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Olivine
Since the Bundy clan seem to have such wide spread support, and they keep making claims that they have a legal right to graze the Gold Butte area, have any lawyers stepped up to take their case?
gariac
reply to post by rockflier
Hey, you want to control something, you start by owning it. You lease, then you are subject to the whims of the landlord. You want something by theft? Be prepared to deal with the law. None of this is very complicated.
The Bundy crime syndicate is using public land. That is my land. They need to get off my lawn.
govmule
gariac
reply to post by rockflier
Hey, you want to control something, you start by owning it. You lease, then you are subject to the whims of the landlord. You want something by theft? Be prepared to deal with the law. None of this is very complicated.
The Bundy crime syndicate is using public land. That is my land. They need to get off my lawn.
That is not your land, it belongs to all citizens of the United States including Bundy. They can have cattle eat on my portion of the lawn all they want...free of charge. Bundy creates jobs for people using that land, veterinarians, medications, feed, ranch supplies, truckers, fuel, slaughter houses, butchers, meat packaging, store employees and countless others.How much money does that land create otherwise? Oh I forgot, the Reid crime syndicate wants solar energy there instead, that makes it ok to throw him out of there, the heck with the other American jobs, lets give jobs to the Chinese.
gariac
I assure you the Bundy crime syndicate would not surrender the cattle to Nevada authorities. A bodily orifice by any other name is a bodily orifice.
Foe the good of the nation, the Bundy crime syndicate needs to be terminated by all means necessary. Now that we know the Bundy family is a posse of jack booted thugs with outside supporters, the feds need to disarm the outside forces. Create a perimeter and tear gas them if needed. We need to limit bodily harm to the actual Bundy family members.
The first, and most obvious broken law, was outright contempt of court. Courts on multiple levels said that Bundy was in direct violation of the law by not paying the grazing fees or removing his livestock from public land. The dispute goes back 20 years, when Bundy stopped paying, because courts must “exercise the least possible power to obtain the desired result.” Simply put, the government wants to resolve such matters as judicially as possible to ensure that incidents, like physical removal of cattle that could result in political extremists facing off government agents with guns, don’t happen.
Protesters who brought guns could be proven to have broken the law. Under federal law, it is illegal to “transport . . . any firearm . . . knowing or having reason to know or intending that the same will be used unlawfully in furtherance of a civil disorder.” Basically, if the federal government can prove that the crazed gunmen traveled with their weapons under the intent of furthering “civil disorder,” which is a violent act by a group of at least three people, that’s a felony charge.
How someone can equate stubbornness against a clear cut law with a battle for freedom is ludicrous. Bundy acted as if the government was going to destroy his home, take his property (which could happen if continues to not pay), or kidnap and interrogate his family. But that wasn’t the case. The were just removing cows.
gariac
govmule
gariac
reply to post by rockflier
Hey, you want to control something, you start by owning it. You lease, then you are subject to the whims of the landlord. You want something by theft? Be prepared to deal with the law. None of this is very complicated.
The Bundy crime syndicate is using public land. That is my land. They need to get off my lawn.
That is not your land, it belongs to all citizens of the United States including Bundy. They can have cattle eat on my portion of the lawn all they want...free of charge. Bundy creates jobs for people using that land, veterinarians, medications, feed, ranch supplies, truckers, fuel, slaughter houses, butchers, meat packaging, store employees and countless others.How much money does that land create otherwise? Oh I forgot, the Reid crime syndicate wants solar energy there instead, that makes it ok to throw him out of there, the heck with the other American jobs, lets give jobs to the Chinese.
As an American citizen, I believe we need to listen to the Gipper, who imposed the grazing fees on public land. The Bundy Crime Syndicate is squatting on my property. I want the law to evict these low life's.
I know you support welfare cheats, but I don't.
govmule
reply to post by gariac
If you care to bother, here is the most recent findings of the federal court;
upload.wikimedia.org...
In this finding, it IS CLEARLY stated that NO CATTLE are allowed in this area due to damage to the property for public use and enjoyment. It also mentions the endangered tortoise. It was indeed the intent of the government to remove all cattle, they were not removed for grazing fees, it doesn't even mention grazing fees or any amount of money. It mentioned damage to the land.
The court also stated Bundy had 45 days to remove them or the BLM could "impound" them. It did not state they could kill them or sell them, they did kill some and they tried to sell them but nobody wanted cattle rustled illegally by the BLM. The BLM also destroyed some of the improvements Bundy made to the land, the court order did not allow that either. It seems once again the Gestapo have over stepped their bounds.
On another note, the US government had three attorneys on the case, Bundy represented himself, I suppose the government knew he couldn't afford the fees so they thought he would just give up. That's how they operate, overspend your opponent, just like in an election.
