Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

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Foxtrot7x
Lol you are so hypocritical !! Tell me one thing . Why did russia even invade crimea ? Did they as you so put it 'invade' russia ? NO ? So why is russian military even in crimea apart from the numbers agreed ?
Now if you say they felt threatened by neo fascists in kiev why does that matter. Those neo fascist did not 'invade' russia did they ? Lol eat your own words hahaha !!

You can you invade your own base?

I know yanks have Friendly Fire perfected but I don't think Russians are that poor of an aim.

edit on 17-3-2014 by shappy because: (no reason given)

Hahahahahahahahah

Yet another clueless go Russia fan hangs himself

Can you invade your own base?

Of course not

Can you go secure the streets of a foreign country and hold there own army hostage?

Can you? Oh really Adolf Hilter, I disagree

Resorting to insults is the sign of a weak to nil argument. Honestly you get a book on the art of arguing.

I'm not the one invading another country PAL

Perhaps we can discuss weakness and Los of an argument when you aw sets my question

So please can you tell me how Russian troops only occupied there agree military bases

Of you pop young man

You sound all teared up and emotional, perhaps you should go do something about it...

Lol

And you sound like you're back peddling, perhaps you should answer my question before looking anymore misinformed

I assume you have done your duty to protect and serve them and already submitted that application.

Stop getting smart Mr back peddle, it doesn't suit you when your chasing your tail from a massive blatant lie

So you don't like me being smart, you would prefer I am dumb, sorry but no I can't help being smart, it's in my nature.

Troll... Troll is obvious

Talks pure trash, check!

Back peddles rather than admits he was wrong, check!

Can't answer a simple question and instead chases tail while mocking, check!

TritonTaranis

shappy

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Foxtrot7x
Lol you are so hypocritical !! Tell me one thing . Why did russia even invade crimea ? Did they as you so put it 'invade' russia ? NO ? So why is russian military even in crimea apart from the numbers agreed ?
Now if you say they felt threatened by neo fascists in kiev why does that matter. Those neo fascist did not 'invade' russia did they ? Lol eat your own words hahaha !!

You can you invade your own base?

I know yanks have Friendly Fire perfected but I don't think Russians are that poor of an aim.

edit on 17-3-2014 by shappy because: (no reason given)

Hahahahahahahahah

Yet another clueless go Russia fan hangs himself

Can you invade your own base?

Of course not

Can you go secure the streets of a foreign country and hold there own army hostage?

Can you? Oh really Adolf Hilter, I disagree

Resorting to insults is the sign of a weak to nil argument. Honestly you get a book on the art of arguing.

I'm not the one invading another country PAL

Perhaps we can discuss weakness and Los of an argument when you aw sets my question

So please can you tell me how Russian troops only occupied there agree military bases

Of you pop young man

You sound all teared up and emotional, perhaps you should go do something about it...

Lol

And you sound like you're back peddling, perhaps you should answer my question before looking anymore misinformed

I assume you have done your duty to protect and serve them and already submitted that application.

Stop getting smart Mr back peddle, it doesn't suit you when your chasing your tail from a massive blatant lie

So you don't like me being smart, you would prefer I am dumb, sorry but no I can't help being smart, it's in my nature.

Troll... Troll is obvious

Talks pure trash, check!

Back peddles rather than admits he was wrong, check!

Can't answer a simple question and instead chases tail while mocking, check!

Knee jerk much? Careful you don't wear out that cartilage. US health care is very expensive.

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Dude, i'm not pro or anti anything.
I also stated whatever happened in the past does not change what is happening now.
I think US and UK are behind a lot of the trouble there and we are also turning a blind eye to far right neo nazis in Ukraine.
I'm well aware of history and the current situation, my post still stands.

Read it.

stargatetravels
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Dude, i'm not pro or anti anything.
I also stated whatever happened in the past does not change what is happening now.
I think US and UK are behind a lot of the trouble there and we are also turning a blind eye to far right neo nazis in Ukraine.
I'm well aware of history and the current situation, my post still stands.

Read it.

I am not criticizing your post, just supplimenting with a fact that what the Russians have done, was done by the US and UK before. Russia is not setting a precident here. They are simply following the West's beautiful example of democracy but not only that, they are spreading democracy without firing bullets and well run referendums.

Inspectors from the United States and Germany are to make observation flights over Russia and Belarus to verify the true position of Russian military assets following reports that Russian forces are mobilising close to the Ukrainian border.

