Obamacare is working!

Why does anyone need to forcibly enroll on a government site for health insurance?
Why can't you just contact any insurance company and get a quote?
I can do that for my car insurance and get whatever coverage I see fit, comp and collision or just collision, limited tort or not.
Why is Our government dictating this and telling us or policies don't meet their standards when they meet your own standard?

mugger
Why does anyone need to forcibly enroll on a government site for health insurance?
Why can't you just contact any insurance company and get a quote?
I can do that for my car insurance and get whatever coverage I see fit, comp and collision or just collision, limited tort or not.
Why is Our government dictating this and telling us or policies don't meet their standards when they meet your own standard?

common sense: you haz it.

SURE Obamacare is "working." It worked by extracting twice as much money from me for worse coverage. That's the reality of my situation. If it "works" for you because the government gives you money to subsidize your premium, good for you. Just realize the government doesn't have the money to give you, so it will all come crashing down sooner or later. Enjoy your welfare check while it lasts.

mugger
Why does anyone need to forcibly enroll on a government site for health insurance?
Why can't you just contact any insurance company and get a quote?
I can do that for my car insurance and get whatever coverage I see fit, comp and collision or just collision, limited tort or not.
Why is Our government dictating this and telling us or policies don't meet their standards when they meet your own standard?

Because we haven't went ham on their as#es yet.

I'm over my rebellious teen years but sometimes I think that's exactly where I need to be. At least I had a pair back then; and used them.

Can this really be counted as a positive thing?

When there is a penalty for deciding to exercise one's right of free choice, then can anything that comes from it be considered a "positive" improvement?

Is it not a bit backwards that people are being told to sign up or face a fine and then using the number of people who do not want to be fined as success for people signing up for health care?

Almost like giving someone a semi-auto 9mm and telling them if they do not play Russian Roulette that they are going to get shot, but if they do play then they have nothing to fear and will be rewarded with the gun only being loaded with 1 bullet.

It's one of those "WTF!?!?!?" moments...

Lostmymarbles
Can this really be counted as a positive thing?

When there is a penalty for deciding to exercise one's right of free choice, then can anything that comes from it be considered a "positive" improvement?

Is it not a bit backwards that people are being told to sign up or face a fine and then using the number of people who do not want to be fined as success for people signing up for health care?

Almost like giving someone a semi-auto 9mm and telling them if they do not play Russian Roulette that they are going to get shot, but if they do play then they have nothing to fear and will be rewarded with the gun only being loaded with 1 bullet.

It's one of those "WTF!?!?!?" moments...

that's the same point i made earlier...requiring people to buy something, at the economic equivalent of gunpoint, and then counting forced compliance as "success" is idiotic in the extreme.

it's like forcing a woman to let you rape them, by putting a blade to their throat, and then classifying the act as "consensual"

or classifying inmates as "voluntary detainees"

i wish more people understood this..

reply to post by Daedalus


We can't go with a single payer system in this country because that would destroy "job creators".

This country could easily afford a single payer system. It would be simpler, more direct, everyone just pays into the single payer system, everyone has insurance.

But the hard core right didn't want that, and the reason that they didn't want that was the people in the insurance industry was poised to lose a ton of money if that happened. And because the hard core right can't go against "job creators" You know, the people that make billions a year off of the suffering of others, we have this. This was a compromise between the hard line right and what this nation needs.

This is the compromise that the right won during the debate over healthcare in this country. During that time, the left had the votes to push through a single payer system without any input from the right wing. There was a democrat supermajority and a democrat president. There was no reason at all to even involve the right on this issue, but because democrats are notoriously spineless and unfortunately inclusive. This is the compromise that they came up with.

Had the left actually grown balls during their supermajority opportunity. We would have had a single payer system. It would have virtually crushed the healthcare insurance industry. Of course that would have cost a lot of people their jobs. Put a ton of people on the unemployment line.

But no, the left unfortunately thinks of others but themselves as a rule. and they thought of the insurance companies and the employees of those insurance companies and decided that they would allow the GOP to have their word in, and this is what we are left with.

Don't believe me that the right was offered a seat at the table?

www.c-span.org.../white-house-health-care-summit-part-1
www.c-span.org.../white-house-health-care-summit-part-2

So really, sorry guys, Obamacare really was a bipartisan effort. You wonder why there's no single payer option? Blame the Hard Core RIght wing for that. Because they had to protect their own "job creator" interests.

reply to post by HauntWok


to hell with the insurance industry.

and the whole left/right B.S. is just that; B.S.

there is no left, there is no right...there are good people, and bad people....and when it comes to washington, there are bastards, and bigger bastards.

reply to post by Daedalus

and the whole left/right B.S. is just that; B.S.

Actually that's a complete crock, I may not believe the same things you do. I might have the same ideals you do.

That's why there's a left and right.

I don't believe that we should go to war over stupid ideology. I don't believe that a woman's vagina is any place for government regulations. I don't believe that completely retarded people or the criminally insane should have access to firearms. I don't believe that the Declaration of independence is my personal licence to kill. I don't believe that every policy that I don't agree with is Treason under the United States Constitution. I don't believe that the country will go broke if we tax rich people or that if we do that then hell on earth will happen.

