China ups military spend by 12 percent. Are the gloves coming off?

Prepare yourselves for an 'inconvenient truth'

China made headlines today with its annual military budget, up 12.2 percent to $132 billion dollars this year. That's about one quarter of the $495 billion military budget that President Obama presented to Congress yesterday

www.csmonitor.com...

So while the US cuts it's defense forces, and defense spending. The rest of the world modernizes, and continues to build up theirs.

I hear all the time how the US spends more on defense than everyone else!

Well that easy to explain.

REAL EASY!

If your like China, and the state owns all business you can build a military on the 'cheap'.

If your like the EU hell their military's are so small it doesn't cost that much to build, and maintain them.

America will be 'leading' from behind, and guess who is going to be the new 'world cop' ?

Two answers:

Either Russia or China.

Hope you enjoy the 'new world order' because it sure isn't going to be a pretty picture.

neo96

Either Russia or China.

Hope you enjoy the 'new world order' because it sure isn't going to be a pretty picture.

edit on 5-3-2014 by neo96 because: (no reason given)

Can't wait for it to happen! I am already stocking up on Vodka for the celebration.

reply to post by neo96


China could double their military spending and they still would't come close to what the US spends on defence....so I'd hardly characterize it as "taking the gloves off". When they up their military budget to 680 billion a year...then you can panic.

Given the last 12 years of American illegal wars of agression and the US's love of threatening military intervention anywhere it pleases, it is logical that China would want to look to it's security, and beef up it's military.

Here's an inconvenient truth: China is hundreds (if not - thousands) of ships and dozens of years away from being able to put significant boots-on-ground, or project any conventional force outside their own borders.

reply to post by deadcalm

China could double their military spending and they still would't come close to what the US spends on defence

Guess you missed the comment about the state owning business in China.

They can't be compared.

No country can be compared for the simple fact different populations,different GDP, and different forms of government.

And the fact that no currency in the world has the same dollar value.

But who cares keep pushing dogma sounds better than reality doesn't it ?

0zzymand0s
Here's an inconvenient truth: China is hundreds (if not - thousands) of ships and dozens of years away from being able to put significant boots-on-ground, or project any conventional force outside their own borders.

And that makes all the difference. I see neither in Russia nor in China a desire to mess around all over the globe.

Guenter

neo96

Either Russia or China.

Hope you enjoy the 'new world order' because it sure isn't going to be a pretty picture.

edit on 5-3-2014 by neo96 because: (no reason given)

Can't wait for it to happen! I am already stocking up on Vodka for the celebration.

Yeah they sure are 'celebrating' in Georgia, and Ukraine aren't they ?

reply to post by neo96


Well the pro USA/NATO guys are whining but the rest sure has a god party.

Guenter

0zzymand0s
Here's an inconvenient truth: China is hundreds (if not - thousands) of ships and dozens of years away from being able to put significant boots-on-ground, or project any conventional force outside their own borders.

And that makes all the difference. I see neither in Russia nor in China a desire to mess around all over the globe.

Haven't been paying attention to China flexing it's 'muscle' in the 'South China Sea' ?

Missed the fact that both Russia, China have been are all over the globe right now especially in places like Syria, and Iraq, and Afghanistan, and Iran.

No desire ?

They both have been right in the thick of it for the last decade.

Guenter
reply to post by neo96

 

Well the pro USA/NATO guys are whining but the rest sure has a god party.

I can't figure out why so many people have their rose color glasses on about either Russia, and China.

People think the US/Nato is 'bad' they ain't seen nothing yet.

neo96

Guenter

0zzymand0s
Here's an inconvenient truth: China is hundreds (if not - thousands) of ships and dozens of years away from being able to put significant boots-on-ground, or project any conventional force outside their own borders.

And that makes all the difference. I see neither in Russia nor in China a desire to mess around all over the globe.

Haven't been paying attention to China flexing it's 'muscle' in the 'South China Sea' ?

Missed the fact that both Russia, China have been are all over the globe right now especially in places like Syria, and Iraq, and Afghanistan, and Iran.

No desire ?

They both have been right in the thick of it for the last decade.

And what about the USA? All above mentioned places seem to be damn close to the borders of Russia and China, while above mentioned places are a few oceans away from the USA ... pretty obvious which country is in the wrong places. And it aint China or Russia.

0zzymand0s
Here's an inconvenient truth: China is hundreds (if not - thousands) of ships and dozens of years away from being able to put significant boots-on-ground, or project any conventional force outside their own borders.

do not underestimate china. they are resourceful.

reply to post by neo96


Right wing ideology doesn't make it truth or inconvenient.

Here is a run down on the EU military: Wiki....

And here is NATO: wiki...

Not so small or cheap.

reply to post by Guenter

. pretty obvious which country is in the wrong places

I agree it is rather obvious who is in the wrong places.

Russia, and China

reply to post by taoistguy


Of course they are. As soon as someone in the West invents a star gate, they will figure out a way to make one cheaper and mass produce it. In the meantime, it still takes planes and ships to transport large groups of soldiers across the water, and China has neither (in any significant quantity).

LDragonFire
reply to post by neo96

 

Right wing ideology doesn't make it truth or inconvenient.

Here is a run down on the EU military: Wiki....

And here is NATO: wiki...

Not so small or cheap.

So what part of fiat currency do people not understand ?

Also what part do people not understand that the US has a larger population than the EU ?

We have a larger GDP.

Which means we have more to lose.

Than they do.

As to right wing 'ideology' like cutting defense to pay for social engineering programs that grows government even BIGGER ?

We aren't going to be spending less we will be spending more.

And we are already spending more on those than everyone else.

0zzymand0s
reply to post by taoistguy

 

Of course they are. As soon as someone in the West invents a star gate, they will figure out a way to make one cheaper and mass produce it. In the meantime, it still takes planes and ships to transport large groups of soldiers across the water, and China has neither (in any significant quantity).

And China has throughout its 1,000's of years history never shown any significant interest of expansion. It's not in their "soul".

reply to post by neo96


So according to your article we are spending $495 billion.

China is spending $132 billion and according to this site Russia spends around $77 billion so even if they became the closest of friends they are spending a combined $209 billion compared to our $495 billion.

Egads!!!!

Russia Military Strength

neo96

Also what part do people not understand that the US has a larger population than the EU ?

Really?

USA: WIKI: - 2013 estimate 317,638,000

EY: WIKI: - - 2012 estimate 507,890,191

try again

China has been building a war front for years.

It all started with the precious metals market.