The Greatest Fraud

reply to post by LightningStrikesHere


The Greatest Fraud: Whoever came up with the idea that Obama isn't a natural born citizen. They've had ya'll hoodwinked for five years running now. How about we drop it and focus on real issues, like the tons of Obama's failings?

Obama's birth certificate is bogus because of this reason right here:

"1961 Vital Statistics of the United States; U. S. Dept. of Health Education, and Welfare; Public Health Service; National Center for Health Statistics; National Vital Statistics Division;" Page 231 under subsection Race and Color."

What it says is that "Negro" was the only legally accepted term at the time. Which means Obama's Birth Certificate saying "African American" makes it a clear and direct forgery because it's not in compliance of the laws at the time.

If you argue against it, you're spreading dis-information.

Checkmate.

ManFromEurope
Would you like cheese to the whine?


Seriously, come on: this topic is dead. It is a playground for people hating Obama for "completely different reasons" and has no valid sources. Yes, I didn't watch the video as it will be a spiel of the usual themes: the seal seems suspicious, the writing and some words seem dubious, there was no office of... whatever this time seems to be at questions.

This thing is wrought out of every possible idea which could have led to a real problem for Obama.
Nothing stood the tests and could be validated.

You're the one who seems to be whining. OP only asked what we thought of the video that they came across and you get all hysterical like that "leave Britney alone" guy.



And for the record, I believe that Obama is an American born citizen...but why is it when someone questions anything about Obama it is instantly labeled "hate" or "racism". To me it seems that when any question or criticism about Obama is labeled this way, the only purpose it serves is to try to deflect and avoid an answer...

Call Bush an incompetent leader - that was just fine. it was even encouraged.
Say the same about Obama and you're an ignorant racist full of hatred.
Even though there's very little difference in how the country is being run...well, other than the pending fall of America has gained much more steam under Obama.

Bush was compared to Hitler by many Americans...but do not question Obama's far more consolidated power grab because that is racism. Plus you'll be audited by the IRS fairly quickly. Not that I'm a Bush supporter either. Both parties are equally corrupt, but democrats (ironically calling themselves "progressives") get away with more BS. Especially Obama.



Edited because: Youtube video doesn't seem to be working. Link---> www.youtube.com...

Whether or not you believe the thesis of bogusness, or not...

Can we please discuss it politely? Hasn't reached the point of actioning yet, but given the contentiousness of past threads on this topic? It will.

Prior warning given.

reply to post by kdyam


Whether his birth certificate is valid or not, this president is set. He stands to make a lot of money on the lecture circuit.

reply to post by hellobruce


Obama Sr.'s race is categorized as "African" on Obama Jr.'s Hawaiian birth certificate.

Box 9, 'Race of Father'.

A wee bit odd even for Hawaii.

There is no official "African" race.

And Ann's 'race' is categorized as 'Caucasian' (Box 14). Nice and official. Why not "North American" ?????

and Box 12b "'Kind of Business or Industry'.... "University".

another odd type 'occupation' since Obama Sr. was supposedly a student.

The Hawaiian BC copy pdf

hellobruce

kdyam
but is hasnt been proven one way or the other yet.

So after 200 failed birther court cases, and courts declaring Obama a natural born US citizen.... you do not think it is proven?

Just what proof will you accept then?

The certificate that the White House released way back was proven fake and fabricated.
Having a bought off judge dismiss case after case does not prove anything. It just shows how completely corrupt the country is.
That is all it does.
If you pretend hard enough, you can even believe he is a fairy king, and no one can ever prove you wrong.

xuenchen
Obama Sr.'s race is categorized as "African" on Obama Jr.'s Hawaiian birth certificate.

Box 9, 'Race of Father'.

A wee bit odd even for Hawaii.

No, not odd at all. Remember, the state of Hawaii clarified this long ago. In recording race, official policy in Hawaii is to allow the individual to self-identify. That is, an individual's race is whatever that individual says it is.

alienreality
The certificate that the White House released way back was proven fake and fabricated.

Sure about that? Which expert examined it, and proved that?

Of course you are unable to show any real expert stating that!

reply to post by hellobruce


I know you can prove that right?

And can you prove that Obama Sr. was actually present when somebody filled out the BC forms at the hospital?

And what was Ann Dunham's "occupation" at the time before birth? The BC says 'none' but claims have said she was a 'student' in high school (age 18 on BC). If she quit school during pregnancy, how did she get into college so soon afterwards?

xuenchen
reply to post by hellobruce

 

I know you can prove that right?

Of course I can!

