White House looks to regulate cow flatulence as part of climate agenda!

Phage
reply to post by neo96

 

How is a government that does that a good 'steward' of the planet ?

By passing laws to prevent such things from happening.
www.law.cornell.edu...

It was a bad idea (though, arguably necessary). Good idea to stop doing it.

They didn't stop nuclear testing.

It forced them underground.

Then other nations like North Korea, Iran,China, hell all the nuclear powers still do testing.

Laws don't stop anything.

neo96
reply to post by kaylaluv

 

So now you are saying that pollution is an imaginary problem?

What I am saying is that far too many people just go along with whatever they say.

Oh my god people are killing the planet. Government has to do something!

Oh my god the evil bankers! Government has to make them nicer !

Oh my god them evil guns ! Government has to do 'something' !.

It really is getting tiresome of people twisting my posts for what ever reason.

So, leave it to industry to fix it on their own. Right.
Bankers...let 'em do what they want. Right.
Guns, well that's a bit different I guess. Let's not have any regulation. Good plan.

No one has to twist anything you say. It's pretty clear.

SaturnFX

neo96
How is a government that does that a good 'steward' of the planet ?

Last nuke test in the States was in 92. We learn...eventually.

No we haven't.

Because other people still do 'testing'.

reply to post by neo96

Then other nations like North Korea, Iran,China, hell all the nuclear powers still do testing.

No, the US does not do underground testing either.

Iran? Really? Nuclear tests?

neo96
reply to post by kaylaluv

 

So now you are saying that pollution is an imaginary problem?

What I am saying is that far too many people just go along with whatever they say.

Oh my god people are killing the planet. Government has to do something!

Oh my god the evil bankers! Government has to make them nicer !

Oh my god them evil guns ! Government has to do 'something' !.

It really is getting tiresome of people twisting my posts for what ever reason.

Its not necessarily what your saying verses the obvious conclusion one comes up from what you said.

The only logical conclusion one can get then from your wording is that regulations, control, and oversight should be removed because it may not be perfect, or you simply don't like it due to..freedom or whatnot...
Is this a incorrect conclusion? are you suggesting something that the rest of us (civil society) is somehow missing? What is your solution then?

Problem: Pollution and greenhouse gases
Neo's solution: (fill in the blanks)

It isn't hard to point out flaws..sort of the low fruit on the tree. Why not, while pointing out the issues though, spend a bit of time acknowledging the issue, and raise some alternative solution that would potentially work. If not government, then who would force corporations to clean up their act?

The infurating part of conservatives isn't that they hate the government and want it abolished, its that they offer no alternatives that would actually effect any change...if anything, it would make the situation worse. Give some ideas while pointing out problems of the initial solution already.

Phage

neo96
reply to post by kaylaluv

 

So now you are saying that pollution is an imaginary problem?

What I am saying is that far too many people just go along with whatever they say.

Oh my god people are killing the planet. Government has to do something!

Oh my god the evil bankers! Government has to make them nicer !

Oh my god them evil guns ! Government has to do 'something' !.

It really is getting tiresome of people twisting my posts for what ever reason.

So, leave it to industry to fix it on their own. Right.
Bankers...let 'em do what they want. Right.
Guns, well that's a bit different I guess. Let's not have any regulation. Good plan.

No one has to twist anything you say. It's pretty clear.

So leave it to the US government to make things 'better' ?

They haven't. They never will.

They have made things worse, and yeah it is rather clear.

Phage
reply to post by neo96

 

Then other nations like North Korea, Iran,China, hell all the nuclear powers still do testing.

No, the US does not do underground testing either.

Iran? Really? Nuclear tests?

Well they sure the hell don't want nuclear power for the lights.

After all all the cool kids push solar panels, and wind turbines.

reply to post by SaturnFX

The only logical conclusion one can get then from your wording is that regulations, control, and oversight should be removed because it may not be perfect, or you simply don't like it due to..freedom or whatnot...

What oversight ?

When was the last time the EPA has gone in front of congress for any hearing ?

reply to post by neo96


Sure. Did a lot of swimming in Lake Erie in the 60's did ya?

Let bankers do what they want. Much better than regulation.

reply to post by neo96


Then I suggest that "people" do their own research and figure out that pollution is a very real problem. And if "people" can't figure out how to fix this problem, or are too lazy or greedy to fix it, "somebody" has to step up, or we all WILL die. Who is that somebody going to be? I know it won't be Neo - he has no solution. I may have a solution, but little ole me can't make everybody do what I say. Who has the power to make everyone work towards fixing the problem? What other choices do we have? Other than dying in our own waste, that is.

neo96

SaturnFX

neo96
How is a government that does that a good 'steward' of the planet ?

Last nuke test in the States was in 92. We learn...eventually.

No we haven't.

Because other people still do 'testing'.

We, the west, can only be answerable to ourselves for now.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


The point of the image was to emphasize what Phage was saying. You show a picture of land that has been overgrazed and most people aren't going to realize what's wrong with it. They're just going to see dirt. And how the heck would one show a picture of the damage that cattle related methane production does in any clear cut way? Images of a landfill, though, are hard to dismiss and really highlight that relationship to what we do as a combined community and its outcome.