"The flights will be performed on the Swedish observation plane SAAB-340," Sergey Ryzhkov, head of the National Nuclear Threat Reduction Center, confirmed to Russian News Agency Itar-Tass.

Ryzhkov revealed that the flights would only take place on agreed routes and that Russian and Belarussian representatives would be present on board the observation flights.

Ukraine has accused Russia of moving its military forces close to their shared border as fears grow that the Russian army may invade the Crimean peninsula.

International Business Times - Ukraine Crisis: German and US Inspectors to Fly Over Russia and Belarus Borders

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Foxtrot7x
Lol you are so hypocritical !! Tell me one thing . Why did russia even invade crimea ? Did they as you so put it 'invade' russia ? NO ? So why is russian military even in crimea apart from the numbers agreed ?
Now if you say they felt threatened by neo fascists in kiev why does that matter. Those neo fascist did not 'invade' russia did they ? Lol eat your own words hahaha !!

You can you invade your own base?

I know yanks have Friendly Fire perfected but I don't think Russians are that poor of an aim.

edit on 17-3-2014 by shappy because: (no reason given)

Hahahahahahahahah

Yet another clueless go Russia fan hangs himself

Can you invade your own base?

Of course not

Can you go secure the streets of a foreign country and hold there own army hostage?

Can you? Oh really Adolf Hilter, I disagree

Resorting to insults is the sign of a weak to nil argument. Honestly you get a book on the art of arguing.

I'm not the one invading another country PAL

Perhaps we can discuss weakness and Los of an argument when you aw sets my question

So please can you tell me how Russian troops only occupied there agree military bases

Of you pop young man

You sound all teared up and emotional, perhaps you should go do something about it...

Lol

And you sound like you're back peddling, perhaps you should answer my question before looking anymore misinformed

I assume you have done your duty to protect and serve them and already submitted that application.

Stop getting smart Mr back peddle, it doesn't suit you when your chasing your tail from a massive blatant lie

So you don't like me being smart, you would prefer I am dumb, sorry but no I can't help being smart, it's in my nature.

Troll... Troll is obvious

Talks pure trash, check!

Back peddles rather than admits he was wrong, check!

Can't answer a simple question and instead chases tail while mocking, check!

Knee jerk much? Careful you don't wear out that cartilage. US health care is very expensive.

edit on 17-3-2014 by shappy because: (no reason given)

Not from the US troll boy

Now please stop replying to me unless you want to answer my question, as so members can challenging your outrageous LIES

majesticgent

Inspectors from the United States and Germany are to make observation flights over Russia and Belarus to verify the true position of Russian military assets following reports that Russian forces are mobilising close to the Ukrainian border.

"The flights will be performed on the Swedish observation plane SAAB-340," Sergey Ryzhkov, head of the National Nuclear Threat Reduction Center, confirmed to Russian News Agency Itar-Tass.

Ryzhkov revealed that the flights would only take place on agreed routes and that Russian and Belarussian representatives would be present on board the observation flights.

Ukraine has accused Russia of moving its military forces close to their shared border as fears grow that the Russian army may invade the Crimean peninsula.

International Business Times - Ukraine Crisis: German and US Inspectors to Fly Over Russia and Belarus Borders

Sounds fair enough, how many independant observer planes were allowed over Iraq and Afghinastan during the US/UK's invasions and occupations?

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Totally agree, we go in violently and kill and maim people all in the name of freedom
Nobody has been killed during this 'invasion' and we have the audacity to lecture russia.
Boggles the mind huh?

That doesn't justify what Russia have done and are doing though.
Two rights do not make a wrong

stargatetravels
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Totally agree, we go in violently and kill and maim people all in the name of freedom
Nobody has been killed during this 'invasion' and we have the audacity to lecture russia.
Boggles the mind huh?

That doesn't justify what Russia have done and are doing though.
Two rights do not make a wrong

edit on 17-3-2014 by stargatetravels because: (no reason given)

Yet another one

Why are you ignoring the Ukrainian government and it's people? Because of the US?... please remember the US is speaking on behalf of the Ukrainian government and the international community on To Russia the US is not lecturing anyone.. the US is not going to war with Ukraine,

Amazing how people keep missing this point

If called a smear campaign

Ignore what Ukrainians want and the international community and denounce it by blame things on the the US and drag up every little thing the US has done since time begun

The US isn't the issue here

Where talking about Ukraine

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Totally agree, we go in violently and kill and maim people all in the name of freedom
Nobody has been killed during this 'invasion' and we have the audacity to lecture russia.
Boggles the mind huh?

