Ukraine, is this prophecy being fulfilled?

darkbake
reply to post by borntowatch

 

I see, you are asking a good and legitimate question, and that is how this event would play out in the most official view of end-time prophecy. I don't think that requires being a Christian to be interested in. I am interested. In fact, I wish I knew more of the details and I was thinking of researching it a few days ago.

Off the top of my head, I have heard of these things:

*An army from the East (Russia or China) will eventually invade Israel and the Middle-Eastern areas

*The capitol of Syria, Damascus, will fall and be destroyed at some point

*The part about the peace treaty and the rebuilding of the Jewish temple, something to do with the Dome of the Rock

*7 years of Tribulation, with the halfway point being marked by the breaking of the treaty

*Someone possibly rising as a Muslim leader

Those are the pieces I remember from various sources, but they are good starting points.

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Again where do you get this info on russia attacking israel? Your the second person to mention it but no one puts links or gives directions on where to find it.

I am not saying your a lier, I am just asking for the proof so that we all can find out were the source is and determin if the information is true or not.

reply to post by snypwsd


Ever read things and then are not able to find them later?

Yeah, I've read that Russia is the bear of Revelation and that Russia is one of the parties of Gog/Magog war. I've also read that Russia is not one of the parties of this war, too.

If Russia is one of the parties of the Gog/Magog war, then this is what everyone refers to when they talk about Russia getting involved in a war with Israel, and given the current geopolitical circumstance in the ME, it could happen.

Russia is Iran's ally and both parties are interested in building a pipeline for natural gas to the sea. Israel has also uncovered vast new natural gas reserves that they are sitting on in addition to blocking that intended Russo-Iranian pipeline. Russia has strong, vested interests in becoming the sole controlling interest in natural gas in the Eastern hemisphere. It powers their economy much like oil powers the economies of the Middle East now.

Iran just plain wants Israel gone.

So, is it so hard to think that we could see a circumstance similar to what we are seeing with the Ukraine today whereby the Iranians and the Russians decide to pacify Syria (remember that the Russians have a large military base there and Iran controls several puppet interests in the nation, "legitimate" and not) and Israel is suddenly faced with a large, joint military force on its borders with an "incident?"

Gog/Magog ...

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I looked into this a little bit and also found out that israelis jets took out a shipment of russian missiles. Its almost as if Israel is eggin on russia and Iran. Maybe they are trying to make people think that this is the end times by egging on Russia and Iran.

Could they fake or force a prophecy by doing something like that?

You mean Obama making War in the name of peace? Now that would fit.

borntowatch

How could this play out in a biblical timeline.

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Yes thank you non believers, I know you think all this is bunk and myth, but some have been watching the signs and see a more than just coincidences.

Am I the only one?

I wanted to get the crux of the matter so I only quoted the relative parts.

No there is no "biblical" timeline of "prophecy" which you are alluding to.The scriptures say NOTHING of this.That is only the interpretations that have taken so many forms and beliefs that have proven false over and over it should be obvious.The fact is the scriptures and especially the book of Revelation are NOT predictive or prophetic of past ,present future historical events.

There is ABSOLUTELY nothing to fear nor ANY truth to be gained from believing these fallacies.They are not true.Yahoshua was not referring to them in the gospels nor in Revelation.The 1st verse of Revelation clearly states the book is written in "symbols" (signs).They are allegorical and metaphors.There is no literal "Red dragon or THE Antichrist(which isn't even in Revelation at all!).

The book of Revelation is about ONE thing.Yahoshua...which means Yahweh(the creator God) "IS" salvation(deliverance).John was told to write(take dictation)of an allegorical metaphor of the "process" of ALL of
mankind's salvation.

To interpret some of the "symbols" as literal and others as not is not the Truth.The name of the book(which was given to it because of the v 1st verse) is
The "apocalypse"..which means the unveiling or uncovering or revealing

of Yahoshua...Yahweh's deliverance( is salvation)

christ....which means anointing...the power of God..all together.

