The NSA Endgame....Truth

Ok before you throw me to the dogs on this one...I do not support what the nsa is doing...I think its so awful what they are doing that they should be completely dismantled...but for the sake of good debate I want to propose an idea in hopes of generating some fun discussion.

What is the endgame of all that data collection? I got to thinking...what if literally almost everything you did was not only collected...but put in the "cloud" and made public...everything on everyone including the agents themselves made public. Let us say for a moment that is their goal (or someone's goal), which I know it's not their goal intentionally, but imagine a world where people could hide nothing. We would actually reach truth. Could this in any way be a good thing for humanity? Truth?

I think you would see people wear masks...try to change identity..breakdowns...until at some point we just accept who we are as a culture and a species. Imagine having complete truth of humanity? What do you think...would truth help us or not?

Ok tear me to shreds hahah....but remember I do not support them..just looking for some good debate.

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In a utopia it would make sense for everyone to have a completed profile giving anyone access to everything about them, because no one would use that information in a harmful manner.

However this is reality... political, religious, racial, and just about every other type of profiling are used by bad people to achieve their own twisted goals. So no, no one nor any organization should be able to gain access to someones complete profile.

I wear a mask all day everyday concerning certain views of mine or what I own... simply cz its no ones GD business except mine!

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It will only be a good if everyone's and I mean everyone's records are public. As long as the people in power keep even the nano sized pieces of information to themselves, it will be a nightmare.
I don't trust any government or any person who controls anything not to keep some information private. I especially don't trust the liberals or progressives, because too many of them (American liberals) have called for the killing or internment or reeducation of those who don't think like they do.

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That is exactly what i'm talking about, twisted twisted goals.

Look at what Germany started doing in the 30s. Profiling, registering, then killing.

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True...I mentioned once awhile back that almost any form of government or idea can work if everyone is benevolent...but thats unfortunately never the case. In our current culture it would end being "well certain individuals need to remain anonymous for security reasons"......

reply to post by cosmicexplorer


information like that would never be made available to the public. control of that kind of information controls entire populations.

Ask Petraus.

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Ever seen The Invention Of Lying? Perfect and absolute honesty is more a burden than a blessing.

AfterInfinity
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Ever seen The Invention Of Lying? Perfect and absolute honesty is more a burden than a blessing.

Ingo Swann claimed that the SRI experiments into PSI moved "black" because of the threat to the ability to keep secrets.

The ultimate weapon is the truth.

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I have a feeling that homicide would be a far more prevalent element in society if everyone was perfectly honest.

reply to post by cosmicexplorer


I don't see how it can help. Also there are things that people like to keep private for many reasons. Theres nothing wrong in believing in Aliens or ufos, or playing dungeon and dragons, or even beating of to Shemale porn. But would you want your neighbors knowing some of these things, or people at work. So you start to question everything you do, and you start living for a "Society Norm". You become who you are told to become, and your true identity is stripped from you. People have their faces cut and mutilated to fit in to a HollyWood mold. Could you imagine everybody striving to become something so ugly, just to fit in.

Think about the Free expression that has already been affected in the wake of the NSA files. Some people are scared to blast a government who deserves to be spoken out against. All because they know they are being watched.

Snowden works for the CIA.

The CIA is a rogue element within the US government that controls the whitehouse and foreign affairs. They run drugs, donate to campaigns, create false stories for the media, get us into wars and all kinds of terrorist activity.

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I read a book called "Burning City". Not a great book by any stretch. But it provoked thoughts long these lines as a parallel

To sum up the book, there was a race of humanoid dinosaur that had "evolved" alongside mammalian homonids, with the result being us and our dinosaur/reptilian counterpart. We were at war with them because of obvious reasons (it was cheap sci fi....like i said, obvious reasons).

One of the humans ends up captive to the dinoids (is that a word?), and discovers a huge weakness: they cannot lie. Because their language is a connection of gestures and noises, communication was tied into the central nervous system. I am sure we have all seen how an animal will tend to wear their heart on their sleeve. with most animals, this lack of ability of subterfuge stems from their lack of appreciable abstract thought. To lie, you have to plot. If a dog ould plot, they might overthrow us and run the world. LOL.

In any event, the dinoids lacked the ability to lie because the communication had developed out of these movements, ticks, and chirps. So the human was able to dupe them and save the day.

But the concept gave me a lot to think about. What if humans could not lie? What would the world be like?

That is what would happen in a scenario like we are discussing.

Interesting thought it would overall be great except for the few exceptions. What if you had to get away from an abusive ex? Truth there would be bad. What if you were a coach and you just couldn't play this one kid. He was a loose cannon, he couldn't handle the pressure. Truth there would be bad.

so with these...how would we deal with absolute truth?

amazing
Interesting thought it would overall be great except for the few exceptions. What if you had to get away from an abusive ex? Truth there would be bad. What if you were a coach and you just couldn't play this one kid. He was a loose cannon, he couldn't handle the pressure. Truth there would be bad.

so with these...how would we deal with absolute truth?

Would there be an abusive ex if people could not lie?

Who is going to volunteer for being reviled as a wife beater while living in western society?

THere is a notion among us 2nd amendment advocates that a well armed society is a polite society. I think the same notion might apply to a society that is unable to lie to each other.

You suffer the burden of truth, but also benefit the ability to have the truth.

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hahah that sounds brilliant....this is why i love sci fi...sci fi tends to have great ideas with lack of story ....ill totally look that up...

amazing
Interesting thought it would overall be great except for the few exceptions. What if you had to get away from an abusive ex? Truth there would be bad. What if you were a coach and you just couldn't play this one kid. He was a loose cannon, he couldn't handle the pressure. Truth there would be bad.

so with these...how would we deal with absolute truth?

My ex wife was from europe and my grand father ukrainian....both were brutally honest...on xmas both my grandfather and ex wife would say if they didnt like a gift they got. Growing up it became a fun game to see who get my grandfather a present he liked haha. But as you can imagine anyone new in our family who bought him something felt bad the first time he literally said their gift was garbage and set it to the pile we knew was going to the garbage...by the third xmas it was such a hoot ...if you got him a gift he liked it was like you wont the lottery haha.

I think honesty is something that takes getting used to.

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