute foaming at the mouth anger, contempt, and hate from the left toward those who can see the problems with Obamacare is frightening. Seriously dude ... look at the stats. Obamacare screwed everything up. It's worse now .. not better.

If YOU like YOUR Obamacare ... YOU can keep it.
But don't try to push it on the rest of us. We know better.

reply to post by FlyersFan


The rabid response is not only from the "left" ... and apparently there are millions who are happy with ACA.

Absolutist statements get us nowhere. C'mon. We were actually playing together nicely for a minute.

Let's look at this logically.

A government program that is mandated.
Billions in advertising spent to "sell" a mandated product.
It costs too much.
It doesn't provide comprehensive coverage.
There are penalties for not enrolling.

And people still won't do it.

Oh sure, there may be a few million that now get some form of Medicaid, sick people that jumped on the Obamacare bandwagon that had pre-existing conditions.

But nothing that is self-sustaining.

Obamacare is working. That is correct, actually.

It is working to get the US into a single-payer market.

It is working to bankrupt the insurance companies to a point where the government will have to bail them out.

It is working to insure that government has a part in our healthcare from this day forward.

It is working to debilitate our economy.

It is working to insure that RN's and doctors get on a standardized government payroll plan.

It is working to crush the concept of self-determination.

It is working to increase unemployment.

It is working to decrease workforce below 30 hours/week.

It is working in wealth redistribution so that everyone will be poor.

reply to post by beezzer


ObamaCare is working towards the goal for which it was intended. It is Not working for the American People, as poll after poll demonstrates. Denial of truth, reality and facts does not equal success.

Here's something from the mind of the right.

Let's say that you like raising ducks. You have really good mallards and the stock has been nurtured and cared for for years. You are satisfied with your ducks.

Then Obama says he's going to make ducks available for everyone, even those that don't own ducks. But, to be fair, you have to also have cows, chickens and a few pigs to go with it to cover everyone. On top of this you would also have to buy all these animals from the federal government exchange program. The cost will be enormous to you, but fair to everyone.

To that end, the federals set up a signup date and institute stiff penalties for refusing to buy their animals. You say that's not fair!

So, Obama says, "Look, if you like your duck, you can keep your duck." and "I you like your food store you can keep your food store."

But, then he puts you and the food store out of business through red tape regulations and so on so that the only thing left is government duck. That along with chickens, cows, and a few pigs. So then you are forced to give up the beautiful Cadillac ducks you had for some rather inferior and costly animals you never wanted to buy or keep.


If you on the left need this translated. Obamacare sucks. It is a form of indentured servitude which is against the 13th amendment to the US Constitution. It gansta. It's the federal mafia. Or should I just say it's tyranny.

reply to post by Fromabove


Bottom line is on the whole, the American People do not like to be told what to do by the Fed Government. They like it when the Fed Government does what We tell them to do. Always has been, and Always will be.

Gryphon66
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

The rabid response is not only from the "left" ... and apparently there are millions who are happy with ACA.

Absolutist statements get us nowhere. C'mon. We were actually playing together nicely for a minute.

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and that's all well and good.....if there are people who are finding it beneficial to them, that's wonderful...

but you can't deny(well, you could, but i'd think you an idiot) that the "individual mandate" is nothing more than the federal government voting itself the authority to help themselves to more of our money...

there was absolutely no need to make it a must buy...i think that's the bit that really sticks in a lot of people's craw...

reply to post by Fromabove


My predictions:

1 - HauntWok will call you a conservative, and accuse you of wanting poor people, old people, sick people, and children to die horrible painful deaths from starvation and exposure...because if you disagree with him, that's just the kind of guy/gal you are...

2 - At least one person will accuse you of being deluded ahd/or paranoid, and accuse you of fearmongering, and using "buzzwords"

3 - at some point today, you will eat something.

reply to post by rickynews


Yes is working for those that wanted the mandate or forced commerce, in that you are right, after all it was the insurance companies the one that added that part to the bill.

But the one part that is needed for the insurance to profit and the government to claim that they are saving money is the part that is going to fail badly that is when insurance companies do not collect the dues in time or anytime, one thing is to sign for a product and never pay for it.

Without that steady income the ACA will never work.

reply to post by HauntWok


So by your logic, if the dems screw up enough, causing the other side to get pissed off, then the dems are doing right? I cant begin to tell you how stupid you just made yourself look.

reply to post by marg6043


YUP! You Said It!!

