Bernie Sanders Says He’d Make a Better President Than Hillary Clinton

reply to post by Chrisfishenstein


Exactly. The existence of multiple parties is one of the reasons why other democratic governments' democracy ratings are higher than the US (ie Canada). A two party system simply results in stagnation or homogenization within the government. That is pretty plain. Part of Sanders' plan in running for the presidency is an attempt to break that two party system through the strengthening of the Independent (Sanders has run as an Independent and won in Vermont for many years). He is, quite literally, attempting to buck that status quo.

www.thenation.com...

I agree that we're having really bad issues with our Congress and President becoming less and less responsive and representative of the people's interests. They seem to be, largely, more concerned about the stripping of the Constitution and cute sound bites for on air or youtube. That's disturbing. I am in total agreement with you. Injection of a third party would disrupt that because it would be a clear sign that they do still need to listen to us.

reply to post by WhiteAlice


If you will take notice of what I quoted you will note Sander's was not listed. I agree that he is not the normal corporate politician and has many outstanding qualifications to be a great presidential candidate.

But like Ron Paul he is viewed by many as a little nutty, which is an unfortunate issue that plays heavily on ones mind when voting for the next president. imho

reply to post by AlaskanDad


Yep, that is a big problem. Basically, anyone who is bucking against the "status quo" is considered to be slightly on the bent side. I liken the response of the public to someone who does step outside of the status quo to be similar to that scene in Inception where, upon detecting difference, the dream turns on the intruder making the changes.



That little scene could really be quite the metaphor of how society responds to outliers to the status quo, lol.

Chrisfishenstein
reply to post by AlaskanDad

 

Hillary Clinton Leads Jeb Bush, Chris Christie, Ted Cruz By Wide Margins In Presidential Poll

Oh GOD, Oh God, Oh God, Oh God.....That is the response running through my mind when I read these names for PRESIDENT!!!

Why can't we get a freaking normal, hard working person in office for once?

We are trapped in picking the lesser of all evils....Instead of the best for the job!

I hate our election process....

There is no such thing as a "freaking normal, hard working person" if their name has a (R) or a (D) behind it. Just corporate yes men and women.

Before I even address Bernie Sanders and how I view him and many who are pushing him, let me just make my feelings about Hillary clear right now. If Hillary Clinton wins the election of 2016, I will immediately rescind my citizenship as a U.S citizen and move to Iceland. It's not a threat, it's a promise. I think this nation is already done for all tenses and purposes, but if she takes office, I KNOW it is. You mark my words, if Hillary Clinton sits in the oval office, this nation is done.
Now, in regards to Bernie Sanders... The only thing I will say about him is that he's a career politician. A lot of people say the guy is a "game changer." Really? How in the hell is placing another CAREER politician in there going to be a "game changer?" Oh, I am sure he'll "change" a lot of things just like Obama has. I don't have much faith that much of it will be to the favor of U.S citizens or humanity in general.

reply to post by AlaskanDad


Your friend and I would get along just fine. I feel the same. To hell with a crooked ass career politician. I have no trust or use for any of them to speak of.

reply to post by SpeakerofTruth


I think we need to make and support a document:

We the people of the United States Declare a change to our political system/

and incorporate the following-

Campaign finance reform
Proportional representation
Code of ethics

But then that is just another pipe dream.

KawRider9
Col. Sanders would be a better president than Hillary Clinton!

Second line...

Yeah, but he's dead! Oh, well; doesn't matter- he's still be a better option.

I just may have to vote for him!

reply to post by AlaskanDad


It's not necessarily a pipedream.. That's basically what Iceland did. However, I don't have much faith that the average American has the gumption to do what Iceland did.

reply to post by nugget1


(Why does it look like her face is melting.....)

The progressive disease that she is infected with rots your brain from the inside out ! With her it is terminal and in late stage.

Much like the evil emperor in star wars that what happens when you join the dark side.

With Christie - look at the laws in Jersey and then say we want this guy to be influencing them on the National level. Those who like guns might want to look at the inconsistencies from him (shady guy). Hilary is worrying to me but clearly most American's see her as the leading choice. I would like to know why (the most salient so an easy pick)? If that is the reason - we have not gotten very far with making choices based on good research rather than exposure. I am holding out hope that discussion boards will light up and people will become enlightened in the U. S. I don't know much about the guy this thread is addressing so will do some research.

What I would like to see someone do is create some propaganda of what is most important when choosing a candidate to support.

