Announcing The Return of The Political Mud-Pit on ATS!
As long-time members will know, we've been doing our best to "fight the good fight" of keeping political debate civil and on-point.
As even longer-term old-timers might remember, we once had an "anything goes" fight-club of sorts, called The Political Mud-Pit where everything
short of real-life threats and vulgarities was allowed.
You Have Changed
By "you," I refer to the rhetorical you, society in general -- especially in the United States. There is an irresistible urge, felt by many, to
inject intensely partisan politics into nearly any contemporary topic. A large number of you will certainly know my opinions about that, but my
personal ramblings are not for this thread.
ATS Will Try Changing With You
We've had several discussions amongst our staff about this issue, and most recently, the concern that if we continue to "crack-down" on partisan
trolling, baiting, and off-topic politics, ATS may turn into a veritable ghost town.
Late in his post-political life, one of my personal heroes, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, said the following in response to an interview question about the
increase of rancor in political debate: "What is not discussed, will not be advanced."
I don't recall the exact words of his elaboration,
but it was along the lines of; even if the leftist hates the conservative, and visa-versa, and it shows in the language of their debate, at least
there is a debate.
Mud-Pit Rules Are Now Active in the Political Mud-Pit Forum
So for those who strongly desire a tolerance of more intense political/partisan debate here on ATS, you may do so in the
Following a brief grace-period to ensure all members are aware of the new system, any political trolling, baiting, name-calling, or derailing of
threads by injecting politics into non-political topics in any other ATS forum, are subject to immediate posting bans, or worse.
Mud-Pit Rules and Guidelines
The rules and guidelines are simple, basically just two things to remember in addition to common-sense avoidance of vulgarities and personal
Don't throw mud outside
of the political mud pit forum.
If you go into the Political Mud-Pit forum, expect to get dirty.
Bam. Easy. Simple.
This… could… work…
That should cover it, but here are some common-sense explanations of how it all should work.
1) Don't throw mud outside of the political mud pit forums.
If you're wandering about ATS, and find a discussion that throttles your political angst, and really really want to start casting harsh aspersions in
the direction of one or more political ideologies:
YOU CAN CREATE A NEW THREAD:
Quote the post that inspired your ire, link to the non-mud-pit ATS thread, and start a new thread in the
forum, making certain not to call-out or otherwise throw mud at
any ATS member
in the original thread outside the Mud-Pit.
2) It's bad-form throw mud at someone who's not throwing mud.
Even in the Political Mud-Pit
forum, there will probably be someone attempting to make
a valid point who does so without rancor, name-calling, or other political mud.
Perhaps the topic and direction of discussion is different enough from other threads on ATS that they felt compelled to get involved.
If you can respond without throwing mud, everyone will think better of you… but there is no requirement to put down the mud when you respond.
3) Everything but vulgarities and threats are "tolerated."
We've come to accept that many feel the "political stakes" are so high, that intense debate is necessary, and very often name-calling, baiting, and
activity we've previously classified as "Political Trolling" are simply part of the process. Have at. But don't come running to us if someone
throws mud harder than you, or hides rocks in their pile of mud.
And to avoid further confusion; restricted topics such as personal drug use, hacking, etc. are still not allowed in the Mud-Pit. Politics only
4) For all members uninterested in the Mud-Pit
By now you must be a little frustrated with the sniping, trolling, and T&C side-stepping with name-calling in political threads throughout ATS. This
initiative is intended to serve two purposes:
1) Reduce the level of political rancor in all threads outside the Mud-Pit
2) Give those ATS members who are intensely political, a means to express their intensity.