You can think it's just my problem or anybody else who is concerned about our combined effect on this planet but honestly, it's your problem, too, and every single one of your descendents thereafter. Having a death grip on ignorance isn't going to resolve any problem on this planet. It's just going to assure its doom and you know that I don't drop the "doom" word lightly.

There is no express right in the US to eat so much red meat where something as ridiculous as cow farts becomes a serious global issue. There is no express right to basically contaminate our groundwater supplies in a million little ways that basically sully the very water we need to live. In fact, here's the preamble of the US Constitution:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Being mindful of not, as Phage so adroitly put it, ****ing in our own nest, would actually fall under the very core intention of the Constitution for the common defence and promotion of the general welfare. It is in all of our best interests to assure that the current existing generations and those that follow thereafter have those things that we tend to take for granted--fertile soil for food, clean water for drink, and clean air to breathe. That definitely falls under "the general welfare". Toss in the climatological effects of all that we've been doing, one could also perceive that perhaps not killing off our oceans through acidification or assuring that bees don't go extinct along with a myriad of other species so we still have food on the table might actually be in our best interests and directly under that concept of "promoting the general welfare" within the Preamble of the Constitution, itself.

beezzer
reply to post by neo96

 

It's only a matter of time before they regulate the air we breathe, the rain that falls, the sun that shines, all in the name of the new religion of Global-Climate-Change-Warming-Cooling-It-Might-Rain-Later-Or-Not.

You definitely called it right.

Anyone reading this thread can see it reads like the Salem Witch Trials, and the Spanish Inquistion.

The true 'believers' want them 'witches' burned at the stake for 'heresey'.

Anyone who doesn't go along with their hive mentality.

reply to post by kaylaluv

Then I suggest that "people" do their own research and figure out that pollution is a very real problem.

I suggest people do their own research,and see the cluster eff the US government truly is, and is a BIGGER PROBLEM.

reply to post by neo96

The true 'believers' want them 'witches' burned at the stake for 'heresey'.

Nope.
We would like to see carbon (and other) emissions reduced. Burnings at the stake wouldn't help accomplish that.

Phage
reply to post by neo96

 

Sure. Did a lot of swimming in Lake Erie in the 60's did ya?

Let bankers do what they want. Much better than regulation.

So after 100 years of teaching them evil bankers a lesson what is the score there Phage ?

The famous shill line of 'income inequality' is because of the decades of going after them consistently.

Via regulation.

Which is why checking,savings,money markets, mutual funds, cds all pay jacksnip.

Really job well done.

For the record that is what millions of Americans used to increase their standard of living.

Hey who cares though right!

Government 'cares' ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

Why yes let the government control everything we breathe, everything we drink, and everything we own.

IT's to 'save the planet' !

neo96

beezzer
reply to post by neo96

 

It's only a matter of time before they regulate the air we breathe, the rain that falls, the sun that shines, all in the name of the new religion of Global-Climate-Change-Warming-Cooling-It-Might-Rain-Later-Or-Not.

You definitely called it right.

Anyone reading this thread can see it reads like the Salem Witch Trials, and the Spanish Inquistion.

The true 'believers' want them 'witches' burned at the stake for 'heresy'.

Anyone who doesn't go along with their hive mentality.

Hive mentality? Sure, you can call a strong desire to not breathe polluted air and drink toxic water a hive mentality. Whatever floats your boat there, but survival of the fittest also depends on what goes IN the meatsack, so in your fantasy world of no regulations, you can bet on it being filled with even weaker, even more diseased people being the bane of your anti-assistance existence.
Your ideal world, which I may add, might as well be post-apocalyptic without the apocalyptic activities lending the contaminants, just filthy businesses. Hey, you know what? Russia has some leftover highly contaminated industrial ghost cities. There you go, Neo! You could run things your way there, it's already a cesspit waiting to be populated.

Phage
reply to post by neo96

 

The true 'believers' want them 'witches' burned at the stake for 'heresey'.

Nope.
We would like to see carbon (and other) emissions reduced. Burnings at the stake wouldn't help accomplish that.

edit on 3/29/2014 by Phage because: (no reason given)

Phage I hate to break it to you but the US is not the only country in the world.

It is never going to happen.

Unless the climate pushers start invading countries, and start taking them over, and forcing them in to your belief system.

neo96
reply to post by kaylaluv

 

Then I suggest that "people" do their own research and figure out that pollution is a very real problem.

I suggest people do their own research,and see the cluster eff the US government truly is, and is a BIGGER PROBLEM.

No, dying from lack of oxygen is a way bigger problem than a cluster eff. I'd rather deal with a sometimes cumbersome bureaucratic system then to die in my own waste.

reply to post by Nyiah

survival of the fittest

What survival of the fittest ?

All I see is a bunch of people hiding behind government to make them feel 'safe'.