Women No Longer Care

reply to post by WhiteAlice

So yes, KyoZero, what you said above is obviously very true and I bet that you knew that you would get some responses just like you predicted when you wrote it. Well done. I just want to make sure that those who responded that way know that they fell right into your trap and proved you absolutely correct. Kudos, my friend.

Please, the guy is blaming other men for his supposed women trouble. It's not a trap, it's a load of BS, off course people are going to respond to it.

AthlonSavage
reply to post by researcher88

 

Why refer to female intellect......its same as Yours....... or r u idiot as well?, this inspires me to start, a thread.

Oh so your insinuating woman woman are stupid. Shame on you.

Damn. I am fighting for the rights of all, are you going to zap me, as I as said. I love women and their intellect. please help me and your kind to do justice 4 u all, Do i really need this sh.. I love women i'm attacked by them, no matter what. Please read what this is all about.

reply to post by greyer


Aw man, there are still women out there like me! You just have to hunt for them. I take care of my body and appearance and take care of my husband too. I have no ambitions. WE have ambitions.

Sometimes people in real life ask me how is it that my marriage is so great, that I have a nice home, etc. I tell them I take care in my appearance and my home. It's not just weight. Even if you were cursed with bad eyebrows, maintain them as best you can...bad nails, keep em clean and filed at the least, not much of wardrobe, clean it, accessorize differently...hair up, wear same suit next week, hair down. Don't have much for your home? Keep everything cleaned and maintained, even if it doesn't amount to much. My house isn't even big or particularly nice. It's small but clean and happy. People are still jealous, but don't listen to the answers I give.

Instead, they laugh. I say, ask your husband about his job when you see him at the end of the day. Do your hair up before he comes home, or if he is first, primp yourself in your car or immediately when you get home...they just laugh. But they still ask. I tell them answers, they don't get it. They don't see why it matters to communicate with their spouse. To maintain themselves, their living space, their relationship. They sit and wait for things to magically happen to them. IT TAKES WORK LADIES! You want to be treated like a lady, ACT. LIKE. A. LADY.

I sympathize with you OP. My bro is having a terrible time with women right now too. Apologies, I sort of went off on your thread here.

reply to post by FancyName


big yawn

I mean really there is no point whatsoever to continue to respond to you. So I suppose I will just quickly say...yes I am married...no I am not trying to look good to other, I truly feel this way...blah blah and a bunch of other stuff you won't believe anyway

have a lovely day

reply to post by WhiteAlice


I wouldn't worry much about it. We're surrounded by these posters who apparently know our internal motivations better than we know them

And don't forget I am just doing this so I can get in your pants White...so yeah if you aren't busy later -wink-

-rolls eyes-

I mean if they are more comfortable in their aggressive behavior and misogynistic manner then so be it.

oh well. It has been lovely all. Have a fine day

You guys can go ahead and have the last word if you desire

FancyName
reply to post by WhiteAlice

 

Yet you are here claiming you want to "befriend" him. Friend zone.

Seems my comment was completely accurate.

Any guy is going to get friend zoned by me as I am very happily engaged to the love of my life, who, btw, holds the same opinions on women and men as KyoZero does. He never claimed that he was doing it to "score with women". You were the one that said that. My offer was of friendship. Women and men can be friends, you know.

I don't think I said anything that indicates that I think such a thing. I don't, and I am not.

Inference based on your previous statements in regards to your person. You said these two things relating to "kitty repellent" and your attractiveness towards women:

Dude you may think that you are saying stuff that women want to hear but it's pure kitty repellant.

Did you get any with this philosophy lately?

You're declaring his attitudes that people are to be measured in terms of equality based on their being people and not on their gender is somehow kitty repellent. You're also implying that your own philosophy, which is borderline misogynist, is the way to go. That is common with men who think they are "God's gift". Toss in this:

As a man I get "ogled" and hit on by women all the time. Even when they are in a relationship already. Hell even when their boyfriend is right there. True story.

