The only hope for this country is democratic socialism & equal redistribution of wealth

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posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by onlyhurtsu
I know these flag wavers are too ridiculous to ever travel the world and see outside the box.


They're the SAME in every country. It's not really a function of IQ, it's more a function of fear, of being unable to love, unable to feel, unable to share.


If the human body worked like our govt we'd be dead in 1 second. Having a few brain cells with most the power deciding for the whole body.[/quote

That's why these folks are often referred to as demonic because they will commit murder and genocide if told to by the totalitarian STATE of mind, which is based on fear and lack of fatherly love or downright abuse or growing up with terrorism in the home. Ever noticed that most marines are little guys trying to get even with their fathers and prove they're really big guys by carrying big guns.


Interconnectedness of all parts of the body allow it to function properly. THats the lesson of nature


Right on.

check this out, it’s the ONLY way to penetrate concrete with an air supply: ‘Mind control protection & counter-measures for ATS folks’ www.abovetopsecret.com...




posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by Vasa Croe
I am a FIRM believer that you make your own bed, or destiny..whichever word you wish to use. If you are in a place you don't like then change it. There are doers and there are watchers.


This only works in a free society, not in a ghetto or in 99% of the world. If this really worked, there'd be no NWO and there would be universal justice and clean water and sanitation for everyone, and this conversation never would have occured.


Are you saying that everyone that makes over 500k a year has done so at the expense of others?


Of course. They are supporting the CAPITALIST FED system.


If you give everyone in the US 1 million dollars today how many fast food chains would shut down?


Hmmm. That's an undesired benefit. A lot of these are funded by bank loans (capital) produced with laundered narcotics money. The Central bank's banks launder close to 3 trillion dollars each year of illegal narcotic money ... it's what helps create the black ops fund.

That's why you have CIA ripping off the Savings and Loans and Enron ripping off California. NONE OF THIS WOULD BE POSSIBLE IF THE FED WAS PUBLICLY-OWNED, as our founding fathers intended our central bank to be, NOT PRIVATELY OWNED, as it is today.

Here are the urls to my argument as of today.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
and
www.abovetopsecret.com...

check this out, it’s the ONLY way to penetrate concrete with an air supply: ‘Mind control protection & counter-measures for ATS folks’ www.abovetopsecret.com...


This thread is killing me.....I can't stop looking at it because I see soooooo many ideological posters just itching to get in my cyberface and egg me on.


This post isn't killing you ... it's your fear of sharing and "doing unto others as you would have others do onto you" ... that's what's killing you, and always will.


[edit on 28-6-2008 by counterterrorist]



posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 04:26 PM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
CAN you talk to others besides those you can prove wrong? Or are you no better then those you badmouth, hiding from your obvious flaws.

[edit on 25-6-2008 by Gorman91]


I'm about exactly the same as them, in that way ... but, not in others. I can talk to anyone until they get ugly, then what's my choice ... kiss their ass, pat them on head, or out-ugly them?

I learned a long time ago in a bar, if you let someone bully you, they will. If you put them in their place as nicely as you can and as firmly as you can ... like teaching a dog proper manners, then they won't sh*t on you.

Besides, all those links I've been providing are for educational purposes. See how optimistic I am.

Here are the urls to my argument as of today.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
and
www.abovetopsecret.com...

check this out, it’s the ONLY way to penetrate concrete with an air supply: ‘Mind control protection & counter-measures for ATS folks’ www.abovetopsecret.com...


[edit on 28-6-2008 by counterterrorist]



posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 04:33 PM
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Thanks for the info, counterterrorist. Here's some that I found, concerning the IMF and World Bank:

Above The Law

From 22 USC 286h (my emphasis added in all excerpted text):


Section 286h. Status, privileges, and immunities of the United States

The provisions of article IX, sections 2 to 9, both inclusive, and the first sentence of article VIII, section 2(b), of the Articles of Agreement of the Fund, and the provisions of article VI, section 5(i), and article VII, sections 2 to 9, both inclusive, of the Articles of Agreement of the Bank, shall have full force and effect in the United States and its Territories and possessions upon acceptance of membership by the United States in, and the establishment of, the Fund and the Bank, respectively.

From the World Bank IBRD Articles of Agreement:


SECTION 3. Position of the Bank with Regard to judicial Process

Actions may be brought against the Bank only in a court of competent jurisdiction in the territories of a member in which the Bank has an office, has appointed an agent for the purpose of accepting service or notice of process, or has issued or guaranteed securities. No actions shall, however, be brought by members or persons acting for or deriving claims from members. The property and assets of the Bank shall, wheresoever located and by whomsoever held, be immune from all forms of seizure, attachment or execution before the delivery of final judgment against the Bank.



