How do we get rid of ObamaCare?

reply to post by Ahabstar

. . . large scale viking style loot and plunder of any and everything that has a net worth about 20 bucks.

reply to post by SaturnFX


Read it again. I said "Don't NOT vote".

AnteBellum
reply to post by Ahabstar

 

. . . large scale viking style loot and plunder of any and everything that has a net worth about 20 bucks.

I'm in. When do we start?

ScientiaFortisDefendit
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

Read it again. I said "Don't NOT vote".

Skimming, you got me!!!

But I still think there may actually be a point to simply not voting until we get our collective mind sorted out...sort of pointless until we know what it is we are voting for.

Zealots dont let you repeal "the law"

ScientiaFortisDefendit
1) Don't sign up for it.

2) Don't vote for democrats ever again, if you have.

3) Don't vote for establishment republicans who support obamacare or immigration reform.

4) Don't not vote. Not voting only allows voter fraud to be perpetrated more convincingly.

So what you are saying is to vote 3rd party and insure that the status quo remains the same. Clever stratagy!!!

If voting made any difference; it would be illegal!

This "mud pit" is fun! Can't wait to be called a "tulip walker" like in the old days.

btw...I have voted Libertarian and worked on Gov. Gary's election but I have no pie in the sky illusions that anything will change the corporate oligarchy that's firmly in place. Obama care is a prime example of just how powerful the insurance companies are. Follow the money why don't cha.

www.forbes.com...

What astonishes me; is why don't the Republicans love obamacare as it profits the corporate gods they worship anyway.

reply to post by AngryCymraeg

So, you want to take health insurance away from millions of people? The question is: what would you replace it with?

Maybe there should be a system in place that treats injuries differently than diseases. I'm sure there are some ramifications to this idea but if everyone was covered 'socially' for personal injury (gunshots, stabbing, falls, car accidents) and the rest being natural diseases and such (cancer, diabetes, alzheimer's) were in a different category.

I wonder if anybody who is opposed to Obamacare realizes that it takes time for these sorts of things to work themselves out.

I mean, not that I agree with it,but if it turns out to be a semi-good success like Canada's evil medicare empire, a lot of people going to eat dirt.

~Tenth

reply to post by Destinyone

I take it, you are aware, the IRS can place a lien on your home for not paying the fine...

There is a lot more at stake here, than a 1% fine.

Please give me a link Des.
If what you just wrote is true my irritation level has just been directed to all out destroy on sight, war!
If they start that BS they are going to have more problems then they think!

reply to post by SaturnFX


Good point, and I do think that most sheep vote based on very simplistic alignments to whether or not a candidate is for/against one or two hot-button issues. People need to understand the people they are voting for and what they REALLY stand for based on their record. Do the research and don't make decisions based on their campaign slogans or the sound bites they hammer you with during the campaign. People are stupid because they do just that.

Even worse: Voting for someone simply because of their skin color or gender.

tothetenthpower
I wonder if anybody who is opposed to Obamacare realizes that it takes time for these sorts of things to work themselves out.

I mean, not that I agree with it,but if it turns out to be a semi-good success like Canada's evil medicare empire, a lot of people going to eat dirt.

~Tenth

This is not Canada.

tothetenthpower
I wonder if anybody who is opposed to Obamacare realizes that it takes time for these sorts of things to work themselves out.

I mean, not that I agree with it,but if it turns out to be a semi-good success like Canada's evil medicare empire, a lot of people going to eat dirt.

~Tenth

People either want it or they dont tenth.
what can you do?

AnteBellum
reply to post by Destinyone

 

I take it, you are aware, the IRS can place a lien on your home for not paying the fine...

There is a lot more at stake here, than a 1% fine.

Please give me a link Des.
If what you just wrote is true my irritation level has just been directed to all out destroy on sight, war!
If they start that BS they are going to have more problems then they think!

They do that locally either way.

tothetenthpower
I wonder if anybody who is opposed to Obamacare realizes that it takes time for these sorts of things to work themselves out.

I mean, not that I agree with it,but if it turns out to be a semi-good success like Canada's evil medicare empire, a lot of people going to eat dirt.

~Tenth

If we (as Americans) are all forced to purchase insurance as directed by the authority in DC, it might lower costs.