The unveiling of Gods deliverance the power of God.

nothing more...nothing less.It IS NOT predictions or prophecies of "literal" historical events.The battle of "Armageddon" is not a literal war between God and Satan...it is the "war between your ears"!....It is being "fought" by EVERY human.It is the nature of man(the adversary)...and that nature is ..Religion!Every mans personal "Belief System".

Revelation is the "unveiling" of it's "process".Like the stages of the conception of a physical human being.The "micro" or inner process is being confused(the meaning of babel or Babylon) with the macro.Just like you "human conception" that stared with your "fathers" sperm you were just ONE spermatozoon that survived and made it to the egg and "impregnated it and became a zygote(the root of which is marriage).Then your cells started splitting and eventually you became an embryo then a fetus then when you could no longer "live" in your mothers womb were "born" as a human baby.

The process of "salvation" is essentially the same.You are being "formed" to be "delivered into the new birth to LIVE!None have been "saved"/delivered yet.EVERYONE is still in the womb.Some have not successfully swam up the fallopian tube to impregnate an egg(and can't consciously do that).

ALL of the process of the conception to birth are 100% out of your control.There is nothing to fear.You WILL be born (as will everyone).You can't alter the process.Nature will run it's course without your input.

The bottom line is the reason these prophecies of the "apocalypse" never come to fruition or ever will is because they are not true.It is only your "Belief System" and just like a 5 year boy believes he will "never like" those icky girls (or other boys) you will eventually get over it and see that was just foolishness of ignorance.

I'm not condemning anyone.Those "beliefs" are part of the process" of many.I have no idea when the "many" see the truth and realize what they Believe is not true.It would be nice if they did before they die however I'm sure many won't.They can be told by others that what they believe isn't true and for the most part that makes most of them believe the untruth ....even more!

That doesn't mean they should not be told the truth even though they have very little chance of receiving the benefits of the truth.Some will eventually hear(from the creator God not man) and they will be relieved of their "apocalyptic" fear of doom and gloom.

My point is.... it is best to stay away from this "firestorm" of conjecture(the Apocalypse) because it is IMPOSSIBLE to not get burned.I guarantee ANYTHING can be read into.The book of Revelation is NOT about a "great Apocalypse last time end of the world".Even it it was (and it isn't) there is ZERO anyone could do about it.

My reasonable suggestion is ..to live your life.There will be "plenty" of tribulations right in front of you to deal with.To exacerbate it with more"tribulation' completely out of control is not reasonable at all.You will die soon enough and eventual know the Truth.There should be no rush to experience"then" when the fact is ALL you can ever experience is NOW(btw NOT eastern philosophy)

The goods news is ALL of mankind is BEING delivered(saved) to LIFE..not just some.There is NOTHING anyone can contribute AT all to ANYONES elses salvation nor their own!!.It is ALL being done by the creator God....that is truly GOOD NEWS!!

Russia
10 'Thus says the Lord God: "On that day it shall come to pass that thoughts will arise in your mind, and you will make an evil plan: 11 You will say, 'I will go up against a land of unwalled villages; I will go to a peaceful people, who dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates' — 12 to take plunder and to take booty, to stretch out your hand against the waste places that are again inhabited, and against a people gathered from the nations, who have acquired livestock and goods, who dwell in the midst of the land. 13 Sheba, Dedan, the merchants of Tarshish, and all their young lions will say to you, 'Have you come to take plunder? Have you gathered your army to take booty, to carry away silver and gold, to take away livestock and goods, to take great plunder?'"' (Ezekiel 38:1-13)