That doesn't justify what Russia have done and are doing though.
Two rights do not make a wrong

edit on 17-3-2014 by stargatetravels because: (no reason given)

Yet another one

Why are you ignoring the Ukrainian government and it's people? Because of the US?... please remember the US is speaking on behalf of the Ukrainian government and the international community on To Russia the US is not lecturing anyone.. the US is not going to war with Ukraine,

Amazing how people keep missing this point

edit on 17-3-2014 by TritonTaranis because: (no reason given)

Probably because it is best to ignore facists, bullies and criminals rather than give them legitimising attention they crave.

In fact I do listen to the Ukranian people, they are divided as are most countries on fundamental issues such as soverignty. A lot now see what has happened and are protesting against the facists in power, they even started to put rubber tyres around the building after they came into power.

The people don't want facists in power just as they don't want to be divided.

stargatetravels
Well the referendum is not recognized and is illegal under the Ukranian Consitution and international law

By Ukrainian Constitution Yanukovich is still the Prime Minister, and the current government is illegitimate bunch of thugs, which opened up prisons and released their thug buddies as the first thing they did.

Also when Russia 'invaded' Crimea they took down all Ukranian news and TV channels and then broadcast Russian channels and flooded them with pro Russian content.

Prove it. There was no invasion, and as far as mass media;

OSCE slams Ukraine’s repressive censorship of Russian TV channels

rt.com...

Attempt to jam Russian satellites carried out from Western Ukraine

rt.com...

That's right, only RT and other Russian mass media will report this, because Ukrainian media is completely owned by the very media moguls that are at this very moment in power in Kiev. Kind of like Rupert Murdock being the Vice President of USA, while still being in charge of his media empire.

Whoever has done what in the past is irrelevant, this is illegal.

Oh, so who ever gets stuck in the end with illegal action is illegal? So if I illegally try to shoot you, and then then you shoot back with a pistol you didn't have a cc for, that'll make you a criminal and not me? Funny how your logic works, I guess then it always worth being the one doing the illegal stuff first, because only the one who ends up doing it last will be punished. Noted. That's a mentality of a criminal btw, "if not caught there was no crime"...

However the people want to leave, they have voted.
Even when they voted the last president in, Yanukovic, it was 80% pro Russian in Crimea, well before the trouble happening now.

Who was the alternative candidate?

Also the US and EU cannot and will not do anything about it.
Maybe Ukraine will roll their military forces in there, who knows?

edit on 17-3-2014 by stargatetravels because: (no reason given)

Other then financing Nazi terrorists organizations, US President officially recognized a group of radicals that carried out an armed coup, and received illegitimate prime minister that nobody elected.

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Totally agree, we go in violently and kill and maim people all in the name of freedom
Nobody has been killed during this 'invasion' and we have the audacity to lecture russia.
Boggles the mind huh?

That doesn't justify what Russia have done and are doing though.
Two rights do not make a wrong

edit on 17-3-2014 by stargatetravels because: (no reason given)

Yet another one

Why are you ignoring the Ukrainian government and it's people? Because of the US?... please remember the US is speaking on behalf of the Ukrainian government and the international community on To Russia the US is not lecturing anyone.. the US is not going to war with Ukraine,

Amazing how people keep missing this point

edit on 17-3-2014 by TritonTaranis because: (no reason given)

How about this, why can't US stay out of other peoples oil fields? That's how wars happen, you know.

Oh ps, US is speaking on the behalf of the Ukrainian government that actual Ukrainians didn't get to vote for, because that government was put in power by Nazi guys in helmets with guns.

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It's amazing how people cant read a post.
Read my last two posts, where did I say Russia were right or justified in their actions?
I've said throughout this thread and others that russian actions are illegal and theyre being completely underhand and forcing a referendum in some elses country.

Just because i'm not riding the US or EU's **** does not mean I support Russia.
US UK have done far, far worse over the last 15 years, it seems people have short memories
Try reading, this site is all about reading

shappy

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Totally agree, we go in violently and kill and maim people all in the name of freedom
Nobody has been killed during this 'invasion' and we have the audacity to lecture russia.
Boggles the mind huh?

That doesn't justify what Russia have done and are doing though.
Two rights do not make a wrong

edit on 17-3-2014 by stargatetravels because: (no reason given)

Yet another one

Why are you ignoring the Ukrainian government and it's people? Because of the US?... please remember the US is speaking on behalf of the Ukrainian government and the international community on To Russia the US is not lecturing anyone.. the US is not going to war with Ukraine,

Amazing how people keep missing this point

edit on 17-3-2014 by TritonTaranis because: (no reason given)

Probably because it is best to ignore facists, bullies and criminals rather than give them legitimising attention they crave.