SECTION 4. Immunity of Assets from Seizure

Property and assets of the Bank, wherever located and by whomsoever held, shall be immune from search, requisition, confiscation, expropriation or any other form of seizure by executive or legislative action.



SECTION 5. Immunity of Archives

The archives of the Bank shall be inviolable.



SECTION 8. Immunities and Privileges of Officers and Employees

All governors, executive directors, alternates, officers and employees of the Bank

(i) shall be immune from legal process with respect to acts performed by them in their official capacity except when the Bank waives this immunity;



SECTION 9. Immunities from Taxation

(a) The Bank, its assets, property, income and its operations and transactions authorized by this Agreement, shall be immune from all taxation and from all customs duties. The Bank shall also be immune from liability for the collection or payment of any tax or duty.



posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 04:34 PM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by counterterrorist
 


Hmmmm a Communist detached from reality and jealous of the wealth of others.



Over my dead body.


You'd do well to remember our lifetime is about 100 years. After that, the institutions remain ... that's what accounts today for the misery in the world. If you want to support the CAPITALISTS BANKERS and NWO that's your call ... the NWO would disappear overnight without the capitalist bankers.

You seem to think you're a capitalist. You're NOT. You don't have the right to print and own money, only the capitalists do. You're acting like a capitalist wannabee ... but you never will be. Those people are born, not made. You're a wage-slave who worships the capitalist bankers and seem not to know who your master is and why you're a slave.

Very, very sad. If you can read the following urls and not understand what I'm trying to say, then it's my fault, not yours.

Here are the urls to my argument as of today.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
and
www.abovetopsecret.com...

check this out, it’s the ONLY way to penetrate concrete with an air supply: ‘Mind control protection & counter-measures for ATS folks’ www.abovetopsecret.com...


[edit on 28-6-2008 by counterterrorist]



posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 04:39 PM
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Originally posted by windwaker
reply to post by counterterrorist
 


Isn't that part of what made the founding fathers leave and start a new country?


I'm not sure what you're referring to, however, the founding father's rebelled against British Capitalism and against the Bank of England's domination.

Additionally, the founding father's repeatedly denounced a privately owned central bank in favor of a publicly owned central bank, for the following reasons:

Here are the urls to my argument as of today.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
and
www.abovetopsecret.com...

check this out, it’s the ONLY way to penetrate concrete with an air supply: ‘Mind control protection & counter-measures for ATS folks’ www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 04:44 PM
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Originally posted by WhatTheory
Let me get this straight.....You believe working hard and earning a decent living, upgrading one's lifestyle and providing luxeries for one's family is greedy


Wrong. I believe the CAPITALIST BANKERS WHO PRINT AND OWN THE MONEY should be divested and that WE the people should print and own our own money.


Sorry, but stealing other people's hard earned money to give to yourself is the definition of greedy & selfish.


Lookit, the FED AND BANK OF ENGLAND BANKERS DID NOT EARN ANYTHING ... THEY JUST PRINTED IT. For example, in the depression when the fed printed $100,000-dollar-bills, it cost THEM a penny BUT they charged TAXPAYERS $999.999.98.

This is called the national debt. WE PAY INTEREST ON A DEBT OF 9 trillion dollars created in this phoney way, of 300 billion dollars every year.

If you think they 'earned' this money, you can't think at all.

Here are the urls to my argument as of today.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
and
www.abovetopsecret.com...

check this out, it’s the ONLY way to penetrate concrete with an air supply: ‘Mind control protection & counter-measures for ATS folks’ www.abovetopsecret.com...

Every time I'm nice to you, I forgot you're a cointelpro agent provocateur kind of guy. My bad.


[edit on 28-6-2008 by counterterrorist]



posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 04:48 PM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck
Think of it like this:

We reallocate the wealth of the world to every individual.

The once rich will save as they always have. The poor will waste theirs.

Oh snap. Back where we started.


You sound very stupid but I know you're not. YOU are the poor one because you measure human worth in dollars, not in love. Best regards and hopes for a happy life.

Here are the urls to my argument as of today.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
and
www.abovetopsecret.com...

check this out, it’s the ONLY way to penetrate concrete with an air supply: ‘Mind control protection & counter-measures for ATS folks’ www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 04:52 PM
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Originally posted by Vasa Croe

Originally posted by Rockpuck
Think of it like this:

We reallocate the wealth of the world to every individual.