And you're stating that women ogle you regardless of whether they are in the presence of their significant other or not. Are you sure about that? I will say one thing, getting ogled due to being physically attractive does not equate to being liked as a human being. Can't count how many times some guy developed a crush on me because of how I looked only to turn tail because he found out I was wicked smart.

Thanks for sharing, was I hitting on you?

No, thank god. I'd much rather be seen as a repugnant human being in your eyes. However, I made those statements in response to your "kitty repellent" remark as a comparison between how I view both you and KyoZero to basically blow your little philosophy.

Whatever you say dear. No need to be foaming at the lips, is there?

You have really no idea what goes through my head when I read the crap that you say, do you?

So is naa na boo boo stick your head in doo doo.

Correct. More utterances from you that are both stupid and juvenile.

reply to post by KyoZero


Totally. Really, they're so good that they should get together and make their own psychic hotline. It's times like this where the old adage "You can't fix stupid" comes to mind.

PS. I knew it, you cad!! lol You made my fiance chuckle with that remark. Have a good one.

KyoZero
reply to post by FancyName

 

big yawn

I mean really there is no point whatsoever to continue to respond to you. So I suppose I will just quickly say...yes I am married...no I am not trying to look good to other, I truly feel this way...blah blah and a bunch of other stuff you won't believe anyway

have a lovely day

Way to sidestep the obvious issue.

You know what really pisses me off? That I have to prove myself as someone who supports feminist ideals and equality because I am a male. Now I know at first glance this looks like a slight on women but it's more a slight on men. I have to constantly prove to others that I truly care about gender equality because centuries and scores of guys have ruined it for others by making all of our sex out to be rabid, sex-crazed and "deserving"

I ask you again, if you are married, who are those "others" you allegedly have to prove yourself to?

reply to post by FancyName


He has already clearly stated that he is saying his piece on this subject not to please women or score with them but because it is right. When one perceives an injustice occurring, one has two options: 1. defend or 2. ignore. He chose #1 and I respect him for that because going against the grain is not always easy.

reply to post by WhiteAlice


I see you took nearly all of my comments out of context.....figures.

Any guy is going to get friend zoned by me as I am very happily engaged to the love of my life, who, btw, holds the same opinions on women and men as KyoZero does. He never claimed that he was doing it to "score with women". You were the one that said that. My offer was of friendship. Women and men can be friends, you know.

Yes you offered him friendship because he was drivling the stuff you want to hear from a friend. Ask yourself why is this guy going on about how good he is to women if he is married?

You're declaring his attitudes that people are to be measured in terms of equality based on their being people and not on their gender is somehow kitty repellent.

He presents himself as some sort of womanizer, but the mushy, sucking up stuff is not a sexual turn on for women, not in my experience.

You're also implying that your own philosophy, which is borderline misogynist, is the way to go. That is common with men who think they are "God's gift". Toss in this:

All I said is that I don't care if women hit on me. I don't. Seems perfectly natural to feel that way.

And you're stating that women ogle you regardless of whether they are in the presence of their significant other or not. Are you sure about that? I will say one thing, getting ogled due to being physically attractive does not equate to being liked as a human being.

I never said it does. I still don't feel bothered by attention from women. Strange huh?

Can't count how many times some guy developed a crush on me because of how I looked only to turn tail because he found out I was wicked smart.

I bet you are an attractive woman indeed.

No, thank god. I'd much rather be seen as a repugnant human being in your eyes.

Ok.

You have really no idea what goes through my head when I read the crap that you say, do you?

No, that's why I said "foaming at the lips".

Correct. More utterances from you that are both stupid and juvenile.

Ha-haa!

reply to post by FancyName


Through your narrow perspective, I could see how you could ignore KyoZero's actual statements as to his viewpoints and why he is here. It has nothing to do with what is actually motivating KyoZero--a sense of justice for what he sees as clear imbalances and disgust for those proponents of those viewpoints. I do the same thing all the time for others that I do not know. If I see someone getting bullied online, I step in the line of fire in defense of the victim. I don't do it out of any sexual intent. I do it because it is right. Not every action on this planet has to do with sex drives. Altruism without expected reward does exist. I know that must be a mind blowing concept for you but, breathe easy, I'm sure the moment will pass.

