How do we get rid of ObamaCare?

If a homeless man can get a physical..

...

Then the Nazi's win!

I put a detailed personal response a page or so back as to what happened BEFORE the ACA.

Again - if it is revoked, then what? Being angry at the ACA does nothing to answer the question "well, then what would you have us do?"

I will not go back to the days when insurance companies can automatically keep you off their roles. I will not go back to the days when my premium was more than my mortgage. I will not go back to the days when my son, who will need medical care the rest of his life, would have to choose poverty to stay alive. WE almost had to make that choice ourselves and medical expenses nearly destroyed my family.

Perhaps brilliant minds can come up with a better way to deal with the very real problems the ACA has worked to fix.

Something to consider:
If you are angry about having to purchase it, imagine needing insurance to survive and NOT being able to get it. Imagine being denied and the possibility that your life depended on having insurance. Or imagine not being able to leave a job you hate because they provide some insurance coverage. Or imagine consciously having to choose poverty to have health coverage in order to stay alive.

Going back to letting the insurance companies rule my life is not an option. How is that freedom? Simply abolishing the ACA is NOT a solution nor is it even close.

- AboveBoard

reply to post by beezzer

The Patriot Act was for our own safety.

Was so that the army could shoot brown people whenever they pleased and spy on Americans.

So was the TSA

The TSA is a FEAR BASED response to 911. It has no other purpose but to convey to Americans that airlines are safe.

The NSA is supposed to be looking out for our best interests.

This still all boils down to the Patriot act and is a gross exaggeration.

We can all see how these lovely programs started out. Nothing but the best intentions.

And wouldn't you know it, we waited 10 plus years before anybody starting talking about how crappy all the above programs you mentioned were.

The ink wasn't even dry on ACA and people were planning for Armageddon.

I find it strange that Americans put up less of a fight over war than healthcare.

~Tenth

ScientiaFortisDefendit
Even worse: Voting for someone simply because of their skin color or gender.

Well, perhaps.
If 2 candidates (Kang and Kodos) have exactly the same agenda, and those 2 are the only, only choice that will happen...then what is left to vote for?
Its all a show at that point..its American idol in suits
So to hell with it...shrug your shoulders, ask the rest of the world who they like best for our mascot, and go with it.

I would like to see Snooki become the next POTUS. I think its time our Orange Americans are given a high office

reply to post by AnteBellum


The IRS has wide latitude in the entire PPACA.

The "collection" of the penalty is clear however. It's actually in the law itself.

In the Federal Register it's outlined on how they can "collect" the fine and what they "can't do".

Although as we know, they could easily give you a major migraine if you "owe" them.

read page 19 on this § 1.5000A–5 Administration and procedure pdf/2013-21157.pdf


And as far as "getting rid" of the whole thing, the only way is IF Democrats get voted out and become a low minority in Congress.

Even then, all they can do is repeal and replace with something better (or less worse), or just eliminate the parts that are wack-o.

There was actually only a few selective problems to begin with. All they had to do was address one or two points at a time over 5 years.

Instead we see a massive boondoggle that has more delays and adjustments that probably are doing more harm than good right now.

I think it's easy enough, but it's all up to voters that might actually have candidates worth at least 2 cents.

AnteBellum
reply to post by Destinyone

 

I take it, you are aware, the IRS can place a lien on your home for not paying the fine...

There is a lot more at stake here, than a 1% fine.

Please give me a link Des.
If what you just wrote is true my irritation level has just been directed to all out destroy on sight, war!
If they start that BS they are going to have more problems then they think!

It is on page 248-249.

Source

Keep in mind it is all in legalize so that us serfs have to spend hours to find the actual meaning of the words.

But this is quite clear for those whom are aware of how the IRS operates!

Any penalty imposed by this section with respect to any month shall be included with a taxpayer’s return

Why involve the IRS?

Well if you don't want to see ObamaCare, stay healthy. No?

tothetenthpower


I find it strange that Americans put up less of a fight over war than healthcare.

~Tenth

Good point.

If we were mandated to go to war, perhaps it'd be more evident.

Hmmm

ObamaCare was designed to fail...

The Problem is the general public especially those on the Right are to inept to see this. It is the Problem, solution scenario again.