But the one part that is needed for the insurance to profit and the government to claim that they are saving money is the part that is going to fail badly that is when insurance companies do not collect the dues in time or anytime, one thing is to sign for a product and never pay for it.

Without that steady income the ACA will never work.

It's already started and many people are filling the Pinch in their Budget and it's only going to get Worse!

A recent survey of 148 insurance brokers shows that ObamaCare is sending premiums rising at the fastest clip in decades.

"But at 12 percent, 11 percent increase on average across all the states -- that puts it at the upper end of any increase we've seen for decades."

That is the national average in a survey done by Morgan Stanley. But in some states, it found rates are soaring.

"There are specific states with exorbitant increases," says Gottlieb. "Delaware had 100 percent increase, Florida had a 37 percent increase, Pennsylvania 28 percent increase, California had a 53 percent increase in their premiums."

Rates vary widely, often depending on the state and how highly regulated it was to begin with. Analysts, however, say the main reasons for the higher costs are not medical inflation, but rather the requirements of ObamaCare itself.

Insurance companies will soon have to set rates for 2015, and analysts fear reported higher costs now will mean increases next year, as well.

"They're going to see an announcement that next year's premium's going to be 25 percent or maybe 50 percent higher than what they're now paying," says John Goodman of the National Center for Policy Analysis.

Insurance executives say the same thing. Marc Bertolini, CEO of Aetna, recently told an earning conference that he anticipates 2014 spikes of 20 to 50 percent, going as high as 100 percent in some markets.

Link

Yes, Yes, Obamacare is Working, Working to Destroy the American Middle-class.

ACA works for the following reason:

More people insured will reduce the risk for doctors, hospitals, and nurses.

Less uninsured people will visit the emergency room leaving the bill unpaid and racking up all kinds of debt for the healthcare facility.

This will transfer to lower costs over time.

Android616
ACA works for the following reason:

More people insured will reduce the risk for doctors, hospitals, and nurses.

Less uninsured people will visit the emergency room leaving the bill unpaid and racking up all kinds of debt for the healthcare facility.

This will transfer to lower costs over time.

You registered today to Post That Bunch Of B S.
Call your Supervisor over to your desk, you will need new Obama Material if you're going to play with this Crowd.

I have to believe you don't get out much and you haven't talk to a Real Person in months to believe your above statement.
No, they did get the young and healthy to signup in masses like they needed.
I know jobs are hard to come by, but,,,, come on, find something else to Support.

reply to post by guohua


That is the loophole that was left open by the insurance companies that help write the bill, it was never anything that said that insurance were going to be controlled, but rather the bill left that to the states as we know is laws in states to control the increases on insurance but as today it really have never been enforced and the insurance companies know this.

Then people will no get what they are paying for, higher insurance for less poor care and still those that do not qualify will be filling out the emergency rooms as usual, those that can be mandated and taxed will be paying for those that will default in premiums because they can not afford the monthly payments

That is why I predict that either the insurance will bankrupt or they will bankrupt the consumer.

reply to post by guohua


It is interesting to point out how the post always point to the same explanation, repeated over and over again like a mantra.

reply to post by HauntWok


The only provision(s) worth keeping in the ACA Law is (i) Insurance companies cannot deny coverage for preexisting conditions, and (ii) perhaps extending the ability for some young adults to remain on their parent's health insurance policy. The rest of the ACA needs to be repealed, and simply re-worked - but with bi-partisan consensus in the Congress and Administration this time - so as to reform the Healthcare Insurance industry in a way that best serves the American People. Most Americans (not all) would get behind and support this approach and a revised Health Insurance Coverage Law. However, the ACA Law, as it stands today, simply does not accomplish this objective, and does not have the support of the American People, and therefore, it is a failure indeed.

I don't have to worry about the ACA. I have what they call "federal VIP benefits." Perks for working for the government.

So, basically, I don't care if it works or not. At least not unless it affects me in some way. Horribly selfish, but I've grown tired of this argument.

reply to post by Echo3Foxtrot


So my husband as a retired Marine and also work for the government, sadly in another 5 years the government is already planning to dump the federal workers and vets into the government insurance exchange to suffer just like the rest of the productive working class in the nation.

Why? because you and my husband make the money that the government and insurance companies need in order to pay for their loses.