In regards to the rest of your commentary, I have this to say: The way that we each, as individuals, respond to attention are based on the accumulated effect of life experience. In a prior response, you had this to say:

I am sorry to hear that, but I have to say that that fact doesn't exactly make you an unbiased judge on male attention, nor is it the innocent male's fault that you feel threatened by such attention.

I'd wholeheartedly agree if it were just a couple of negative events. However, it has been the course of my life since reaching any sort of womanhood that leads me to feel the way I do--not a couple errant events. I was just 13 when I had a neighbor leaving me roses and hate letters in my mailbox and who'd prowl around my house. He used to sometimes ring my doorbell and bolt when my parents weren't home and I was so perturbed and scared that I took to answering the door while wielding a knife. You have no idea how vile and creepy men can behave. I've been unfortunate in that regard as I've been repeatedly been referred to as a light to all the psycho moths around me. It's a logical assessment due to more than 25 years of negative experience with a whole lot of creeps. When I once expressed frustration and declared myself paranoid, a close male friend of mine said that it wasn't paranoia when you know that the danger could exist.

Now you could say that that makes me a biased judge of male attention. I'd agree if it weren't for a couple significant issues. First of all, I have the same guarded response to similar attention from females. Yep, that's right--I get nervous if a woman is paying too much attention to me and that has happened as well. My guardedness has little to do with gender. Secondly, whereas I prefer to not be noted at all in terms of appearance, it is not simple phobia of all men. I can make a distinction between a guy looking at me with interest and a total psychopath looking at me with interest. The first one just provokes irritation and the second provokes my PTSD/threat response. I know nuts when I see it these days. My irritation for the former is based on it being unwanted and having a history of having men who I thought were my friends break that and then dropping me like a hot rock as a friend. That's really not very complementary when you think about it as it basically equates to the value of my friendship being meaningless without the hope of eventual romance. How is that a good thing? That said, I do have plenty of male friends who value my friendship wholeheartedly. Love every single one of them for that and no, they're not trying to get in my pants as they tell me about their crushes and love interests all the time. They are friends.

Biased judge? Not entirely. Jaded and cynical from experience but not entirely biased as I can actually discern between the different forms of male and female attention. Women can be pretty creepy, too, if they are aggressive and unstable seeming enough.

If the attention is coming from someone who I am attracted to, then it's pure awesome as in the case of my fiance. Happiest day of my life when he reciprocated my feelings. That's pretty much a normal thing regardless of gender, is it not?

reply to post by WhiteAlice

Through your narrow perspective, I could see how you could ignore KyoZero's actual statements as to his viewpoints and why he is here. It has nothing to do with what is actually motivating KyoZero--a sense of justice for what he sees as clear imbalances and disgust for those proponents of those viewpoints

Let me ask you a simple question. Would you want your man going round bragging about how well he treats women, and about equality, and constantly proving this to other women when all he needs to do is treat his partner well, which goes without saying( and mushy drivel)

I mean, wtf?

If I see someone getting bullied online, I step in the line of fire in defense of the victim. I don't do it out of any sexual intent. I do it because it is right.

I would just like to know what "doing the right thing" consists of in his case when he is a married man, why is he talking about being a gentleman to women and constantly proving it to other women?

Not every action on this planet has to do with sex drives. Altruism without expected reward does exist. I know that must be a mind blowing concept for you but, breathe easy, I'm sure the moment will pass.

Again with the arrogance. I haven't really said anything that would allow you to conclude that I don't respect women or that I am all about sex.

......