The Problem how do we get people to like Universal Health Care? First make it a failure by the Liberal party keep it going long enough to see people get frustrated and angry but limited by options.

Next election cycle the Right steps in and PRESTO a fixed system much like RomneyCare where the upper class benefits but the lower class is quelled! Whaaahooo! Way to go!

Wait did we really want this? Well it works for Europe so how do we pull those stubborn Americans in on it? See above...


All part of being in a Spectator Democracy!

SaturnFX
If a homeless man can get a physical..

...

Then the Nazi's win!

nothin like cold frozen balls on a park bench.
damn nazis win either way.

strawburry
Well if you don't want to see ObamaCare, stay healthy. No?

They will still charge you the fee if you are healthy, so no that will not solve the issue....
Do you understand how the ACA works?

Sremmos80

strawburry
Well if you don't want to see ObamaCare, stay healthy. No?

They will still charge you the fee if you are healthy, so no that will not solve the issue....
Do you understand how the ACA works?

That's what you all called a pre-emptive kinetic event.

It's so curious to me that people are more pissed at Obama for trying to get everyone healthcare than are pissed with corporations for slashing benefits, cutting hours for eligibility or simply outsourcing jobs overseas to increase their profit margins.

I'm not saying the ACA is the answer but it's damn sure not what's REALLY the problem in this country.

Thanks xuenchen and seeker1963 as I figured it's litered with legal speak, I will try to sift through it later, when I have more time.
(I'm juggling 2 kids home from school right now)

This is much worse then I thought when I started this thread only hours ago.
I don't want to come off as a nut but Obama is starting to look more and more like Tony Soprano with his IRS enforcers in place to order hits when the rest don't follow the leader.

I am a firm believer that you can not have a strong society without helping those that reside in it. But not at the barrel of a gun, not at the risk of losing your home or imprisonment.

Be right back,
Thanks. . . AB

kosmicjack
It's so curious to me that people are more pissed at Obama for trying to get everyone healthcare than are pissed with corporations for slashing benefits, cutting hours for eligibility or simply outsourcing jobs overseas to increase their profit margins.

I'm not saying the ACA is the answer but it's damn sure not what's REALLY the problem in this country.

Oh that's beautifully put.



~Tenth

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I have to say it quickly, gotta go, but I think the government and corporations are so tied to one another now it's almost like talking about the same thing!

Your avatar still scares me kosmicjack.

kosmicjack
It's so curious to me that people are more pissed at Obama for trying to get everyone healthcare than are pissed with corporations for slashing benefits, cutting hours for eligibility or simply outsourcing jobs overseas to increase their profit margins.

I'm not saying the ACA is the answer but it's damn sure not what's REALLY the problem in this country.

Did Obamacare cause the hours cut, the loss of jobs, the loss of benefits?

Or is this simply a result of evil greedy greed-heads who want everything?

reply to post by beezzer

Did Obamacare cause the hours cut, the loss of jobs, the loss of benefits?

Far too early to tell IMO.

It's certainly going to effect the market, but IMO the solution would have been more about legislating the open market to be fair and appropriately cost effective than what's transpired.

At the very least ACA needed a public option.

beezzer

tothetenthpower


I find it strange that Americans put up less of a fight over war than healthcare.

~Tenth

Good point.

If we were mandated to go to war, perhaps it'd be more evident.

(I don't remember getting to choose whether or not we went to war...???)

Is it better to have an insurance corporation mandate whether or not you can get coverage?
That is what used to happen. I happened to me (10 years automatic denial). The utter lack of "freedom" afforded to the individual in the previous healthcare "system" was obvious to those affected by it - is that what we should go back to?

Of course, the companies were "free" to make boatloads of money, and because they had/have boatloads of money, they were able to help shape policy and not become obsolete middle-men (thanks to our awesome money-is-speech politics). I would prefer they become obsolete, myself, but at least now they are forced to deal with the horrid concept of actually insuring *gasp* sick people!

- AboveBoard

reply to post by tothetenthpower


My hours got cut...
so yes it has.

I can no longer work more than 29 hours week starting next month due to the ACA.

My income has flat lined and I am expected to pay for insurance I do not need or want on top of that.

I got a loss of hours, and another bill....
(loss of hours only, as I refuse to sign up and be a part of the ACA now or at any point in the future)