Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

reply to post by Zaphod58


Maybe they felt doing it simultaneously would be unachievable.

reply to post by Cosmocow


I believe it took place during the Situation Room, could have been Erin Burnetts show. I don't think it was part of the crossfire broadcast.

plane was hijacked, they gassed all on board, wore masks themselves, landed safely, are currently arming it with explosives, intend to fly it into calvert cliffs nuke plant causing the entire washington dc/mid atlantic to be uninhabitable for thousands upon thousands of years.....

well, maybe not but heh, i haven't posted for a while on here, and i'm bored.

reply to post by OatDelphi


Fighters, both stealth and non-stealth, unless they are in combat, are always flying with other aircraft (either tankers, or others of the same type). If there's an accident there is always another aircraft to report it. If they're shot down, then they're over hostile territory, and getting to the wreckage to recover it is going to be difficult at best, so they tend to bomb it (and since they know the flight path, they always have a pretty good idea of where they went missing).

The B-2 has a number of systems remarkably similar to commercial systems on board. Even in the military (only counting large aircraft, not fighters), over 90% of all accidents are take off and landing (fighters are more like 70-75% or so, maybe a little higher).

Bilk22

Zaphod58
reply to post by Bilk22

 

So they had enough fuel to fly around Vietnam, dodging the Philippines, the ships that are patrolling the Spratly Islands, and up into China, with no one noticing them, even though they had planned to fly directly over Vietnam. It's not exactly like that added an extra hundred miles to the route. Fuel would have been a concern.

I guess I'll have to do the work of obtaining the distances. However it's clear you have not looked at a map as to where Beijing is in relation to the reported landing site. I'll see what I come up with

I'll also add, there's no reason to believe that if the scenario is as I suggested, they still could have taken the route over Vietnam escorted by Chinese military if the Vietnamese allowed that to happen. Just saying.

In order to do that you will need to know exactly where all radar sources were at the time the plane disappeared. That would include any military planes and ships that could have possibly detected the plane. This information would have been needed in order for anyone on board the plane to formulate a flight plan that would be undetected. You can not just subtract the distance of the supposed landing site (according to you) from the distance to Beijing. You will have to find a route that is undetected by radar, not necessarily a straight line route. I suspect this is what Zaphod has been trying to tell you.

reply to post by OatDelphi


I believe the woman's show, she had dark hair. Hall said it should be standard on all airliners

ManiShuck
reply to post by Bilk22

 

An Australian news site has a much better article about it which doesn't mention CNN, so not sure about the email. They may just simply not want to have his picture out there per a request.

In the other article I found, it mentioned Mr. Ali coming forward to authorities to answer questions and no US authorities have tried to contact him. So it seems more and more like the stolen passports don't have anything to do with the disappearance (or, at least it's looking less likely than before).

Odd we're getting a tear jerk story of a guy who wants a new life near his mom? The guy had no problems getting in touch with black market operators dealing in stolen passports. Are we supposed to feel sorry for him now after getting on a fateful flight? The story sounds pretty rotten if you ask me.

Edit: Not want his pic out there? He's, at the very least, a criminal. He's also suspected to be dead. So what the deal with not wanting his pic out there?

reply to post by Khaleesi


That's exactly the point I was trying to make. They would have to avoid all radar sources in the area to pull it off. Anyone detecting an unknown could scramble fighters to find out what it was, and then the plan is blown.

reply to post by Cosmocow


The ELT is on the fuselage, the recorders are in the fuselage, where they're more protected. When you add in that all the rafts have an ELT, the life jackets have signaling devices, and the aircraft ELT (which tends to float where the boxes sink) that's a lot of transmitting ability. The boxes having them as well would be redundant.

reply to post by KonquestAbySS


And one at a time, apparently at least days if not weeks apart wouldn't be?

Zaphod58
reply to post by OatDelphi

 

Fighters, both stealth and non-stealth, unless they are in combat, are always flying with other aircraft (either tankers, or others of the same type). If there's an accident there is always another aircraft to report it. If they're shot down, then they're over hostile territory, and getting to the wreckage to recover it is going to be difficult at best, so they tend to bomb it (and since they know the flight path, they always have a pretty good idea of where they went missing).

The B-2 has a number of systems remarkably similar to commercial systems on board. Even in the military (only counting large aircraft, not fighters), over 90% of all accidents are take off and landing (fighters are more like 70-75% or so, maybe a little higher).