39 “And you, son of man, prophesy against Gog (Russa) and say, Thus says the Lord God: Behold, I am against you, O Gog, chief prince of Meshech[a] and Tubal. 2 And I will turn you about and drive you forward, and bring you up from the uttermost parts of the north, and lead you against the mountains of Israel. 3 Then I will strike your bow from your left hand, and will make your arrows drop out of your right hand. 4 You shall fall on the mountains of Israel, you and all your hordes and the peoples who are with you. I will give you to birds of prey of every sort and to the beasts of the field to be devoured. 5 You shall fall in the open field, forI have spoken, declares the Lord God. 6 I will send fire on Magog and on those who dwell securely in the coastlands, and they shall know that I am the Lord.
7 “And my holy name I will make known in the midst of my people Israel, and I will not let my holy name be profaned anymore. And the nations shall know that I am the Lord, the Holy One in Israel. 8 Behold, it is coming and it will be brought about, declares the Lord God. That is the day of which I have spoken.

Ukraine to Russia,
'Have you come to take plunder? Have you gathered your army to take booty, to carry away silver and gold, to take away livestock and goods, to take great plunder?'"' (Ezekiel 38:1-13)

Mitar Tarabich, Serbian Prophet

I believe that the mountain with the three crosses that Tarabich described is in Mattawa, Ontario, Canada. He stated,
"When people start to pray more, they will be closer to God's wisdom, but it will be too late, because the evil ones will already have ravaged the whole earth and men will start to die in great numbers. Then people will run away from the towns to the country and look for the mountains with three crosses, and there, inside, they will be able to breathe and drink water. Those who escape will save themselves and their families, but not for long, because a great famine will appear. There will be plenty of food in the towns and villages, but it will be poisoned. Many will eat it from hunger and die immediately. Those who fast to the end will survive, because the Holy Spirit will save them and they will be close to God.

The greatest and the angriest will strike the mightiest and the most furious. When that horrible war starts, woe to the armies that fly in the skies. Those who fight on the earth and the water will be better off.

"At that time, far away in the Russian mountains, a young man named Michael will appear. He will have a bright face and his entire appearance will radiate mercy. He will go to the nearest monastery and ring all the monastery bells. To those who gather around him there, he will say; ‘You forgot who I am, that I did not die, but am alive’. Mikhail will go everywhere, but mostly he will live in Constantinople. Let him who has ears hear."

If these are just words to you, I can't help you and I will never convince you of otherwise. But I will echo the words,

"To the people who will gather around him, he will say:

“You have forgotten who I am and that I did not die, but alive went to heaven.” and people will look upon him and say:

“We did not, we did not, you are the holy Archangel Michael”

“You have crucified the Divine Man and the Son of God even though we had given you minds to think and love everything around you. You became beasts and murderers! I did not come to force you by fear to believe, but I came to make you understand! There are no more rich and poor and you are still hating, fighting and killing each other. You have forgotten your soul!”

Then all nations will follow Michael and the world will become a real Eden. There will be food everywhere, in rivers, seas, and forests. Those who will be born then will live happily and for so long that they will forget when they were born.

Michael will be everywhere, but most of the time in Constantinople, until all people become one language and one faith. Then satisfied, he will go back to heaven".

"And do you know, my godfather, what human intelligence is, compared to God’s will and knowledge? Not even one drop in the ocean."

snypwsd


I understand that YOU yourself are not making a prophecy, that is clear, no one denies it. But your are talking about a prophecy and trying to relate it to Russia and Ukraine, are you not? So why start a thread about a prophecy but then denie that it is a prophecy? Thats what I dont understand.

I am talking about prophecy thanks.
What I am doing is talking about prophecy and asking those who may understand prophecy in the bible if they see a link.

I am not trying to relate it to Russia at all.
I am relating it to the worlds situation at the present time

All I am saying is that this could possibly be a biblical road marker.
So why start the thread?
I think its possible something very interesting will come of this action and wanted to hear other Christian's views.
Your welcome to comment of course but I dont think you understand what we think.

Funny how someone suggested Christians dont want peace, so opposed "the man of peace"
(the man who promises peace but brings destruction, dont be fooled)

Well the peace Christians want just doesnt come from talking and politics.