1) should it be because they are well known via exposure?
2) should it be because they will fulfill all your dreams - too good to be true as can please the majority?
3) should it be because they promise some random thing such as "change"?
4) should it be because they seem smart?
5) should it be because they are leading in a poll?
6) should it be because your friends think you should?
7) should it be because they will fix it all and you won't have to sacrifice anything?
8) should it be based on their record with doing what they say they are going to do (integrity)?
9) should it be based on their commitment to put the government second and the people first (best for masses)?
10) should it be based on who is supporting them (financing them).

Etc...

What about an educational you tube video or some blogs on how to do your research on a candidate. The only reason people think their vote doesn't matter (hear this a lot), is because when the majority don't know how to be an informed voter (vote on emotion), it makes it frustrating. The biggest difference we can make it to help people understand (not sway their opinion but just make sure if they are going to vote they are doing so consciously).

reply to post by SpeakerofTruth


It's good to dream about the change that took place in Iceland.

It was so much better than our change, obama and the most dysfunctional congress I have ever seen.

reply to post by AlaskanDad


I really wanted Bernie to run against Obama in 2012. Hillary will only be barely measurably better than any Republican that looks to be jockeying for the role. Bernie is awesome and has a fantastic record to stand on. Even better is that he has a clear bead on what has happened to both party's over the past 20 or so years and I think he will be able to open the eyes of party loyal Democrats. He will be able to call Hillary on her false liberalism, her false progressivism in a way that people will stop dead in their mantra's and say oh yeah, he's right, like a fog lifting from their eyes. Politicians have been terrified to appear Left of center ever since Carter lost his second term. Bernie's not afraid of where his votes, values and words place him on the spectrum and if nothing else, if he isn't able to entirely break the hypnotic mantra of must vote democrat than he'll at least have awakened some for the next go.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

He's a socialist and doesn't hide from it.

No. He's a Democratic Socialist, there's a huge difference. Democratic Socialism is really difficult to define, there's lots of varieties there some like Bernie, are not anti-capitalist. Further, socialism isn't illegal, dirty or something to be ashamed of so why would anyone hide from it? Oh right... gotta keep up the myth of 'they're all socialists in secret'. *yawn*

I don't agree with a thing he stands for and I'd fight everything to the last breath on principle alone (and yes..I have looked into this guy, as an individual, in some depth...it's not a general catch all statement).

Right. So, top 3 for you? Top 3 things that he's for that you'll fight to your last breath on principle?

reply to post by kx12x

One Socialist in the WH is enough for me.

So when did Obama push to change the economy to a worker owned economy? When did he do the slightest thing to strengthen labor in the US? Rather, Obama has strengthened the privatization of government... which by the way all status quo potential POTUS candidates will also do and have in their current roles. Private mercenary armies carrying out missions where we are at war, corporate appointments to various agencies and courts, turning a blind eye to the criminality of Wall Street.

AlaskanDad


But then there is this scary new poll:

Hillary Clinton Leads Jeb Bush, Chris Christie, Ted Cruz By Wide Margins In Presidential Poll

This is because Jeb Bush is the only one out of all of those listed who isn't a joke and there's no way he's going to get elected being a Bush. If the Republicans don't find a candidate who isn't a complete joke by the time the election rolls around, we're gonna be stuck with another 8 years of liberalism. That's if Obama doesn't declare himself supreme leader or something before that.

reply to post by Kali74


A couple questions for you:

1) do you think Sanders has any chance to win the presidency?

2) will sanders siphon off enough democrat voters to harm Hillary's chance of election?

I am quite interested in hearing your opinions


reply to post by BrianFlanders


To bad jr bush was president it really messed up jeb's shot at it.

reply to post by AlaskanDad


It's really hard to say, my heart says yes absolutely he can. My head says... maybe. The maybe is because of the people. Many people don't even vote, can't stomach politics to the point of being seriously uneducated on what's what. Then there's voters who suffer from party loyalty which may be a reason for him to run as a Dem.

If he runs Democrat he will reach that bloc without losing voters like myself who have disenfranchised from the Democrats because of their shift Right and into corporate servitude, such voters will fully understand why he might choose to run as a D. If he runs as a Democrat that is his best shot IMO, he will reach the loyalists who have been craving something they can't name, something unnamed they've realized Obama fell far, far short of even if they can't define it. This way he will also reach the Left that vote Democrat because they're too afraid not to, they see voting Democrat as a must because they think it's the only way to stop the Rightward shift of the US, many of that bloc were already seeing the fallacy of that thinking though.