I am going to have to call BS on that. I live within 1 hr of Whiteman and within 5 mins of Arrowhead stadium and the Stealth Bomber makes solo trips over my home roughly twice a football season. So you might be right when speaking in actual operations but when it is doing promotional stuff it flies all alone here in Missouri.

Cosmocow
reply to post by OatDelphi

 

I believe the woman's show, she had dark hair. Hall said it should be standard on all airliners

Then that was Erin Burnetts show.

reply to post by Zaphod58


Well, that is a little more realistic to be honest.... If planes just started disappearing simultaneously that would be a little too obvious.

reply to post by OatDelphi


Again.... Reading comprehension? What's that? Did you actually READ any of that besides "B-2"? I mean REALLY read it?

Let's try this again.

Fighters, both stealth and non-stealth, unless they are in combat, are always flying with other aircraft (either tankers, or others of the same type). If there's an accident there is always another aircraft to report it. If they're shot down, then they're over hostile territory, and getting to the wreckage to recover it is going to be difficult at best, so they tend to bomb it (and since they know the flight path, they always have a pretty good idea of where they went missing).

The B-2 has a number of systems remarkably similar to commercial systems on board. Even in the military (only counting large aircraft, not fighters), over 90% of all accidents are take off and landing (fighters are more like 70-75% or so, maybe a little higher).

In what POSSIBLE world is the B-2 stealth bomber considered a fighter?

reply to post by KonquestAbySS


And them falling out of the sky suddenly, after YEARS of accident free flying wouldn't be?

squittles
reply to post by ThePeaceMaker

 

Expense - for overwater flights, they'd be streaming data via satellite at a fairly high rate - that would cost a lot for satellite time (a quick Google turned up a quote of a $300m annual cost for a global airline, based on a 2002 study by L-3, and another article from 2010 that says $3-5 a minute.)

www.nytimes.com...

I think a more reasonable approach is to boost the transmission range of flight data recorders - a 1-2 km detection range is almost useless in deep-water.

I can see the cost involved transmitting all the time.
What if they could devise a mechanism where the blackbox is uplinked to a satellite via a trip switch / pressure change / impact sensor etc? Like an air bag is on a car?

Just posting here also, for the record, that it's implausible to me that Iranians would have picked passports with names like Christian and Luigi if they wanted to avoid unwanted attention on the off-chance security actually worked at the airport they left? The fake/stolen passport market is surely better than this?

Hi,

Just joined, i have been silently reading and decided to have a look at the radar site the missing plane was visible on, anyway i understand abit about FR24 as i have been using it for a few years, anyway my attention to the missing plane and an interesting observation is - for all of its flight after leaving landfall it was on a track heading of 25deg, then suddenly and to sharp/sudden and to fast it suddenly changed track to 40deg and at the very same time it lost all altitude hight information then a few seconds later it went off screan.
All flights i have viewed and do view on FR24 Do not suddenly change position and heading-even a modest change of 15degrees would not happen suddenly, not even the fastest mill jet would achieve this.

Bilk22

ManiShuck
reply to post by Bilk22

 

An Australian news site has a much better article about it which doesn't mention CNN, so not sure about the email. They may just simply not want to have his picture out there per a request.

In the other article I found, it mentioned Mr. Ali coming forward to authorities to answer questions and no US authorities have tried to contact him. So it seems more and more like the stolen passports don't have anything to do with the disappearance (or, at least it's looking less likely than before).

Odd we're getting a tear jerk story of a guy who wants a new life near his mom? The guy had no problems getting in touch with black market operators dealing in stolen passports. Are we supposed to feel sorry for him now after getting on a fateful flight? The story sounds pretty rotten if you ask me.

Edit: Not want his pic out there? He's, at the very least, a criminal. He's also suspected to be dead. So what the deal with not wanting his pic out there?

edit on 09314Mondayk22 by Bilk22 because: (no reason given)

I think other family members wouldn't want pictures of their loves ones plastered on TV screens right now. That's where I think they're coming from (though I may be wrong, and CNN may also just not want to post it for one reason or another, nobody can tell). And call him a criminal, but if he's using a stolen passport to runaway from a country that murders innocent bystanders (Neda, during the 2009 protests), I think there is some lee-way there (at least in my opinion).

You don't have to feel sorry for anyone you don't want to, but just passing along info. This sort of thing appears to have happened on many other flights and none of them disappeared. People get desperate to escape a country and this is how it gets done. I also think we all should have learned from the Boston Marathon bombing that people jump to conclusions way too easily (like the runner who missed the race being blamed for the bombing, simply because of a picture).