If we (as Americans) are all forced to eat better, exercise, quit smoking, all of our health might improve.

If we (as Americans) are all forced to have body and cavity searches every 3 blocks, then there might be less crime.

If we (as Americans) are all forced to drive at 30 miles per hour, then we might have much fewer traffic accidents.

If we (as Americans) are all forced to submit to searches within our homes, then we might be safer.

Where do we draw the line, Tenth?

Where?

olaru12
Obama care is a prime example of just how powerful the insurance companies are. Follow the money why don't cha.

This!


The right have been screaming that Obama is some leftist/socialist/liberal. Nothing could be further from the truth.
He took a corporate package that heavily favors insurance companies and put a very thin wrapping on it of progress towards universal healthcare..which is not even remotely close to the truth.

Here is the problem though

The right wants to repeal it and put things back to the same (ultracrap) it was...hense they dislike obamacare
The left wants to repeal it and push things to a governmentcentric medicare type system for all. a proper universal healthcare..then simply raise taxes across the board to cover it, and voila..100% coverage, everyone healthy enough, and keeping people sick stops becoming profitable (well, except for the pharmaceutical industry which banks)

So where to go...half is demanding we run to the left, the other half demands we run to the right...(obviously I am a fan of running to the left as it makes more sense to me, but I digress).

This is sadly the bridge between the two paths..and so, everyone is dissatisfied.
Obamacare for all its flaws (and it is and endless supply) is actually the neutral safe bet..a nice corporate favoritism, taking no ideological stance outside of corporate influence.

reply to post by beezzer


Oh beezzer, you're so dramatic.



Healthcare in other countries hasn't led to people being any less 'free' or more oppressed by the their governments.

~Tenth

beezzer

tothetenthpower
I wonder if anybody who is opposed to Obamacare realizes that it takes time for these sorts of things to work themselves out.

I mean, not that I agree with it,but if it turns out to be a semi-good success like Canada's evil medicare empire, a lot of people going to eat dirt.

~Tenth

If we (as Americans) are all forced to purchase insurance as directed by the authority in DC, it might lower costs.

If we (as Americans) are all forced to eat better, exercise, quit smoking, all of our health might improve.

If we (as Americans) are all forced to have body and cavity searches every 3 blocks, then there might be less crime.

If we (as Americans) are all forced to drive at 30 miles per hour, then we might have much fewer traffic accidents.

If we (as Americans) are all forced to submit to searches within our homes, then we might be safer.

Where do we draw the line, Tenth?

Where?

I say we draw the line at gross exaggerations.

Forced to eat right? heh.

Nothing and I mean nothing is going to change the "for profit" system of healthcare entrenched in America. It's about the money and partisan politics has nothing to do with it. The people behind obama care are neocons, usually republican, conservative and firmly attached to the profit generating pharma industry, HMOs, and insurance.

The naive world view of ATS members is mindboggling.

When your ideology gets in the way of your common sense; you look retarded!!

tothetenthpower
reply to post by beezzer

 

Oh beezzer, you're so dramatic.

Healthcare in other countries hasn't led to people being any less 'free' or more oppressed by the their governments.

~Tenth

That might be a topic for a good debate.

The Patriot Act was for our own safety.
So was the TSA.
The NSA is supposed to be looking out for our best interests.


We can all see how these lovely programs started out. Nothing but the best intentions.




(And I have a headache, and it's my birthday soon. . . . so I get to be a little dramatic)

olaru12
Nothing and I mean nothing is going to change the "for profit" system of healthcare entrenched in America. It's about the money and partisan politics has nothing to do with it. The people behind obama care are neocons, usually republican, conservative and firmly attached to the profit generating pharma industry, HMOs, and insurance.

The naive world view of ATS members is mindboggling.

Its because who introduced it.

What I find more disturbing are liberals whom are trying to cheer on Obamacare.

Obamacare is simply Romneycare, which was a template for Newtcare of the 90s...this is most definitely a care hatched from corporate conservative think tanks that was all the rage back in the Clinton era to counter Hillarycare and the universal healthcare she wanted to implement.

Suddenly todays liberals are yesterdays neocons....how foolish.