In fact I do listen to the Ukranian people, they are divided as are most countries on fundamental issues such as soverignty. A lot now see what has happened and are protesting against the facists in power, they even started to put rubber tyres around the building after they came into power.

The people don't want facists in power just as they don't want to be divided.

edit on 17-3-2014 by shappy because: (no reason given)

So Ukraine is divided as you said,

So Russia is meddling in a sovereign states national integrity?

Illegal

So Russia invades holding Ukraine's troops hostage

Illegal

You're a Nazi

Plane and simple

The majority support western ties... Out voted

Oh you don't agree?

Then why agree on Crimea ?

Nazi

Which ever way you try swing it you're a hypocrite

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reply to [url=http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1000147/pg207#pid176734post by shappy[/url]



Totally agree, we go in violently and kill and maim people all in the name of freedom
Nobody has been killed during this 'invasion' and we have the audacity to lecture russia.
Boggles the mind huh?

That doesn't justify what Russia have done and are doing though.
Two rights do not make a wrong

edit on 17-3-2014 by stargatetravels because: (no reason given)

Yet another one

Why are you ignoring the Ukrainian government and it's people? Because of the US?... please remember the US is speaking on behalf of the Ukrainian government and the international community on To Russia the US is not lecturing anyone.. the US is not going to war with Ukraine,

Amazing how people keep missing this point

edit on 17-3-2014 by TritonTaranis because: (no reason given)

Probably because it is best to ignore facists, bullies and criminals rather than give them legitimising attention they crave.

In fact I do listen to the Ukranian people, they are divided as are most countries on fundamental issues such as soverignty. A lot now see what has happened and are protesting against the facists in power, they even started to put rubber tyres around the building after they came into power.

The people don't want facists in power just as they don't want to be divided.

edit on 17-3-2014 by shappy because: (no reason given)

So Ukraine is divided as you said,

So Russia is meddling in a sovereign states national integrity?

Illegal

So Russia invades holding Ukraine's troops hostage

Illegal

You're a Nazi

Plane and simple

The majority support western ties... Out voted

Oh you don't agree?

Then why agree on Crimea ?

Nazi

Which ever way you try swing it you're a hypocrite

I didn't divide up Kosov, or other countries, never mind invade nor occupy them. So what am I being a hypocrite of again?

stargatetravels
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It's amazing how people cant read a post.
Read my last two posts, where did I say Russia were right or justified in their actions?
I've said throughout this thread and others that russian actions are illegal and theyre being completely underhand and forcing a referendum in some elses country.

Just because i'm not riding the US or EU's **** does not mean I support Russia.
US UK have done far, far worse over the last 15 years, it seems people have short memories
Try reading, this site is all about reading

edit on 17-3-2014 by stargatetravels because: (no reason given)

Lolllllll

Sorry but I'm not saying that I'm correcting you

You keep saying the US and UK have done far worst we're talking about Ukraine tho right?

WHAT HAS UKRAINE DONE

You're ignoring their position because the US is speaking out on behalf of the international community understand?

You're aiding a Russian propaganda smear campaign to discredit Ukraine government and people

TritonTaranis

stargatetravels
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It's amazing how people cant read a post.
Read my last two posts, where did I say Russia were right or justified in their actions?
I've said throughout this thread and others that russian actions are illegal and theyre being completely underhand and forcing a referendum in some elses country.

Just because i'm not riding the US or EU's **** does not mean I support Russia.
US UK have done far, far worse over the last 15 years, it seems people have short memories
Try reading, this site is all about reading

edit on 17-3-2014 by stargatetravels because: (no reason given)

Lolllllll

Sorry but I'm not saying that I'm correcting you

You keep saying the US and UK have done far worst we're talking about Ukraine tho right?

WHAT HAS UKRAINE DONE

You're ignoring their position because the US is speaking out on behalf of the international community understand?

Your aid and smear campaign

You should talk to the family of the people molotoved alive in Kiev simply for not being pure Ukranian or not accepting Right Sector power.

I am sure they want to hear about your democracy support there.

shappy

TritonTaranis

stargatetravels
reply to post by TritonTaranis

 

It's amazing how people cant read a post.
Read my last two posts, where did I say Russia were right or justified in their actions?
I've said throughout this thread and others that russian actions are illegal and theyre being completely underhand and forcing a referendum in some elses country.

