Is There Really An Osama Bin Laden?

I know it seems that I am going out on a limb here, but apparently this guy is a "ghost". With all of the technology that the US has (and the tech that we don't even know that they have) it seem virtually impossible that we have yet to find him.
Not only that, but with how bad the "video tapes" and statements that "Osama" has made, I think could be just a farce that the government has put out for the "War for Oil".
I've seen some pretty good computer animation and I know it would be easy for some of the plastic surgeons in the US to make up such a character.

Maybe this is why we can't "locate" the guy?
Does it seem to far fetched?

Yes, it does seem to far fetched.

i always thought we killed him when we went to afghanistan(?spelling) in the first place. it does seem highly farfetched that we can't catch him with our satelites and junk. We can teach a monkey to play the piano, but we can't catch a guy hiding in a cave. sad.

[Edited on 8-3-2004 by ButtMonkey]

the man exists but he workin with the CIA .

He's real, there is no question about it. However, everyone needs to know that we aren't talking about some average 'towel headed, camel riding, desert nomad, religious radical nut job' like he's is often played down to be. Here are a few quotes that illustrate what I mean:

Osama bin Laden, one of 20 sons of a billionaire construction magnate, arrived in Afghanistan to join the jihad in 1980. An austere religious fanatic and business tycoon, bin Laden specialised in recruiting, financing and training the estimated 35,000 non-Afghan mercenaries who joined the mujaheddin.

The bin Laden family is a prominent pillar of the Saudi Arabian ruling class, with close personal, financial and political ties to that country's pro-US royal family.

Bin Laden senior was appointed Saudi Arabia's minister of public works as a favour by King Faisal. The new minister awarded his own construction companies lucrative contracts to rebuild Islam's holiest mosques in Mecca and Medina. In the process, the bin Laden family company in 1966 became the world's largest private construction company.

Osama bin Laden's father died in 1968. Until 1994, he had access to the dividends from this ill-gotten business empire.

Osama's military and business adventures in Afghanistan had the blessing of the bin Laden dynasty and the reactionary Saudi Arabian regime. His close working relationship with MAK also meant that the CIA was fully aware of his activities.

In 1986, bin Laden brought heavy construction equipment from Saudi Arabia to Afghanistan. Using his extensive knowledge of construction techniques (he has a degree in civil engineering), he built �training camps�, some dug deep into the sides of mountains, and built roads to reach them.

These camps, now dubbed �terrorist universities� by Washington, were built in collaboration with the ISI and the CIA. The Afghan contra fighters, including the tens of thousands of mercenaries recruited and paid for by bin Laden, were armed by the CIA. Pakistan, the US and Britain provided military trainers.

Tom Carew, a former British SAS soldier who secretly fought for the mujaheddin told the August 13, 2000, British Observer, �The Americans were keen to teach the Afghans the techniques of urban terrorism � car bombing and so on � so that they could strike at the Russians in major towns ... Many of them are now using their knowledge and expertise to wage war on everything they hate.�

Bin Laden only became a �terrorist� in US eyes when he fell out with the Saudi royal family over its decision to allow more than 540,000 US troops to be stationed on Saudi soil following Iraq's invasion of Kuwait.

Today, bin Laden's private army of non-Afghan religious fanatics is a key prop of the Taliban regime.

Prior to the devastating September 11 attack on the twin towers of World Trade Center, US ruling-class figures remained unrepentant about the consequences of their dirty deals with the likes of bin Laden, Hekmatyar and the Taliban. Since the awful attack, they have been downright hypocritical.

As you can see, the elite rub elbows with the elite, regardless of what their social habits or private lives may be. Corruption, lies and evil are at the top of all governments and ruling classes. They've all sold their souls for Money and Power in one form or another and the other 99% of the human population is being dragged down into hell right along with them. It's time everyone wakes up to realize who the real enemies are and why they exist. That includes the enemy over seas and the one right here in our own backyard!

yeah, the bin laden family owns an airport like 10 miles down the road from me, and one of their biggest corporations is in dallas, about 6 our drive from here.

thats why oyou never see anybody attacking texas, we've got their guns!

but about osama, its true that it does seem fishy, but how long have we been looking for sadaam? we JUSt found him (supposedly) so a lot more time can be expected in the osama search

Oh yeah, he exists, but whether he did any of the dirty deeds all by his lonesome....well, I say not.

