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Cabin
reply to post by beezzer
The question not in how much its gonna cost us, but are we willing to take the bet on the expense of the future generation, our children, our grandchildren.
At the end money is just a paper, just numbers, while the future generations have to bear all the consequences of our current actions. At worst, we might have to be a bit less comfortable, while at worst, the future generations might not have a place to live at..Instead of fighting for the fictious papers, lets focus on something real and keeping it - the nature, rather than fu*king over every other species in the world in order to satisy our egos and accumulate more of the materialistic, more of the "paper". No money in the world is worth a planet, where most people can not live reasonably well.
network dude
reply to post by cosmicexplorer
Who said the climate isn't changing?
I think most are just questioning the factors involved. We look back and see that this has all happened before, and are just having a hard time understanding why it has to be caused by something completely different this time. It's just too early to tell. Our Earth makes drastic changes for lots of reasons. It would be cool to think that we have people who are smart enough to "KNOW" all the answers, but at this time, I don't think we are there yet. More data required. Until then, adapt, improvise, overcome.
cosmicexplorer
Well I could go through this thread and several others quoting every person who thinks climate change is bogus...but I dont care to...almost every thread in relation to climate change has a negative outlook on what science has produced. Id argue that there are a large portion of people who think that the climate is not changing at all.
Just go back and look through the thread....you can see several posts alone in here saying its bogus.
Goteborg
cosmicexplorer
Well I could go through this thread and several others quoting every person who thinks climate change is bogus...but I dont care to...almost every thread in relation to climate change has a negative outlook on what science has produced. Id argue that there are a large portion of people who think that the climate is not changing at all.
Just go back and look through the thread....you can see several posts alone in here saying its bogus.
You don't have to call out every poster in this thread and others. Why don't you pick just one out? If I'm one of those people you're talking about feel free to call me out.
network dude
reply to post by cosmicexplorer
What people are questioning is the cause. The AGWers have been "absolutely certain" of the cause of warming, (now called climate change) where the detractors are saying there is not enough data yet to make that claim. And since we have that difference, we- the non believers, are flat earthers with our heads either in the sand or up someone's ass.
There is no grey area, you have to fully give yourself to the cause, or be labeled as I mentioned. Wear the Nike's and drink the Kool Aid.
cosmicexplorer
Goteborg
cosmicexplorer
Well I could go through this thread and several others quoting every person who thinks climate change is bogus...but I dont care to...almost every thread in relation to climate change has a negative outlook on what science has produced. Id argue that there are a large portion of people who think that the climate is not changing at all.
Just go back and look through the thread....you can see several posts alone in here saying its bogus.
You don't have to call out every poster in this thread and others. Why don't you pick just one out? If I'm one of those people you're talking about feel free to call me out.
The argument I was making is that many feel of the same opinion of you...not that your opinion is wrong.....the person I was responding to said that no one was saying there isnt climate change. Although I think several in this thread think there is no climate change going on. So I hope you didn't feel it was an attack you.
But do share .....are you saying there is no climate change?
cosmicexplorer
My own personal opinion is that the oceans are the most important part of climate change. Research how water moves by temperature/salinity...etc...changing the ocean currents and how water moves would completely change climate. That is where I would start myself.
Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, and since the 1950s, many of the observed changes are unprecedented over decades to millennia. The atmosphere and ocean have warmed, the amounts of snow and ice have diminished, sea level has risen, and the concentrations of greenhouse gases have increased.
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The atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous oxide have increased to levels unprecedented in at least the last 800,000 years. Carbon dioxide concentrations have increased by 40% since pre-industrial times, primarily from fossil fuel emissions and secondarily from net land use change emissions. The ocean has absorbed about 30% of the emitted anthropogenic carbon dioxide, causing ocean acidification.
Goteborg
cosmicexplorer
Goteborg
cosmicexplorer
Well I could go through this thread and several others quoting every person who thinks climate change is bogus...but I dont care to...almost every thread in relation to climate change has a negative outlook on what science has produced. Id argue that there are a large portion of people who think that the climate is not changing at all.
Just go back and look through the thread....you can see several posts alone in here saying its bogus.
You don't have to call out every poster in this thread and others. Why don't you pick just one out? If I'm one of those people you're talking about feel free to call me out.
The argument I was making is that many feel of the same opinion of you...not that your opinion is wrong.....the person I was responding to said that no one was saying there isnt climate change. Although I think several in this thread think there is no climate change going on. So I hope you didn't feel it was an attack you.
But do share .....are you saying there is no climate change?
No problem, I didn't take it as a personal attack. Only a fool would deny that the climate changes, we have proof that it does change and sometimes changes dramatically. What's at issue here is a group of AGW believers claiming that they have facts when all they really have is conjecture based upon observation which isn't necessarily a bad thing but it's far from the complete product they claim to have.
Benevolent Heretic
Read the damn thing. Look at the data. Educate yourselves. Or stick your head into the warming earth and deny it.
Benevolent Heretic
Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, and since the 1950s, many of the observed changes are unprecedented over decades to millennia. The atmosphere and ocean have warmed, the amounts of snow and ice have diminished, sea level has risen, and the concentrations of greenhouse gases have increased.
Climate Change Report
Read the damn thing. Look at the data. Educate yourselves. Or stick your head into the warming earth and deny it.
amazing
But you guys do realize that it's not just this report or this agency or these scientists. It's NASA and almost every University...in fact if you went and visited and talked to every single scientist on earth almost all of them would agree with this report. The only ones disagreeing with the overall picture of this report are those funded by Big Fossil fuel companies. Think about that.