Ebola Epidemic Could Become Global Crisis

Thurisaz
reply to post by crazyewok

 

Maybe that is the cause for plane going missing?

Erm no.

1) That was a Asian flight not African

2) why hide the plane? They would just quarantined the plane and remove the passengers to a quarantined facility. No secrecy.

UNIT76

The thing goes global and there will be some germ warfare outfit that's behind it

it almost writes itself..

Tom Clancy already did it back in the nineties.

The book is Executive Orders. Good read by the way.

If Ebola were to go global, it would be just another prophetic (HUGE coincidence) book by him.

reply to post by crazyewok


yeah... it is off topic but there was a report of a missing vial of highly contagious bacteria just before the plane went missing...and I do apologise for the conjecture but I feel it is quite timely... now there is a huge Ebola outbreak.

and the potential for a pandemic. Have you seen the movie Constant Gardener? After watching that one, I don't trust Big Pharma.

Thurisaz
reply to post by crazyewok

 

yeah... it is off topic but there was a report of a missing vial of highly contagious bacteria just before the plane went missing...and I do apologise for the conjecture but I feel it is quite timely... now there is a huge Ebola outbreak.

and the potential for a pandemic. Have you seen the movie Constant Gardener? After watching that one, I don't trust Big Pharma.

Ebola is viral not bacteria so would be 100% unrelated in any way shape or form.

reply to post by crazyewok


LOL you sound so sure of things...

I am not certain of anything lately. I don't trust mainstream news nor big pharma... could be deliberate to reduce the population numbers around the World.

anyway, this is off topic so I won't post anymore.

reply to post by PurpleDog UK


Thanks. On page 2:

Saudi suspends visas for Guinea, Liberia pilgrims over Ebola

RIYADH - Saudi Arabia on Tuesday announced the suspension of visas for Muslim pilgrims from Guinea and Liberia, two African countries hit by an outbreak of the deadly Ebola epidemic.

The "preventive" measure came at the request of the Saudi health ministry "due to the danger of the disease and its highly contagious" nature, state news agency SPA reported.

….The tropical virus leads to haemorrhagic fever, causing muscle pain, weakness, vomiting, diarrhoea and, in severe cases, organ failure and unstoppable bleeding.

Thurisaz

LOL you sound so sure of things...

Its one of the few things I am sure of in this world.

There are many military vets on ATS well consider me a vet in the fight against microbes

reply to post by crazyewok


oh fantastic!

It makes me happy and relieved to know that you are sure about the Ebola Virus.


My blood pressure has dropped and I am feeling better, thanks.

Thurisaz
reply to post by crazyewok

 

oh fantastic!

It makes me happy and relieved to know that you are sure about the Ebola Virus.

My blood pressure has dropped and I am feeling better, thanks.

Well yes I am 100% sure it wasn't connected to any missing "vial of highly contagious bacteria" because Ebola is a virus. Completely 100% different.

As for spreading round the world and people dying in the streets of New york and London in mass numbers? No I cant be a 100% sure but I class it as extremely unlikely. The next global pandemic will likely be from a Influenza or SARS like virus.

reply to post by Thurisaz

I am not certain of anything lately. I don't trust mainstream news nor big pharma... could be deliberate to reduce the population numbers around the World.

It's a big club. Welcome.

UPDATE

Death Toll tops 90 - with cases confirmed in Guinea and Liberia; suspected in Mali and Sierra Leone.

crazyewok is parroting the dismissals made by the World Health Organization and other international agencies - based on past experience with the Ebola virus, they all expect this outbreak to burn itself out. And it's true, even though Ebola is scary as hell, it HAS been easy to stop with quarantine and tight hygeine controls. In the past.

BUT - this "outbreak" is very different.

* There is a huge geographic spread with several "centers" of infection.
* Containment is hampered by lack of awareness, trained medical personnel and accessible, appropriate medical facilities - far more than 'normal' given the spread and need to cover several different centers in different areas.

MORE
* All previous Ebola outbreaks have been in the Democratic Republic of Congo and Uganda - thousands of miles from Guinea. Supposedly, Ebola requires direct contact to spread. So how did the virus travel thousands of miles to Guinea without leaving any evidence?



* The Guinea outbreak started in Guekedou and Macenta in rural Guinea (about 35 miles apart), but then jumped to Conarky over 400 miles away by the main road. How did it jump 400 miles if it kills too quickly to spread far?