Peace comes when justice, true justice is dispensed. Your "peace' man cant offer that.

snypwsd
reply to post by ketsuko

 

I looked into this a little bit and also found out that israelis jets took out a shipment of russian missiles. Its almost as if Israel is eggin on russia and Iran. Maybe they are trying to make people think that this is the end times by egging on Russia and Iran.

Could they fake or force a prophecy by doing something like that?

Well, I guess it depends on your perspective. The Israelis live in a tiny country surrounded by people who howl for their blood every day and they take a very pro-active view on their own defense.

Unlike here in the US where being conquered mostly means contemplating having to swap one political system for anther, the Israelis have been set up to be surrounded by people whose rhetoric indicates they would like nothing better than genocide, not subjugation.

So I can't exactly blame them for being that way.

reply to post by Rex282



Well thanks for that sound non biblical advice

Here is some suggesting that we are to keep watch, be on guard
Mat 24:36-42 (NIV) "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left. Therefore, keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come."

Mat 24:43-44 (NIV) "But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him."

Mat 24:45-51 (NIV) "Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. I tell you the truth, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, 'My master is staying away for a long time,' and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and grinding of teeth."

Luke 21:34-36 (Phi) "Be on your guard--see to it that your minds are never clouded by dissipation or drunkenness or the worries of this life, or else that day may catch you like the springing of a trap--for it will come upon every inhabitant of the whole earth. You must be vigilant at all times, praying that you may be strong enough to come safely through all that is going to happen, and stand in the presence of the Son of Man."




Your choice
God bless you

I expect Russia to assert itself and forcefully take Ukraine back into the fold. Not much more than a whimper will come from the current US administration. Perhaps they will take more countries, maybe not. What this will do is embolden the ruthless kingdoms in the Middle East which hunger for war. They will rile themselves into a fury with the confidence that Russia will keep the US and Europe from retaliating and Israel will be in their sights. They will attack Israel, and they will learn a harsh lesson. Then the peace broker shall arise.

No, this is not a fulfillment of prophecy. There is no Biblical prophecy about Russia invading the Ukraine.

There IS a connection to Israel; Ukraine/Israeli dual citizens being behind the protests against the Ukraine government, but that's as far as any connection to Israel goes.

Every time someone in Russia farts, people haul out Ezekiel 38 and 39 and claim that Russia is going to invade Israel. Not gonna happen, because of Mutually Assured Destruction. Israel has hundreds of nukes. If you read those chapters you see that it says that Israel is "a land without bars or gates," "dwelling in peace and safety." Does that sound like Israel today? Furthermore, this prophesied "invasion" of Israel serves no geopolitical purpose in the modern world.

Gog and Magog are not Russia, anyway. They refer to the ethnic peoples around the Black Sea, such as the Ashkenazi.

Nothing in the news today looks anything like that prophecy, unless you think that the Ukraine is going to invade Israel with swords and horses and no air force or navy-because those are the only weapons mentioned in Ezekiel 38-39.

Snsoc
No, this is not a fulfillment of prophecy. There is no Biblical prophecy about Russia invading the Ukraine.

There IS a connection to Israel; Ukraine/Israeli dual citizens being behind the protests against the Ukraine government, but that's as far as any connection to Israel goes.

Every time someone in Russia farts, people haul out Ezekiel 38 and 39 and claim that Russia is going to invade Israel. Not gonna happen, because of Mutually Assured Destruction. Israel has hundreds of nukes. If you read those chapters you see that it says that Israel is "a land without bars or gates," "dwelling in peace and safety." Does that sound like Israel today? Furthermore, this prophesied "invasion" of Israel serves no geopolitical purpose in the modern world.

Gog and Magog are not Russia, anyway. They refer to the ethnic peoples around the Black Sea, such as the Ashkenazi.

