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Originally posted by waynos
I'm sure it will be a great consolation (not) to the family of the man hounded to his death for saying the very same thing.
Originally posted by worldwatcher
how is it possible that the intelligences agencies got it wrong?
because they wanted to. And they got played. Chalabi, Allawi and all the others had their own motives and played Bush and Blair like a game of chess. If the US and Britain really got fooled then blame it on the Non resident Iraqis who are now vieing for their place in the new iraq
Originally posted by koji_K
i say blame it on the people who are ultimately responsible for the CIA and MI6.
-koji K.
Originally posted by WorldWatcher
how is it possible that the intelligences agencies got it wrong?
because they wanted to. And they got played. Chalabi, Allawi and all the others had their own motives and played Bush and Blair like a game of chess. If the US and Britain really got fooled then blame it on the Non resident Iraqis who are now vieing for their place in the new iraq
Originally posted by kastinyque
Before the "strike on iraq began" I remember hearing on the news that the UN was against this war because there was no evidence that suddam hussein had, any or was developing any weapons of mass destruction. In fact suddam hussein (however reluctanly) had been allowing UN officers to inspect anything in Iraq that they wanted to inspect to try to prevent this war. There were tons of UN officers in Iraq before the strike started, the first sign that the first attack was coming was seeing the long parade of white UN vans leaving Iraq because of a warning from the states. The revealation that no wmds were found really comes as no big surprise.
"Everyone genuinely tried to do their best in good faith for the country in circumstances of acute difficulty," he said. "That issue of good faith should now be at an end."
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"But I have to accept, as the months have passed, it seems increasingly clear that at the time of invasion, Saddam did not have stockpiles of chemical or biological weapons ready to deploy," the Prime Minister said.
Originally posted by Muaddib
Is very simple, were Tony blair and the Bush administration the only ones to "ever" say that Saddam/Iraq had wmd? No, in fact the whole world was saying that Iraq/Saddam had wmd and was an assassin
NARRATOR: Huh, that's weird. Because that's not what Bush's people said when he first took office.
SECRETARY POWELL: (subtitle "February 2001") He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction; he is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors.
CONDOLEEZA RICE: (subtitle "July 2001") We are able to keep arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt.
Originally posted by frontieruk
so when between 2001 and 2003 did sadam get these weapons and convince the world he had them? He didn't, bush wanted to start his war, blair said bush needed UN support thus the UN weapons inspectors were sent in (who's head inspector always maintained that they probably wouldn't find anything) as the search went on and it looked less likely that the wmd were going to be found, bush sent the army in to find them, except that story changed, they became liberators of iraq freeing them from dictatorship, the only country that backed the claims of wmd was the british, and as the US and UK have now both found out these assumptions of sadam being dangerous was based on very poor intelligence collecting.
[edit on 14-7-2004 by frontieruk]
John McCain associates the Bush Iraq policy with the Clinton administration on PBS's NewsHour by saying:
"I do not and I believe that President Clinton in 1998 stated unequivocally that we needed a regime change because of Saddam Hussein's continued pursuit of weapons of mass destruction, nor do I believe this president of the United States, or vice president would either.
This is a serious charge and I categorically reject it. Yes, I believe that mistakes were made and yes we need to have a review of it, but somehow to believe that two administrations intentionally misled the American people, I think is a leap of imagination ..."
Portuguese Prime Minister Jose Manuel Durao Barroso said.
"When Clinton was here recently he told me he was absolutely convinced, given his years in the White House and the access to privileged information which he had, that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction until the end of the Saddam regime," he said in an interview with Portuguese cable news channel SIC Noticias.