He is either part of those who rule or he is a puppet. My vote is with the former, since he is quite wealthy.

I doubt they ever catch the real OBL. Just as there is controversy that the "real" Hilter is the man they found in the bunker. Same with Saddam, IMO.

Bin Laden is definitely REAL but I think he is "REALLY DEAD".

I always had figured he died in the Tora Bora Bombings...but I am sure when we capture him "dead or alive", probably right before elections, dna will prove that the corpse or person is OBL

You all seem to put A LOT of good points out. My point of what seems like a far fetched idea to you all, sounds realistic to me.
Remember, this is the same government that denies there are UFO's.
The same government, that just until recently, said that Area 51 did not exist.
With so many lies already in the mix, what's one more??

If Osama was a real terrorist wouldn't the US have detained his family members for questioning immediately after 9-11 instead of letting them fly out of the country? Is it gross negligence on the part of our security agencies, or is the official story a fraud?

[Edited on 8-3-2004 by Condorcet]

Maybe because they are made of money? After all, enough money can get you anything.

Originally posted by mOjOm
As you can see, the elite rub elbows with the elite, regardless of what their social habits or private lives may be. Corruption, lies and evil are at the top of all governments and ruling classes. They've all sold their souls for Money and Power in one form or another and the other 99% of the human population is being dragged down into hell right along with them. It's time everyone wakes up to realize who the real enemies are and why they exist. That includes the enemy over seas and the one right here in our own backyard!

I couldn't have said that better myself!

Originally posted by Condorcet
If Osama was a real terrorist wouldn't the US have detained his family members for questioning immediately after 9-11 instead of letting them fly out of the country? Is it gross negligence on the part of our security agencies, or is the official story a fraud?

[Edited on 8-3-2004 by Condorcet]

Thank you, you're helping prove my point. So many things just do not add up. Wouldn't they have put a freeze on "his" businesses/stocks here in the US?

Originally posted by cheshire cat

Originally posted by Condorcet
If Osama was a real terrorist wouldn't the US have detained his family members for questioning immediately after 9-11 instead of letting them fly out of the country? Is it gross negligence on the part of our security agencies, or is the official story a fraud?

[Edited on 8-3-2004 by Condorcet]

Thank you, you're helping prove my point. So many things just do not add up. Wouldn't they have put a freeze on "his" businesses/stocks here in the US?

no, theyw ouldnt. osama was exiled, detached form his family. he is the only radical out of the whole bunch.

hes real, his family ownan airport by my house, and yes, the government IS keeping tabs on them. the only family member osama had any real connection with was his mom, who the gov. is checking on extra close. no contact yet.

�The Americans were keen to teach the Afghans the techniques of urban terrorism � car bombing and so on � so that they could strike at the Russians in major towns ... Many of them are now using their knowledge and expertise to wage war on everything they hate.�


This is the part that I try to tell people who say "it was an unfortunate result of the Cold War" (Not going to say no names). It�s called karma, if you put negative energy out there then the laws of Karma state that it will come back to you the same way. Cause and effect

It's hard to say whether or not he really does exist, considering everything we know about him is from the media (like a lot of other things). I don't know, to be honest. Maybe it is all a conspiracy. So, what else is new?

Mr. M

Originally posted by Scat
hes real, his family ownan airport by my house, and yes, the government IS keeping tabs on them. the only family member osama had any real connection with was his mom, who the gov. is checking on extra close. no contact yet.

Scat, is there any real way for "us" to determine if they have any contact? They don't live on our soil, their in Saudi Arabia, no? So, they could have internet connections?
OBL may be portayed as the outcast, but do we really know if his family has disowned hi, really?

Originally posted by StarChild
It's hard to say whether or not he really does exist, considering everything we know about him is from the media (like a lot of other things). I don't know, to be honest. Maybe it is all a conspiracy. So, what else is new?

I've never seen him in-person. Funny point, but from my standpoint, I have to put my faith in the media and the gov't. Doesn't sound like the best situation. Doesn't sound like anything I would put "blind faith" in.