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To be fair I would not be bothered if America had torture warrants to be used under extreme circumstances and not to extract confessions to be used in court. With proper records kept.
The backstory. The inspector general of the CIA last month released a 2004 report on the interrogation of Al Qaeda suspects. As my colleague Mark Hosenball reported, it and other internal documents (which Cheney called on the CIA to release, believing they would back his claim) do not show that torture worked
Trinity College Institute of Neuroscience in Dublin explains in a paper in the journal Trends in Cognitive Sciencecalled "Torturing the Brain," "the use of such techniques appears motivated by a folk psychology that is demonstrably incorrect. Solid scientific evidence on how repeated and extreme stress and pain affect memory and executive functions (such as planning or forming intentions) suggests these techniques are unlikely to do anything other than the opposite of that intended by coercive or 'enhanced' interrogation."
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
Torture as a means of gathering evidence is barbaric and outright evil.
Torture in extremes to directly save life
reply to post by Asktheanimals
Like Rumsfeld said: this will be a long war that will go on for generations.
Laykilla
So the dilemma is, do you act as the bad guy, and kill 3 people, or do you act as an even badder guy, and because you refuse to do what's necessary, be responsible for the deaths of 15-20 million people?
I'd kill the 3 people before I let 20 million die, that's just me though.
Laykilla
Sometimes there IS no alternative. Do I think they should torture everyone? No, but when the stakes are as high as millions of people, I don't think you have a choice.
Do you torture somebody who has hidden 3 nuclear bombs throughout the US, and you can confirm that the threat is real, and you're on a clock?
You don't have a choice.
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
The fact torture breaks a man like an animal
deadcalm
reply to post by schadenfreude
Oh the tears, so delicious.
I know right? It was a damning indictment of Obama's Presidency.
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
I'm sorry but we absolutely disagree.
reply to post by jimmyx
if you think Obama is being told everything
Wrabbit2000
Is what that requires worth it? That seems the question.
Wrabbit2000
Torture works. Torture works 100% absolutely, 100% of the time.
reply to post by Asktheanimals
I'm still trying to figure out how smuggling guns to Mexican cartels is helping us but oh well, Holder knows best - right?
he became the only cabinet member in US history to be held in contempt of Congress
Eric Holder knew about the Fast and Furious scandal at least 10 months before he claimed he did to Congress. Of course in Obamaville, what difference does it make if the Attorney General of the United States lied under oath to Congress twice.
As Attorney General, Holder has been a staunch defender of the President's legal right to prosecute the War on Terror.
I say if we can torture another human being...then we are no better than animals ourselves.
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
The Constitution isn't there as an set of absolutes
The U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of the nation. It was officially adopted on September 17, 1787 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, and has been amended twenty-seven times since then. The first three articles of the constitution describes three branches of the federal government, and provides a set of rules and regulations they have to follow. It also confers them with individual powers....