* One of the latest cases in Liberia involves a man who had never travelled to Guinea and had NO contact with any Guinea cases. He is from the town of Tapeta, more than 250 miles and a five hour car journey from the Guinean border. How did HE get infected? Is there more than one epicenter? More than one source?

* Liberia and Sierra Leone are close to the original outbreak center at Guededou and Macenta, but Mali is hundreds of miles away. How did the virus jump to Mali?


The evidence suggests this particular Zaire Ebola virus is different - getting around with unprecedented speed, and originating from several sources, not just one. This Ebola outbreak is NOT "business as usual," as Medicins Sans Frontiers has been saying all along. It is not restricted geographically and is not contained.

Guinea is resource rich, but has not been effectively raped as yet. Perhaps an out-of-control Ebola epidemic will set the nation up for an economic "rescue" by international consortiums down the road. And maybe "tame" the rest of Africa too, as a collateral benefit? Make the natives more amenable to proper colonization?



Mali suspects first Ebola cases as regional death toll tops 90

reply to post by soficrow


yep. Thanks for the info.

I was ignorant to these issues until I watched Constant Gardener. Everyone else had seen it except me... I watched it and was gobsmacked to say the least. (based on a true story)

I am not surprised the 'pandemic' is affecting a 3rd World Country, as usual.

reply to post by soficrow


oh this is off topic but may add weight to your premise. Qaddafi was murdered because he had plans to strengthen Africa!
Qaddafi - Italy seizes BILLIONS of dollars

What if Qaddafi is telling the truth?

seems the elite want Africa to stay powerless.

reply to post by soficrow


Chills ran down my backbone as I read this. If there's multiple epicenters/"patient zeros," then what the heck happened to the Ebolavirus? A few years ago, there was a thread on ATS that described how unscrupulous types could piggyback smallpox onto an airborne virus, i.e. the flu (or common cold). (I searched, couldn't find it, gave up.) Anyway, Ebolavirus was ruled out because it is just too efficient in killing the host organism. Could that have changed? Ebolavirus isn't (or wasn't) widespread like Bird Flu...so how could it recombine, if, in fact that is possible. It's very odd.
P.S. As an aside, I've been watching HELIX, and while the series isn't my fave, one episode delved into a fictional "test" release of the black goo virus to see how it behaved.

Great thread.

reply to post by soficrow


You do know there is a Ivory coast strain of Ebola right?

Detected dureing a chimpanze out break, infected 1 person who survived.

So no it has before appeared in the African west coast, just not until now in a human outbreak.

drwill
reply to post by soficrow

 

Chills ran down my backbone as I read this. If there's multiple epicenters/"patient zeros," then what the heck happened to the Ebolavirus? A few years ago, there was a thread on ATS that described how unscrupulous types could piggyback smallpox onto an airborne virus, i.e. the flu (or common cold). (I searched, couldn't find it, gave up.) Anyway, Ebolavirus was ruled out because it is just too efficient in killing the host organism. Could that have changed? Ebolavirus isn't (or wasn't) widespread like Bird Flu...so how could it recombine, if, in fact that is possible. It's very odd.
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Great thread.

Thanks. And yes, seems the Ebola virus can, and does, recombine in nature.

RE: EBOLA VIRUS RECOMBINATION

Isolates of Zaire ebolavirus from wild apes reveal genetic lineage and recombinants

Abstract
Over the last 30 years, Zaire ebolavirus (ZEBOV), a virus highly pathogenic for humans and wild apes, has emerged repeatedly in Central Africa. Thus far, only a few virus isolates have been characterized genetically, all belonging to a single genetic lineage and originating exclusively from infected human patients. Here, we describe the first ZEBOV sequences isolated from great ape carcasses in the Gabon/Congo region that belong to a previously unrecognized genetic lineage. According to our estimates, this lineage, which we also encountered in the two most recent human outbreaks in the Republic of the Congo in 2003 and 2005, diverged from the previously known viruses around the time of the first documented human outbreak in 1976. These results suggest that virus spillover from the reservoir has occurred more than once, as predicted by the multiple emergence hypothesis. However, the young age of both ZEBOV lineages and the spatial and temporal sequence of outbreaks remain at odds with the idea that the virus simply emerged from a long-established and widespread reservoir population. Based on data from two ZEBOV genes, we also demonstrate, within the family Filoviridae, recombination between the two lineages. According to our estimates, this event took place between 1996 and 2001 and gave rise to a group of recombinant viruses that were responsible for a series of outbreaks in 2001–2003. The potential for recombination adds an additional level of complexity to unraveling and potentially controlling the emergence of ZEBOV in humans and wildlife species.