I don't believe that Obama is a Kenyan Nazi, Communist, Antichrist, Muslim, Evil Genius petting a white cat in a hollowed out volcano.

I don't believe that every single Spanish speaking person in this country is here illegally.

I don't believe that everyone should have a gun. i dont believe that if everyone had a gun this nation would be safer.

I do believe that people should be able to get married to the person they love regardless of their gender. I do believe that if a person thinks that they wouldn't be fit to be a parent that abortion should be an option. I do believe that Muslims can be just as patriotic Americans as Christians. I do believe that the constitution guarantees that everyone has the right to worship the god or gods they choose and if they choose not to believe in a god that's good too.

Yes there is a right and left in this country. People have different opinions than yourself. We aren't all the same.

reply to post by Daedalus


If the ACA was indeed to help those without insurance because of no been able to afford it and for those with pre existing conditions including the poor, everybody will have insurance indeed by now, but sadly the fraud of Obamacare is now very understandable for those that wants to see it for what it is, it never mean to be for the very poor like it was sold to the public.

I still can not understand how so many are blind to the hoax.

Sremmos80
So independent it is scary!!

Obama care is no where near better then what we had before.
The problem is still in the fact that services and medicatiosn are GROSSLY over priced.
That is the issue not that people don't have health insurance but if you don't have and an accident happens you are buried in bills for the rest of your life.
Obama didn't fix a thing, he just gave more money to the big pharm and big insurance

Very true. After Obamacare, I could no longer afford the same level of health insurance. To keep the same coverage would have cost double the premium. Obamacare is only good for the poor and those who with preexisting conditions.

I am all for universal, single payer and even completely socialized medicine. I hate Obamacare because it dealt with none of the more serious issues facing the system.

Can we freakin' stop with all the right/left name calling? You want to put a label on everyone to have a scapegoat anytime you need it. This whole right/left is bull# while all Americans are soon to be taking it up the ass with high premiums and deductibles, but let's miss the bigger picture here and point fingers at who's to blame for this mess instead of a solution to it as usual.

This thread is nothing but a red herring, and should be locked to prevent further distraction from real issues at hand. It's all a ruse to get people fired up about who to blame with each side taking fire using any information ammo they can muster up through news clips and fake statistics.

It's all a waste of time!

reply to post by marg6043


Two sons here!! They are kind of going nuts trying to figure out how they are gonna pay the penalty for not having it while still having the money for the rent food and all that! They're barely making it now!

reply to post by mugger


Yea...right. It is posts like this that make me seriously question the delusional mind of some liberals.

Even many Democrats, including the ones that are in office and have supported and voted for Obamacare, are Running Scared from their own vote and support for this flawed law..., and if they could could go back in time and cast their vote again, they would vote against it.

In truth, they are running against their own record, vote and support of Obamacare. Why ? Because they know what is coming...a serious route and defeat in this November's Mid-term elections.

For Evidence, follow this link for both a TIme Magazine article and videos: time.com...

reply to post by xuenchen


I believe those numbers are based on a nation with millions of uninsured and a unhealthy nation for the last 10 yrs.

You don't think that it is possible that the numbers will go down with a nation of healthy body and mind citizens?

reply to post by thesaneone


Well, pay the fine and go to the ER. A Common Logical Conclusion is a Force that moves all mankind. That is what I meant by force. Universal health care will come to our nation because it is the only logical conclusion.

reply to post by HauntWok


ObamaCare Cloud Hangs Over Democrats in 2014 Mid-term Elections this November.

Video link found here: video.foxnews.com...=show-clips

MOMof3
reply to post by xuenchen

 

I believe those numbers are based on a nation with millions of uninsured and a unhealthy nation for the last 10 yrs.

You don't think that it is possible that the numbers will go down with a nation of healthy body and mind citizens?

I don't think any insurance or lack of insurance influences the general health of 300,000,000 people. It would be a small factor if at all imo.

The likelihood of costs going up is higher than going down for at least 4 reasons: inflation and population increases, and theft and price corruption, and administrative costs (especially with the extra admin created by the ACA itself).

But there are other theories.

We still haven't determined how much to take out of paychecks to even get started.

reply to post by xuenchen


That is why I believe we will be forced to single payer, it is the only logical conclusion. We (my husband and I) started paying into Soc Sec in 1968 and now pay taxes on our soc sec, and $100 per month for medicare. The point, why can't every citizen, rich or poor, pay $100 per month, since you start paying into the system anyway when you go to work.

reply to post by MOMof3


Perhaps.

But I still need somebody to post up some actual tax deduction percentages.

It can't be that hard.

One of the biggest mistakes politicians make is putting the cart before the horse.

The people supporting single-payer need to show how it would be a financial success here in the U.S.

They take 1.45% from paychecks and employers match it for a total of 2.90%.

What would those be if all people were included and state medicaid was eliminated.

I'm giving enough hints, but nobody seems to be able to do the math.

The closest answer I got was from somebody who said he wasn't my accountant.

Great way to support.