I'd wholeheartedly agree if it were just a couple of negative events. However, it has been the course of my life since reaching any sort of womanhood that leads me to feel the way I do--not a couple errant events. I was just 13 when I had a neighbor leaving me roses and hate letters in my mailbox and who'd prowl around my house. He used to sometimes ring my doorbell and bolt when my parents weren't home and I was so perturbed and scared that I took to answering the door while wielding a knife. You have no idea how vile and creepy men can behave. I've been unfortunate in that regard as I've been repeatedly been referred to as a light to all the psycho moths around me. It's a logical assessment due to more than 25 years of negative experience with a whole lot of creeps. When I once expressed frustration and declared myself paranoid, a close male friend of mine said that it wasn't paranoia when you know that the danger could exist. Now you could say that that makes me a biased judge of male attention. I'd agree if it weren't for a couple significant issues. First of all, I have the same guarded response to similar attention from females. Yep, that's right--I get nervous if a woman is paying too much attention to me and that has happened as well. My guardedness has little to do with gender. Secondly, whereas I prefer to not be noted at all in terms of appearance, it is not simple phobia of all men. I can make a distinction between a guy looking at me with interest and a total psychopath looking at me with interest. The first one just provokes irritation and the second provokes my PTSD/threat response. I know nuts when I see it these days. My irritation for the former is based on it being unwanted and having a history of having men who I thought were my friends break that and then dropping me like a hot rock as a friend. That's really not very complementary when you think about it as it basically equates to the value of my friendship being meaningless without the hope of eventual romance. How is that a good thing? That said, I do have plenty of male friends who value my friendship wholeheartedly. Love every single one of them for that and no, they're not trying to get in my pants as they tell me about their crushes and love interests all the time. They are friends. Biased judge? Not entirely. Jaded and cynical from experience but not entirely biased as I can actually discern between the different forms of male and female attention. Women can be pretty creepy, too, if they are aggressive and unstable seeming enough. If the attention is coming from someone who I am attracted to, then it's pure awesome as in the case of my fiance. Happiest day of my life when he reciprocated my feelings. That's pretty much a normal thing regardless of gender, is it not?

I feel like I'm really getting to know you.

Let's braid each other's hair and have a pillow fight.

Ameilia
reply to post by greyer

 

Aw man, there are still women out there like me! You just have to hunt for them. I take care of my body and appearance and take care of my husband too. I have no ambitions. WE have ambitions.

Sometimes people in real life ask me how is it that my marriage is so great, that I have a nice home, etc. I tell them I take care in my appearance and my home. It's not just weight. Even if you were cursed with bad eyebrows, maintain them as best you can...bad nails, keep em clean and filed at the least, not much of wardrobe, clean it, accessorize differently...hair up, wear same suit next week, hair down. Don't have much for your home? Keep everything cleaned and maintained, even if it doesn't amount to much. My house isn't even big or particularly nice. It's small but clean and happy. People are still jealous, but don't listen to the answers I give.

Instead, they laugh. I say, ask your husband about his job when you see him at the end of the day. Do your hair up before he comes home, or if he is first, primp yourself in your car or immediately when you get home...they just laugh. But they still ask. I tell them answers, they don't get it. They don't see why it matters to communicate with their spouse. To maintain themselves, their living space, their relationship. They sit and wait for things to magically happen to them. IT TAKES WORK LADIES! You want to be treated like a lady, ACT. LIKE. A. LADY.

I sympathize with you OP. My bro is having a terrible time with women right now too. Apologies, I sort of went off on your thread here.

I think we are totally drifting from the main subject, but thanks for this post, and yeah I'm also happy and content within my current relationship of 17 years...we never got married, and continue to be happy and loving toward each other till today.
We both were persecuted by our families for the decision we took to keep it out of church.
And funny enough, the ones (brothers, sisters and many friends) from my era, that persecuted us for not doing the "right thing" are all divorced today, but one couple, my sister and her man (married) continue to love and respect each other.

