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Don't you think it is remarkable that the Federal Government, at a cost of over a trillion dollars, couldn't give the answer that the Washington Post says it got from the private companies that stand to make money from the program?
Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said Monday that insurance companies estimate between 80 and 90 percent of the 6 million people who have signed up for Obamacare have actually paid a premium.
"What we know from insurance companies ... tell(s) us that, for their initial customers, it's somewhere between 80, 85, some say as high as 90 percent, have paid so far," Sebelius said on KWTV-TV. "Lots of companies have different timetables for when their new customers have to send their first payment."
The White House has said more than 6 million people have signed up for Obamacare. But reporters have had little luck getting the administration to provide specific figures when it comes to what percentage of enrollees have actually paid a premium, which Sebelius acknowledged is required before someone is officially enrolled.
"You are not fully enrolled -- you're absolutely right -- until you pay your premium," she said. "But we also know that millions of people now have health care."
If between 80 and 90 percent of the six million have paid premiums, the number who are fully enrolled would be closer to five million than to six million.
Previously, White House press secretary Jay Carney said that general estimates suggest about 80
Phage
What do you mean dropped from the program? If an insurance company offers compliant plans they are compliant. If their plans are not compliant they are not compliant. To meet requirements subscribers must enroll in a compliant plan.
In response to the health insurers’ claims, Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Kathleen Sebelius fired off a letter to the head of the health insurance lobby. The news release on the HHS website makes her purpose plain:
“U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius wrote America’s Health Insurance Plans (AHIP), the national association of health insurers, calling on their members to stop using scare tactics and misinformation to falsely blame premium increases for 2011 on the patient protections in the Affordable Care Act. Sebelius noted that the consumer protections and out-of-pocket savings provided for in the Affordable Care Act should result in a minimal impact on premiums for most Americans. Further, she reminded health plans that states have new resources under the Affordable Care Act to crack down on unjustified premium increases.”
In the letter, Mrs. Sebelius cites HHS’ internal analyses and those of Mercer and other groups to support her claim that Obamacare’s effect on premiums “will be minimal” - somewhere in the range of 1 percent to 2.3 percent, on average. Mrs. Sebelius tells insurers that she will show “zero tolerance” for insurers who “falsely” blame premium increases on Obamacare, and promises aggressive action against those who do:
“[We] will require state or federal review of all potentially unreasonable rate increases filed by health insurers. … We will also keep track of insurers with a record of unjustified rate increases: those plans may be excluded from health insurance Exchanges in 2014. Simply stated, we will not stand idly by as insurers blame their premium hikes and increased profits on the requirement that they provide consumers with basic protections.”
What business does she have threatening insurers because they disagree with her in public? Obamacare gave the secretary considerable new powers. Is one of those the power to regulate what insurers say about Obamacare? Excluding insurers from Obamacare’s exchanges is not a minor threat. Medicare’s chief actuary predicts that in the future, “essentially all” Americans will get their health insurance through those exchanges. Does anyone seriously doubt that Mrs. Sebelius‘ threat is about protecting politicians rather than consumers?
Phage
Thus a range of those who have paid, depending on the company.
What we have now is an absolute train wreck from top to bottom.
Phage
reply to post by butcherguy
The insurance companies are our friends and should be trusted in this modern fascistbreality that we have for a government. ... right?
Not sure how them lying about how many people have paid premiums would help them.
Not sure if they are really excited about being forced by the government to accept anyone who can afford to buy insurance either.
butcherguy
reply to post by Xcathdra
What we have now is an absolute train wreck from top to bottom.
You have that right.
Scary part of it is... the train is still wrecking and hasn't ran over everyone yet.
We are tied to the tracks, so there is no escape. Especially in light of the fact that the leaders of both parties are telling us that it can't be repealed.
The fact is that what the insurance companies report is a more accurate statistic to go by.
Skymon612
Read my original post for link
Xcathdra
butcherguy
reply to post by Xcathdra
What we have now is an absolute train wreck from top to bottom.
You have that right.
Scary part of it is... the train is still wrecking and hasn't ran over everyone yet.
We are tied to the tracks, so there is no escape. Especially in light of the fact that the leaders of both parties are telling us that it can't be repealed.
To be honest I am waiting for the taxes to fully kick in so people will have standing in a lawsuit. That was brought up in SCOTUS decision when they said the ACA was a tax. Since tax bills must originate in the house, the tax was challenged. Apparently there was another Supreme court ruling dealing specifically with tax application. Essentially, they have to pay it to get standing.
Hopefully, it will work and it will be ruled unconstitutional.
diggindirt
My tax guy told me yesterday that the "fine" or "tax" for not having insurance doesn't kick in until next year's taxes. This year they simply have to ask if you have insurance.
I've been doing my own personal survey for several months. I have yet to find one living being that has benefited from this scam and I've found dozens who are hoppin' mad about the increase in premiums and deductibles.