It is CLEARLY obvious that after over 135 years of cattle on that land the government all of the sudden decided it was a vacation area for the public and not a cattle grazing area. I call BS, they want the land for some type of development.
edit on 16-4-2014 by govmule because: (no reason given)
gariac
govmule
reply to post by gariac
If you care to bother, here is the most recent findings of the federal court;
upload.wikimedia.org...
In this finding, it IS CLEARLY stated that NO CATTLE are allowed in this area due to damage to the property for public use and enjoyment. It also mentions the endangered tortoise. It was indeed the intent of the government to remove all cattle, they were not removed for grazing fees, it doesn't even mention grazing fees or any amount of money. It mentioned damage to the land.
The court also stated Bundy had 45 days to remove them or the BLM could "impound" them. It did not state they could kill them or sell them, they did kill some and they tried to sell them but nobody wanted cattle rustled illegally by the BLM. The BLM also destroyed some of the improvements Bundy made to the land, the court order did not allow that either. It seems once again the Gestapo have over stepped their bounds.
On another note, the US government had three attorneys on the case, Bundy represented himself, I suppose the government knew he couldn't afford the fees so they thought he would just give up. That's how they operate, overspend your opponent, just like in an election.
It is CLEARLY obvious that after over 135 years of cattle on that land the government all of the sudden decided it was a vacation area for the public and not a cattle grazing area. I call BS, they want the land for some type of development.
edit on 16-4-2014 by govmule because: (no reason given)
There is some land that could be grazed and some that can not, i.e. the cattle are into an Overton area.
But Bundy is a bigger arsehole than I thought. Seriously, he claimed cattle with his brand in the trespass area are not his. That reminds me of Austin Powers and his pen is pump. Powers denies that it is his, even when presented with a sale receipt in his name.
It would be ironic if the Bundy Crime Syndicate destroyed the habitat to the point where it is now only useful for a solar project. Land banks (land held for future appreciation) often run cattle on them to to prevent endangered species from taking hold.
govmule
gariac
govmule
reply to post by gariac
If you care to bother, here is the most recent findings of the federal court;
upload.wikimedia.org...
In this finding, it IS CLEARLY stated that NO CATTLE are allowed in this area due to damage to the property for public use and enjoyment. It also mentions the endangered tortoise. It was indeed the intent of the government to remove all cattle, they were not removed for grazing fees, it doesn't even mention grazing fees or any amount of money. It mentioned damage to the land.
The court also stated Bundy had 45 days to remove them or the BLM could "impound" them. It did not state they could kill them or sell them, they did kill some and they tried to sell them but nobody wanted cattle rustled illegally by the BLM. The BLM also destroyed some of the improvements Bundy made to the land, the court order did not allow that either. It seems once again the Gestapo have over stepped their bounds.
On another note, the US government had three attorneys on the case, Bundy represented himself, I suppose the government knew he couldn't afford the fees so they thought he would just give up. That's how they operate, overspend your opponent, just like in an election.
It is CLEARLY obvious that after over 135 years of cattle on that land the government all of the sudden decided it was a vacation area for the public and not a cattle grazing area. I call BS, they want the land for some type of development.
edit on 16-4-2014 by govmule because: (no reason given)
There is some land that could be grazed and some that can not, i.e. the cattle are into an Overton area.
But Bundy is a bigger arsehole than I thought. Seriously, he claimed cattle with his brand in the trespass area are not his. That reminds me of Austin Powers and his pen is pump. Powers denies that it is his, even when presented with a sale receipt in his name.
It would be ironic if the Bundy Crime Syndicate destroyed the habitat to the point where it is now only useful for a solar project. Land banks (land held for future appreciation) often run cattle on them to to prevent endangered species from taking hold.
So your contention is, you prefer that no cattle graze on BLM land anywhere? If that's what you actually want just say so. There is a reason that Bundy has not been arrested, that's because the federal government cannot do it without a case eventually going to the SCOTUS in which case the BLM would lose. Not to mention all the corruption that would be revealed so I doubt Reid really wants that, probably some republicans also. The BLM is walking a very fine legal line to remove Bundy's cattle by claiming jurisdiction under the New trespass laws, it is a weak case, Bundy only lost because he represented himself in court. Bundy has legal right to that land under "prescriptive easement" laws, check it out.
BLM: We are Worried Cliven Bundy Might Have Prescriptive Rights & He Might Use that Defense in Court
originally posted by: rockflier
Is it possible Bundy has prescriptive rights as previously posed?
BLM: We are Worried Cliven Bundy Might Have Prescriptive Rights & He Might Use that Defense in Court
BLM Worried
Can a prescriptive easement across government land be obtained?
No, it is not possible to obtain a prescriptive easement against land held by local, state and federal government. The courts have long held that “time does not run against the King.” See also Civil Code Section 1007.