Last, though I am so loathe to say it, there's the women. Hillary will win a lot of support from women simply because she is a woman and the GOP war on women (very real) has legitimized the need for feminists in politics. The war on women has galvanized a lot of women's issues-centric voters. That was a huge mistake for the entire Right, and ultimately the whole country may pay the price for it for generations to come.

By default Bernie will have to stump more for women's issues than is warranted, choosing a woman for a running mate would go a long way to help and luckily he has such an option if she's willing, someone that people have been whispering about being president someday herself and someone that is so perfectly matched with Bernie it's almost like divine intervention (LOL).

It's really dependent on how correct Bernie is that Americans are ready for a political revolution. Many are, but is many enough? Too hard to say, most want it but will many buck their fears?

reply to post by Kali74


Great reply, I would add that there are surprising numbers of our young voters that were disappointed with the two party system and are voicing dissatisfaction with obama as they have realized the dems are no longer for the people. I made this post hoping to hear how liberal voters felt about hillary, as it seems the masters want her in the white house and they have made that clear.

reply to post by AlaskanDad


Hillary has proven herself to the puppeteers, makes one wonder how organic the GOP war on women was. It's funny how targeted attacks work, isn't it? In this case, fuel the emotions of the Right on abortion and birth control which isn't too hard considering that it's doctrine that if a woman has multiple sex partners or just happens to enjoy sex she is a slut. Conversely tell any demographic they can't do a thing, or shouldn't do a thing or you should be ashamed of that thing... that demographic will say "Oh, really? Watch me." But fools do what fools do best and just run with something without looking. Conservative fools will scream women can't have rights over their bodies that insurance shouldn't cover birth control and ohhhhh think of the unborn why don't they have rights? Liberal fools will see Hillary who is an extremely smart woman, firm in those particulars and who is an absolute master at shutting down people that argue with her on anything in that exact way that makes you smile and say hah get 'em... I can't help it myself and I hate her... anyway they will look at that and not much else.

Bernie is big on equality and that could be seen as being weak on women's issues, or minority issues but I think he is more than capable of controlling that narrative. He's pretty damn good with soundbites too, saying a lot with few words. If you've never seen him I suggest doing so. I can see him saying something on abortion like, 'it's important to maintain a woman's right to make decisions about her own body, thus we need to stop accepting that government has any say in the matter at all, government has gotten far too intrusive in the private lives of citizens.'

reply to post by Kali74


You know, I had the whackiest and most crazy idea last night where an Independent ticket for Bernie might be viable. What are some of the most consistent and pressing concerns for people in the US? Patriot Act, Governmental overreach, Fed Reserve issues, issues with voting, NSA surveillance, corporate "personhood", and, perhaps most importantly, a lack of working together by both ends of the spectrum within our government. There are actually two men within our government who have had a long track record of being very openly concerned about these things while on opposite sides of the aisle and have a decent amount of popularity. Their opinions on some aspects are very disparate but if they were to run under a joint banner of "cleaning up the government and its potential abuses" as their primary platform and work together, they'd have a chance of winning under an independent ticket.

Maybe I've gone nuts but how about a Sanders/Paul or Paul/Sanders ticket? They worked together to go after the Federal Reserve a few years ago. They don't hate each other and Paul's libertarian stance would actually offset Sander's democratic socialism stance so that, perhaps between the two of them they could figure out what might be the best of both worlds. If nothing else, it would be two men across the aisles from each other pledging to work together on the common issues.

Like I said, maybe my brain misfired but when I had that thought pop into my head, it really tickled my brain. If they did that, they could possibly win.

reply to post by WhiteAlice


There's a lot of things I agree with Ron Paul about but there's also many things that I don't and the things I don't are deal breakers. I suspect much is the same for liberals and leftists. And then there's Ron Paul's cult following that no politician, I suspect even Paul himself wants to touch with a 20 foot pole.

Elizabeth Warren is his perfect running mate. Which is a win and a loss for libs and lefties. She is desperately needed in both the Senate and the White House. In fact there's exactly equal calls among us, for her to run on her own, as Bernie's running mate and to stay in the Senate. The Senate seat will likely win out because Dems and their voters have dropped the ball with the midterms, shockingly with all the GOP has done and said and with all their obstructionism they may very well take the Senate, already they have the House thanks to gerrymandering, even with overwhelming turn out for Dems it is mathematically impossible for Dems to ever gain control of the House.