soficrow
reply to post by Fromabove

 

You don't need to modify or evolve Ebola as an airborne. All you need is a person with a highly contagious flu and it can spread on the droplets of saliva as they cough in peoples faces, and touch things after wiping the drool from their mouths or their noses. Most flues come with fevers so sweating and touching is another problem. The Ebola virus would simply ride the bus from host to host killing all along the way.

Never thought of that. You are right.

Isn't nature wonderful?

Yeah, it would work like this, one virus hitches a ride on the efforts of another virus. Once it gets going and stresses the medical field all bets are off and we now have a Zombie Apocalypse.

Fromabove
we now have a Zombie Apocalypse.

reply to post by soficrow


Call me crazy, but why am I having difficulty trusting the Nigerian Minister of Information?

From your previous post, a couple of pages back, & sourced @ www.ibtimes.com... :

Senegal has closed its border with the country, and Nigeria was gripped by fear of contamination when some of the country’s leading media outlets reported that a 15-year-old woman died of the disease in the country’s Edo State last week.

The Nigerian Minister of Information, Labaran Maku, stated Wednesday that the woman actually died of dengue fever, squelching fears that Ebola had spread to Africa’s most populous nation.

"Nigeria is prepared right now to curtail any outbreak particularly given reports that few counties (sic) on the West Coast like Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea have reported cases of Ebola fever and given our proximity to these countries Nigeria is ready, the [Health Ministry] has every precaution including getting with vaccines and medicines to ensure that should there be any incidence in Nigeria, everything would be dealt with precision,” Maku said, according to Nigerian newspaper This Day.

Nelson Dafe, a journalist at Nigeria's News Express newspaper, said via online chat that many of his fellow Nigerians are not concerned about the Ebola outbreak.

"Here in Benin City in the mid-west of southern Nigeria, people are not talking about it. I doubt if they are even aware about the outbreak of the disease," he wrote.

1. Hold Up, Wait A Minute! See bolded text above; Does Nigeria have some special Ebola vaccines & medicines that I'm not privy to???

2. WT? The tone of the Nigerian sources in the article implies that they don't want citizens to be aware of an Ebola outbreak...or try to minimize awareness/education...to prevent panic?

3. This is a thread (excellent, by the way) about how Ebola "Could Become Global"...Well, I truly hope Nigeria is being truthful about the matter of NO cases & that cases don't spread to Côte d'Ivoire as both countries have national teams playing in the World Cup in Brasil in less than 70 days... (Sourced @ www.fifa.com...).

Hopefully, the players & fans who may travel with their teams across the Atlantic will not be exposed...FIFA should be proactive in assisting them out of those areas, I think...

Good work, Sofi!
Will keep my eyes on this as it seems to be developing more rapidly/uniquely than historical hot-spots as we have known them...

reply to post by crazyewok


Woo Woo! Sorry, I just couldn't resist...

reply to post by crazyewok


I certainly understand the economic, diplomatic and political need to conduct damage control and prevent panic. At the same time, I abhor the strategies such agendas employ to prevent discourse and obstruct people from going through their own learning processes - which of course are fraught with mistaken assumptions, wrong turns and errors, but which processes remain essential to creating an educated mature public.



btw - Did you catch this post? Care to comment?

reply to post by soficrow


Yes and I already have left a comment.


What your saying about Ebola never being seen in the area is wrong.

In 1994 a Strain of Ebola was found in Côte d'Ivoire in a Chimpanzee outbreak, and it infected 1 person.

So its not far fetched that its caused a human outbreak in the area.


I just don't think running round like headless chickens calling it a zombie apocalypse helps anyone.
Even if by SOME random chance it caused a outbreak in the west then the ones who survive will be the ones that keep there head. The OMG WE ARZ GONNA DIEZ 11!!!!111 crowd will be the first to die.

And for the record Ebolas sister Marburg has caused a western outbreak before in Germany due to infected imported monkeys and even in 1967 it was contained even after it spread to a couple of other country's.