Just because i'm not riding the US or EU's **** does not mean I support Russia.
US UK have done far, far worse over the last 15 years, it seems people have short memories
Try reading, this site is all about reading

edit on 17-3-2014 by stargatetravels because: (no reason given)

Lolllllll

Sorry but I'm not saying that I'm correcting you

You keep saying the US and UK have done far worst we're talking about Ukraine tho right?

WHAT HAS UKRAINE DONE

You're ignoring their position because the US is speaking out on behalf of the international community understand?

Your aid and smear campaign

You should talk to the family of the people molotoved alive in Kiev simply for not being pure Ukranian or not accepting Right Sector power.

I am sure they want to hear about your democracy support there.

Maybe you should talk the the Tartars in Crimea

Maybe you should talk to the pro Putin mobs who have murdered dozens on the streets of Ukraine ?

Oh yeah, straight up Nazi. It's a FACT, deal with it.

"The U.S. has Installed a Neo-Nazi Government in Ukraine"

www.globalresearch.ca...

"Confirmed by Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland, key organizations in the Ukraine including the Neo-Nazi party Svoboda were generously supported by Washington: “We have invested more than 5 billion dollars to help Ukraine to achieve these and other goals. … We will continue to promote Ukraine to the future it deserves.”

The Western media has casually avoided to analyze the composition and ideological underpinnings of the government coalition. The word “Neo-Nazi” is a taboo. It has been excluded from the dictionary of mainstream media commentary. It will not appear in the pages of the New York Times, the Washington Post or The Independent. Journalists have been instructed not to use the term “Neo-Nazi” to designate Svoboda and the Right Sector.

Composition of the Coalition Government

We are not dealing with a transitional government in which Neo-Nazi elements integrate the fringe of the coalition, formally led by the Fatherland party.

The Cabinet is not only integrated by the Svoboda and Right Sector (not to mention former members of defunct fascist UNA-UNSO), the two main Neo-Nazi entities have been entrusted with key positions which grant them de facto control over the Armed Forces, Police, Justice and National Security."


Who are the Nazis in the Ukrainian government?
by Thierry Meyssan

The Ukrainian government installed by the coup has been recognized by the Western powers. It includes several members of explicitly Nazi organizations, including two leaders who have distinguished themselves by fabricating false images of violence and torture aimed to convince Western public opinion of the cruelty of the democratically elected president, Viktor Yanukovych. The Deputy Secretary of the National Security and Defence Council of Ukraine openly acknowledges his ties with Al-Qaeda.


www.voltairenet.org...

Now I for one will not accept that legitimate American government will blatantly install a full on Nazi regime in ANY country, therefore current US government can not be legitimate, unless American people will actually VOTE that openly installing Nazi regimes is what America is all about.

Naturally American Constitution will have to be altered a bit, meaning tossing out all the "With Liberty and Justice for All" stuff, and replacing it with corporate NWO Nazi totalitarianism, but hey, the Patriot Act went through with out a hiccup, so full steam ahead.

TritonTaranis

shappy

TritonTaranis

stargatetravels
reply to post by TritonTaranis

 

It's amazing how people cant read a post.
Read my last two posts, where did I say Russia were right or justified in their actions?
I've said throughout this thread and others that russian actions are illegal and theyre being completely underhand and forcing a referendum in some elses country.

Just because i'm not riding the US or EU's **** does not mean I support Russia.
US UK have done far, far worse over the last 15 years, it seems people have short memories
Try reading, this site is all about reading

edit on 17-3-2014 by stargatetravels because: (no reason given)

Lolllllll

Sorry but I'm not saying that I'm correcting you

You keep saying the US and UK have done far worst we're talking about Ukraine tho right?

WHAT HAS UKRAINE DONE

You're ignoring their position because the US is speaking out on behalf of the international community understand?

Your aid and smear campaign

You should talk to the family of the people molotoved alive in Kiev simply for not being pure Ukranian or not accepting Right Sector power.

I am sure they want to hear about your democracy support there.

Maybe you should talk the the Tartars in Crimea

Maybe you should talk to the pro Putin mobs who have murdered dozens on the streets of Ukraine ?

The Tartars in Crimea are given special treatment, they even get more special acknowledgement than Crimean Russian community to please them. They also have relative autonomity of their areas, their langauge and culture is supported. The first thing Right Sector did was remove alternative languages appart from pure Ukranian, that is against Tartars and Russian speakers, on top of that they also made it punishable SEVERLY for not being pure Ukranian, that affects Tartars and Russians as they have multiple nationalities.

Right sector done more damage to Tartars and Russians than Russians did.