Armed Fed Agents and Snipers in Nevada Battle with Local Rancher

originally posted by: Domo1
reply to post by Bakatono

 

Meaning that if anyone has any right to annex the land it is the State, not the Feds.

Source that it's illegal? No smartassery.

So if the local government said it was illegal would that be OK?

Yes, it is called State's Rights.

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: gariac

I think the proverbial "first shot" was by the BLM when they reduced the cattle permitting in 1993.

That's when Bundy became "Doctor NO".

He saw it all coming.

He did not want to be a sacrificial lamb.

The environmentalists demand "mitigation" for land damage.

Why can't they "mitigate" the human and business damage they cause ?

Look, the guy nuked himself. You are just spinning the story.

If he renewed the lease, then he would have had some legal rights and could pursue a lawsuit. But this idiot made himself totally irrelevant by removing himself from the legal system, and thus didn't have a leg to stand on, legally of course.

There is stupid, really stupid, and then Cliven Bundy.

a reply to: govmule

The fact is, the BLM priced fees so high out of 53 ranchers he is the only one left,

You claim there is only one rancher left leasing land from the BLM. Let me name two: Steve Medlin and Joe Falini.

a reply to: Bakatono

Yes, I am a communist. I take orders from the Kremlin. Or maybe Chairman Mao. I forget.



Thanks for the name calling.

originally posted by: gariac
a reply to: govmule

The fact is, the BLM priced fees so high out of 53 ranchers he is the only one left,

You claim there is only one rancher left leasing land from the BLM. Let me name two: Steve Medlin and Joe Falini.

Both of those guys are not in Clark County ?

Clark County is the issue.

a reply to: xuenchen

You didn't specify Clark County.

But get this: you know how you keep your ranch? You pay the grazing fees. Shockingly simple.

originally posted by: gariac
a reply to: xuenchen

You didn't specify Clark County.

But get this: you know how you keep your ranch? You pay the grazing fees. Shockingly simple.

Even if Bundy did pay, they were getting cancelled anyway.

You know that.

He knew it to at the time.

Why else would he not pay?

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: gariac
a reply to: xuenchen

You didn't specify Clark County.

But get this: you know how you keep your ranch? You pay the grazing fees. Shockingly simple.

Even if Bundy did pay, they were getting cancelled anyway.

You know that.

He knew it to at the time.

Why else would he not pay?

You pay so you can sue. No pay, no legal standing. Like I said, he nuked himself.

I used the "geolocator" to track down a grazing grant in Clark County. I don't see any easy way to get all the alotments, but there still is grazing in Clark County. Note that the BLM boundary does not correlate to Clark County boundary.

Hidden Valley is along route 93 north of I-15. It is past the power plant.

a reply to: gariac

Where is the Hidden Valley Allotment in relation to the Bunkerville Allotment?

and here's an interesting pdf from the BLM....

some BLM grazing decisions 2013

a reply to: xuenchen

On Google Earth, the Hidden Valley cellular site is located at N36 35 51.95 W114 54 46.38. Just to the east is an improvised firing range. Totally trashed. Seriously, you can't pay a little money and use a real range?

Most of those places in your document are well known. Mt. Stirling is north of Mt. Charleston. I don't think I ever paid attention to the county border in that area. I've hiked Mt. Stirling, though I don't recall if there was grazing or not.

Wheeler Wash is near Cold Creek. Cold Creek has burros and horses mostly, but I have seen cattle out that way.

I'm going to guess the Lower Mormon Mesa is that part of Mormon Mountain that is not WSA. Remember, you trash the desert, you risk getting the land declared WSA, and that eliminates motorized transport. This is why managing the land is the best plan. If the BLM thinks the land is trashed, they withdraw it for a while, and then once withdrawn, you risk the WSA designation. Just like gun nuts behaving like morons makes life difficult for responsible gun owners, cattle ranchers behaving badly gives the BLM the foot in the door to WSA the land.

So the ranchers took a buyout from the county. I can only assume Clark County did this to allow expansion within the urban area of the county. In land development, this is known as green belting:
Green Belt
The economic value of cattle ranching in Clark County has got to be insignificant compared to casinos and urban infrastructure (airports, hospitals, manufacturing, etc.). So preventing some land from ever being used commercially allows for the expansion of the city.

The only odd Clark County project I saw that makes zero sense is the Coyote Springs fiasco, located at n36 48 46.45 w114 56 17.02. I am told there is a portion of the project on Lincoln County that is zoned industrial. Good luck with that.

a reply to: xuenchen

Looking around the interwebs, I found your source on Cliven Bundy being the last rancher in Clark County. The source is Cliven Bundy. ;-) 'nuff said. If lightning bolts hit liars, Cliven would be extra crispy.

Just a short update.
Last Friday, a few Bundy family members and supporters filed criminal reports against the BLM at the Las Vegas police department. The complaints include " impersonating police officers, assault and threatening with deadly weapons".

The BLM's response was one sentence long:
"We welcome Mr. Bundy's new interest in the American legal system."

Too funny.
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