Nothing in the news today looks anything like that prophecy, unless you think that the Ukraine is going to invade Israel with swords and horses and no air force or navy-because those are the only weapons mentioned in Ezekiel 38-39.

I am sorry but I dont think any of my comments had anything to do with Russia and Israel, how do you see my comments aligning with your statement.

Russian flatulence aside, I was just asking if others see this action as a precursor to a more sinister event (maybe the one you referenced) happening in the near future.

Just assumption and conjecture, no need to get all riled up.

reply to post by borntowatch


If it is, then it's being fulfilled for the second time. The Crimean War

reply to post by borntowatch


If you are refering to the Gog of Magog prophecy, then no. We as chhristians will not be on earth to see OT prophecy unfold. OT prophecy can not happen during the Church Age. The 1948-67 establishment of Israel is not prophecy, its the League of Nations/UN sticking its nose where it doesnt belong.

There are Church Age prophets and prophecies, but I dont know if this Ukrainian dispute qualifies.

BELIEVERpriest
reply to post by borntowatch

 

If you are refering to the Gog of Magog prophecy, then no. We as chhristians will not be on earth to see OT prophecy unfold. OT prophecy can not happen during the Church Age. The 1948-67 establishment of Israel is not prophecy, its the League of Nations/UN sticking its nose where it doesnt belong.

There are Church Age prophets and prophecies, but I dont know if this Ukrainian dispute qualifies.

We wont be here?
I dont doubt the possibilities of God removing His people, but what % of Christians are truly Christians.
What makes you think you know exactly (roughly) when God will take Christians away.

and then again I was probably just asking is this action a direct lead up to the Gog Magog prophecy. Why cant OT prophecy happen during the church age?

What people are failing to recognize is that there is a systematic connection to these things. Not because it has to be so, but because people are making it so. Albert Einstein said you "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them". Quantum mechanics asserts that our third dimensional universe, contains at its very core the elements for parallel universes. This is the scientific manifestation of the concept of human choice (free will). Understand the American public largely holds Christian values, hence why politicians and youtube preachers and conspiracy theorists are able to use biblical scripture to shape public opinion. Science says "Big Bang", I say God's recognition of the deity's own consciousness that allowed for self-analysis and ultimately the manifestation of the various dimensions. What I am getting at is that the very fundamentals of what what society holds as provable fact is little more than the re-purposing of formerly held beliefs with the assumption that repetition constitutes somehow as objective fact.

Nobody wants to readily admit that our societal structure is inherently flawed. People who hold governance in their own person, do not need representatives to act on their behalf. Though this process is deemed justified by way of a "social contract", I'll call it for what it truly is, willful oppression. I stand by the principles of Capitalism, under the consideration that the system represents specialization and human potential, I however cannot stand for the continued acceptance of imposed scarcity by way of monopolistic interests. It is not a Communistic philosophy to say people deserve a house over their head, food on their table and meaningful human interaction. On the contrary those are the very ideals preserved in the notion of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I care very little about the medium which is used to allow for such conditions, but as far as I'm concerned, life is an inherent human right. The only role of a government should be the preservation of human life. I remember first learning about Nikola Tesla on this very site, in addition to the conspiracies surrounding the suppression of free energy technologies. If I ask cui bono, "who benefits" from this suppression, I would say probably the very same people who don't think you can meaningfully represent yourselves in a greater organization as your own sovereign.

Will prophecies give you all the answers? No. But at the very least you will understand the big picture motive (blue-print) behind what is often viewed as seemingly unrelated events. Why? Because, there's nothing you can say or do that hasn't been said or done before. This concept is the Conservation Principle in Science, The law implies that mass can neither be created nor destroyed, although it may be rearranged in space. If you replace "mass" with consciousness, you just validated the existence of God. If a prophecy from a book is fulfilled it confirms one overarching fact, nobody has an original thought of their own. If Jesus is saying that it is only through him (his path of self-sacrifice) and carrying our own cross that we may enter heaven, it puts into perspective what he meant in John 8:23, "You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. Jesus understood very well, our souls are trapped in these bodies and the only purpose of this plane is to test if we can overcome our own selfish materialism. Thus we see this theme repeated throughout various holy doctrines throughout the world. Then again I could be completely wrong about everything, so I ask you, what does that say about people who society deems as credible? More importantly, why are people handsomely rewarded with illusory money for upholding ignorant stereotypes? Cui bono?