What do we learn here,
1)Couples that get divorced tend to go into a fighting frenzy after the divorce making themselves miserable and a lot poorer.
2)The union of a couple that respect themselves, leads to wealth generated and a sense of happiness.
3)We don't need the church to be happy.

cheers

reply to post by WhiteAlice

My irritation for the former is based on it being unwanted and having a history of having men who I thought were my friends break that and then dropping me like a hot rock as a friend. That's really not very complementary when you think about it as it basically equates to the value of my friendship being meaningless without the hope of eventual romance. How is that a good thing?

When they finally realized they were in the friendzone forever it just wasn't productive anymore. How are they going to combine having to deal with maintaining a relationship with a woman that actually does give them sex, and the other woman who is in need of a meaningfull relation with a supposed platonic male friend.

That said, I do have plenty of male friends who value my friendship wholeheartedly. Love every single one of them for that and no, they're not trying to get in my pants as they tell me about their crushes and love interests all the time. They are friends.

You can still learn a thing or two about men. Ultimately, if you are not horrid looking, we are trying to get in your pants, on a subconscious level anyway.

Who knows for how long you have been sending men mixed messages.

Think about it.

reply to post by FancyName


Here's the thing--KyoZero wasn't "bragging" about any of those things. He was sharing his opinion on the subject of women and inequality. That's not bragging. That's called participating in a discussion on a forum and sharing one's opinion on a particular subject. That's speaking up to be heard as well and as a dissenting voice against some of the opinions shared by other men on this thread. Again, that's not bragging. My fiance absolutely shares my opinion on these subjects and, as we are both gamers, will defend another female gamer from sexual harassment online. In your mind and interpretation, you'd take that as him trying to impress another woman to get in her pants and you'd be wrong. He knows how I feel about it and also knows what happened to me once where there wasn't a single soul that spoke up. He does it because of me, because he knows how I felt when I was in similar situations. He does it because he knows that, if I were there, I would defend the woman myself. Therefore, he will defend women being verbally abused for two reasons--one, he loves and respects me and my ideals and two, because it is right and he shares those ideals. I think that's awesome.

Maybe though, defending other women online isn't enough for you. My fiance came home one evening to tell me about how he was in a parking lot and there was a man who was apparently upset that a woman had parked her car too close to his and had taken to screaming and pounding on her window violently to indicate his displeasure. Not a soul in the parking lot bothered to intervene though the woman was understandably terrified in that situation. They just stared and walked away. My fiance intervened. Now in your interpretation, he'd be clearly trying to impress this woman but guess what--she was an older woman in her 50's. When he told me what happened, I didn't ask him if the woman was attractive or young. Those facts were irrelevant to the situation. She could've been a gorgeous 20 something and I would've still wanted him to intervene. Instead, I told him how much I loved him and how glad I was that he was there for her. Why? If he didn't do these things, well, quite frankly I wouldn't want to be with him because it takes one hell of an apathetic and unsympathetic coward to just stand by when injustice or abuse is occurring.

I think that the real problem with KyoZero or any other man's actions where they will argue a position of defending a woman's rights or equality for you has nothing to do with what they are doing as being wrong. I think you just cannot afford to consider that your own position and attitudes may actually be in the wrong. You don't want to imagine that there are men out there that do the right thing simply because it is right. You'd rather drag them down into the mud with you.

I don't do pillow fights or hair braiding. That's just not my thing but it sure tells me a lot about you that you are, once again, relying on stereotypical behaviors in your responses. I bet you think I live in a shopping mall, too, and own 500 pairs of shoes as well. Just a fyi, I was raised by a colonel in the USAF. Sure, I took ballet but he was also grooming me for the military, too.

FancyName
reply to post by WhiteAlice

 

When they finally realized they were in the friendzone forever it just wasn't productive anymore. How are they going to combine having to deal with maintaining a relationship with a woman that actually does give them sex, and the other woman who is in need of a meaningfull relation with a supposed platonic male friend.