Update, August 26: We received responses to some of our questions from the Hawaii Department of Health. They couldn’t tell us anything about their security paper, but they did answer another frequently-raised question: why is Obama’s father’s race listed as “African”? Kurt Tsue at the DOH told us that father’s race and mother’s race are supplied by the parents, and that “we accept what the parents self identify themselves to be.” We consider it reasonable to believe that Barack Obama, Sr., would have thought of and reported himself as “African.”

www.factcheck.org...

And can you prove that Obama Sr. was actually present when somebody filled out the BC forms at the hospital?

What makes you think he had to be there?

hellobruce

kdyam
When our own legal system decides that forcing Americans to buy a privatized product is constitutional anything is possible.

Don't you need compulsory insurance if you drive a car in the USA?

To "own" a car, or, more correctly, have one registered in your name. But you don't have to drive a car, and the Federal Government is not the one forcing you to have insurance.

xuenchen
reply to post by hellobruce

 

I know you can prove that right?

And can you prove that Obama Sr. was actually present when somebody filled out the BC forms at the hospital?

And what was Ann Dunham's "occupation" at the time before birth? The BC says 'none' but claims have said she was a 'student' in high school (age 18 on BC). If she quit school during pregnancy, how did she get into college so soon afterwards?

a TREMENDOUS amount of mis-information in this post. Obama. Sr. was not required to be present when the BC form was filled out. NO ONE to my knowledge has said she was a "high school student." She was enrolled at the University of Hawaii. She was ALREADY in college.

So much for your post.

reply to post by hellobruce


You need to cite the actual statutes and laws.

What were those laws in 1961 Hawaii?

xuenchen
You need to cite the actual statutes and laws.

Who says? Please show that a statute or law actually existed. What makes you claim that a statute or law stating that even existed.

What were those laws in 1961 Hawaii?

What laws are you babbling about now? You really are not making sense, you claim a law or statute exists, but want me to tell you what it is....

hellobruce

alienreality
The certificate that the White House released way back was proven fake and fabricated.

Sure about that? Which expert examined it, and proved that?

Of course you are unable to show any real expert stating that!

Really, ARE YOU SURE?
Did you know that there have been dozens of experts check it for authenticity? Did you care? Of course you don't, because facts aren't important when you worship a fairy king.
here is a link to about a dozen professional and expert in document fraud analysis findings.

Expert findings

Now after you read these you can either do the right thing and start eating your hat and underwear, or continue living in your wonderful world of delusional grandeur. Either choice will be entertaining.. Don't keep me waiting now...

alienreality
Really, ARE YOU SURE?

Yes.

Did you know that there have been dozens of experts check it for authenticity?

Please show the names of these "experts" and which courts certified them as a "expert".

Also please show us exactly where and when these "experts" examined Obama's BC's.

Of course you are unable to answer those simple questions, as none of them examined Obama's BC's!

because facts aren't important

We have all seen facts are not important to birthers!

here is a link to about a dozen professional and expert in document fraud analysis findings.

Yet none of those "experts" have ever examined Obama's BC's! No real expert would declare a document they have never seen a fraud....

or continue living in your wonderful world of delusional grandeur

That would be birther world, in their world Obama would never have been elected twice as President!

schuyler

xuenchen
reply to post by hellobruce

 

I know you can prove that right?

And can you prove that Obama Sr. was actually present when somebody filled out the BC forms at the hospital?

And what was Ann Dunham's "occupation" at the time before birth? The BC says 'none' but claims have said she was a 'student' in high school (age 18 on BC). If she quit school during pregnancy, how did she get into college so soon afterwards?

a TREMENDOUS amount of mis-information in this post. Obama. Sr. was not required to be present when the BC form was filled out. NO ONE to my knowledge has said she was a "high school student." She was enrolled at the University of Hawaii. She was ALREADY in college.

So much for your post.

I stand corrected about Ann Dunham in high school.

She was in fact already in college. My error.

Still doesn't explain why she listed her occupation as 'none' and listed Sr.'s as 'student' as she apparently was the one who filled out the paperwork.


reply to post by hellobruce


These laws maybe...
Hawaii Public Health Regulations

Pay particular attention to the parts about amended birth certificates and sealed records.

This is what L. Fuddy knew and was ready to reveal.

xuenchen
These laws maybe...
Hawaii Public Health Regulations

Nothing there about "African" not being used, nothing there about the father having to be present...

So just what are you on about?

This is what L. Fuddy knew and was ready to reveal.

Yes, Fuddy knew Obama is a natural born US citizen, born in Hawaii. Where exactly was she going to reveal what you claim? There are no court cases where she was going to appear, no announcement she made that she was going to reveal anything.... you seem very confused!