"And do you know, my godfather, what human intelligence is, compared to God's will and knowledge? Not even one drop in the ocean."

reply to post by borntowatch


I dont know what percentage of "christians" are really believers, I was refering to the true Church, how ever many that is.

Israel only has the 70th week left on its clock. Therefore, Age of Israel prophecies must be fulfilled during the remaining 7 years of the Age of Israel. The 1948-67 establishment is not occupying the Age of Israel, as the Church is still here.

The Gog of Magog war happens just before the 2nd Advent. We know this because the a world wide earthquake dissrupts the invasion. The earth only shakes once more. The first shaking was the flood, the second shaking is the 2nd Advent (see Haggai 2). The sixth seal is a summary of the second advent. In fact, the seals are a summary of human history from the Church Age to the 2nd advent. The tribulation doesnt actually start in detail until the first trumpet.

So basically, if this Ukrainian drama is in any way connected to the Gog of Magog invasion, it will take at least 7 years to reach full maturity.

snypwsd
reply to post by ketsuko

 

I looked into this a little bit and also found out that israelis jets took out a shipment of russian missiles. Its almost as if Israel is eggin on russia and Iran. Maybe they are trying to make people think that this is the end times by egging on Russia and Iran.

Could they fake or force a prophecy by doing something like that?

The modern State of Israel is a counterfiet of prophecy that cannot be fulfilled in THIS age. The same goes for the more recent unification of Europe, the Blood Moon Tetrad, the RFID chip. These things may be contributing factors that may give rise to prophecy in the next age, but for now, they are just tools to politically radicalize Christians into backing the Zionist adgenda.

The whole thing (including the Ukrainian drama) is one big psychological game. Israel will not be regathered until Jesus does so Himself at His return, and the Gog of Magog invasion will not occur until Jerusalem is an unwalled city existing in tranquillity.

Perhaps it isn't so much what is going on with Russia, but what is going on at the same time?

While we are all busy with Russia, have you seen what else is happening?

www.bloombergview.com...
Obama to Israel -- Time Is Running Out

When Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin
Netanyahu visits the White House tomorrow,
President Barack Obama will tell him that his
country could face a bleak future -- one of
international isolation and demographic
disaster -- if he refuses to endorse a U.S.-
drafted framework agreement for peace with
the Palestinians.

Hm. So, we have Obama going to Israel, we all know about that trip, and the huge significances it held. Now, we have this, a forced Peace initiative. Do it, or else.

When all countries abandon Israel, is this the time? Is he not, for all intents and purposes, saying as much?

Right now, three articles about this on Drudgereport. How Obama, Man of Peace, is "warning" Israel.

Do not be so busy watching what the right hand is doing, that you miss the left hand.

Russia. Oh, look, a shiny!

m.weeklystandard.com...

Obama's Scary Interview


news.yahoo.com...;_ylt=AwrBJR_vEBRTRisAdkvQtDMD

Obama warns Israel time is running out

www.cbsnews.com...

US Pushing Israel To Stop Assassinating Iranian Nuclear Scientists

WASHINGTON -- As Israel's Prime
Minister Benjamin Netanyahu flies to
Washington - due to arrive on Sunday
(March 2), to prepare for talks with
President Barack Obama at the White
House on Monday - it's clear that there
are several points of friction between
Israel and the United States.

Do not be lulled by this red herring. America will be going through its worst time in the next 2 years. What ever is left of it will fall on 9/16/2016. Its time to make God our priority.

www.abovetopsecret.com...