I think it becomes a really sticky issue when one does like another person because being friendly would be a bit of a requirement in the pursuit of a more intimate relationship with that person. Continuing any friendship with many of these individuals in my experience was simply not going to happen as their behaviors frequently became unstable. For instance, one stole my spare apartment key, copied it and was entering my home while I was at work. Another was a cartoonist who ran a strip in his college's paper where I was a character within it. After I rejected his advances, he sent me a letter which included his next strip to be published where the character modeled after me was murdered by a bunny with a machine gun. Kind of funny but kind of demented at the same time. That's all when I was younger though. I've learned to really pick up on those subtle clues about when a guy is mental or not as I've grown older over the years. Not every guy did this kind of thing and I do have a few friends who chose to remain friends despite rejection. Good guys.

You can still learn a thing or two about men. Ultimately, if you are not horrid looking, we are trying to get in your pants, on a subconscious level anyway.

Not every guy thinks like this. Sorry, bud, but it's not an unified thing like you present. Under your presumption, if applied to women, you'd also say that women have friendships with men for the same reason. On the contrary, I'm not sexually attracted to any of my male friends though I doubt you'll even believe that or declare that it's somehow subconscious. The problem with saying that it's the latter would be rather impossible to not note as being sexually attracted to a person prompts bodily reactions. There is some level of attraction even between friends but it's not necessarily associated with sexual attraction. One can be attracted to an individual's personality or intellect without it having anything to do with what is in anybody's pants. I have plenty of male friends who not only love who I am for the sake of who I am and vice versa. However, they also love the fact of my relationship with my fiance and tend to view him and I as the ideal couple. In the few times my fiance and I have gotten into a fight, they'll defend him and don't pursue it as an open opportunity to make a move. Instead, they'll active work as mediators to bring us back together. Great guys that negate your point of view.

Who knows for how long you have been sending men mixed messages.

That almost borders on victim blaming. I don't give out mixed messages. How somebody feels is subject to the interpretation of the viewer and can be rife with misinterpretation. In my case, it's pretty darn apparent that I absolutely adore my fiance. Before him, I was known for having a bit of a ruthless sense of humor that made any guy trying to flirt with me laugh and half regret the attempt. My nickname was "the Ice Queen".

Think about it.

I already know myself quite well, thank you very much. I've been assessing you the entire time in this conversation. I know that I'm not going to change your mind as you will cling very doggedly to your specific brand of ideology and, based on my assessment of you so far, you're not going to make a dent in my mind. Don't kid yourself in that regard. These exchanges with you are not for that purpose.

reply to post by WhiteAlice


Jeez, I just wonder if your fiancee is as good at listening as I am.

I know more about you than the last girl I ******, and I've been nothing but a misogynistic jerk.

Just a fyi, I was raised by a colonel in the USAF. Sure, I took ballet but he was also grooming me for the military, too.

I bet he made you really mad at times, right?

Thanks for the info. We should meet.

FancyName
reply to post by WhiteAlice

 

Jeez, I just wonder if your fiancee is as good at listening as I am.

I know more about you than the last girl I ******, and I've been nothing but a misogynistic jerk.

He's awesome and I am quite aware of what you've been doing, hence my responses to you. What better way to flush out that you are The Prince among men?

I bet he made you really mad at times, right?

We've only had a couple of arguments and mad? Nah, just hurt feelings. 99% of the time it was a miscommunication on both of our parts. As the old cliche goes, it takes two to tango.

Thanks for the info. We should meet.

Pass. I avoid certain types of individuals. I think I'd rather poke my own eyes out to be dreadfully honest.

reply to post by WhiteAlice

I avoid certain types of individuals.

Well that saves them from having to listen to your lifestory.

FancyName
reply to post by WhiteAlice

 

I avoid certain types of individuals.

Well that saves them from having to listen to your lifestory.

I think somebody is getting frustrated because their usual methodology is failing. Here's the deal: You presented faulty arguments in an attempt to gain the upper hand in the conversation and I knocked down your towers of blocks with information that disproves your statements. I bet that usually works for you because it would generally provoke emotional responses. Such tactics don't always work with everyone.