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ZonedOut
reply to post by TheJourney
Yes I agree with that point of view!
In Summary ... existing is 'good' when compared with not existing ever [aka "Bad"]
However the mindset of that personality behind the universe is pretty childlike and it doesn't care about individual outcomes.
That personality is completely insane due to being TOTALLY ALONE!
At that level it is neither good or bad ... just amoral.
TheJourney
That the self-existent life made something so indicates its ultimate good, because non-good would not be willfully chosen.
Bleeeeep
TheJourney
That the self-existent life made something so indicates its ultimate good, because non-good would not be willfully chosen.
What do you mean by the above statement?
It doesn't seem like a single thought but two thoughts that was smushed together.
Bleeeeep
reply to post by smithjustinb
If there is a perfect awareness or an awareness who knows all concepts then everything becomes one concept to him.
You think night and day but what about dusk and dawn or what about the view from Mars?
Even from your point of focus (duality), there is not a good and a bad, but both, good and bad -- a duality which is a singular point of focus, so it is singular.
TheJourney
Bleeeeep
TheJourney
That the self-existent life made something so indicates its ultimate good, because non-good would not be willfully chosen.
What do you mean by the above statement?
It doesn't seem like a single thought but two thoughts that was smushed together.
All that exists is an expression of the one life and its will. Thus the very existence of something indicates its ultimate good, because 'it' wouldn't willfully create something not good for 'itself' to experience.edit on 4-4-2014 by TheJourney because: (no reason given)
smithjustinb
reply to post by TheJourney
How are concepts like, perfect vs. imperfect, and ultimate good, objectively real? How can they not be just another duality?
I know you tried explaining it already, but when I think about it, its just another dualistic concept. I believe the truth is that there is neither good nor evil, nor perfection, nor imperfection. In my opinion of ultimate reality, these things dont exist at all.
Ultimate reality, then, would have to be that which doesn't exist as anything in particular. It isn't even the seer, as the seer is in duality with the seen. So, there is no identity, as there is ultimately nothing true that can be identified with. There is only nothing in particular. This is my opinion of what reality is.
TheJourney
Non-duality in perhaps the most general sense is beyond good and bad, or any such duality. Yet there appears to be a differing form of non-duality, which could be seen as theistic non-duality.
smithjustinb
If this is true, then how come we experience or can experience "bad"?
TheJourney
All that exists is an expression of the one life and its will. Thus the very existence of something indicates its ultimate good, because 'it' wouldn't willfully create something not good for 'itself' to experience.