The once rich will save as they always have. The poor will waste theirs.

Oh snap. Back where we started.


Sorry for the one word reply but:

Prezactly!

star for you!

Now there's a stupid club of would-be capitalists who have no understanding of the argument and think it's directed at them.

FOLKS, YOU'RE WAGE-SLAVES, YOU'RE NOT CAPITALISTS. Maybe if you read the warm and fuzzy posts at the links below, you'll at least understand the discussion and stop appearing as you have been.

You guys should help, not hinder. If you want to remain wage-slaves, go for it, you probably will. If you want to understand the argument, the worst that can happen is that you, like me, might learn something along the way and be a better person.

Here are the urls to my argument as of today.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
and
www.abovetopsecret.com...

check this out, it’s the ONLY way to penetrate concrete with an air supply: ‘Mind control protection & counter-measures for ATS folks’ www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by WhatTheory
A) Why should I give a rats ass what the Euro trash thinks about the U.S.
B) Laughing at what? How they are still inferior. Yes, that is funny.



FOLKS, PLEASE REMEMBER THIS PERSON APPEARS TO BE AN FBI COINTELPRO AGENT PROVOCATEUR PAID TO CAUSE PROBLEMS AT ATS -- someone would have to be paid to be this disruptive.

No joke. Check out every post made by this agent of 'no' change.

Every single post ridicules and marginizes what people say.

Here are the urls to my argument as of today.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
and
www.abovetopsecret.com...

check this out, it’s the ONLY way to penetrate concrete with an air supply: ‘Mind control protection & counter-measures for ATS folks’ www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 05:06 PM
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Originally posted by Vasa Croe
Damn this thread has me itching!
How about an easier solution.....we create another holocaust, only this time we target weak and poor.....anyone that makes less than 200k a year must either leave the country never to return or be executed. This idea is asinine as is re-distribution of wealth.


Not really ... I think your idea is much more asinine. This only proves you fail to understand the argument and 'get down on your knees and' worship the CAPITALIST BANKERS that own the fed.

YOU ARE NOT A CAPITALIST. YOU ARE A WAGE-SLAVE. THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO ARE CAPITALISTS ARE THOSE WHO PRINT AND OWN THE MONEY, NOT THE ONES THEY RENT IT TO.

THE CAPITALISTS ARE GOING TO BE DIVESTED AND THEIR WEALTH REDISTRIBUTED. if you want to include yourself as a support of the NWO, then go ahead, cut your own air supply.

Here are the urls to my argument as of today.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
and
www.abovetopsecret.com...

check this out, it’s the ONLY way to penetrate concrete with an air supply: ‘Mind control protection & counter-measures for ATS folks’ www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by Gorman91Listen you commie, if you remove the government, gangs replace it. If you remove the wealthy, then people rob to get ahead because people WANT to be better then those around them.


How would you know what wealthy people do? You're a wage-slave.

I think you are describing yourself in the above paragraph, that you are a criminal who robs people, and your comments are based on your experience and prison records.

Here are the urls to my argument as of today.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
and
www.abovetopsecret.com...

check this out, it’s the ONLY way to penetrate concrete with an air supply: ‘Mind control protection & counter-measures for ATS folks’ www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 05:13 PM
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Originally posted by WhatTheory

Originally posted by counterterrorist
Boy, you're really teaching me patience. You've got to read: eustace mullins, ‘Secrets of the Federal Reserve’
www.barefootsworld.net...

Umm....what does this have to do with the Constitution?


You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
Look, Mr. Agent Provocateur, I have something for you:

Here are the urls to my argument as of today.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
and
www.abovetopsecret.com...

check this out, it’s the ONLY way to penetrate concrete with an air supply: ‘Mind control protection & counter-measures for ATS folks’ www.abovetopsecret.com...


[edit on 28-6-2008 by counterterrorist]



posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 05:15 PM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
Can we abandon this troll and let him drown in his sea of failure?

[edit on 25-6-2008 by Gorman91]


Here you go:

Here are the urls to my argument as of today.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
and
www.abovetopsecret.com...

check this out, it’s the ONLY way to penetrate concrete with an air supply: ‘Mind control protection & counter-measures for ATS folks’ www.abovetopsecret.com...


[edit on 28-6-2008 by counterterrorist]



posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 05:17 PM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
Woops. DP.

[edit on 25-6-2008 by Gorman91]


Here are the urls to my argument as of today.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
and
www.abovetopsecret.com...

check this out, it’s the ONLY way to penetrate concrete with an air supply: ‘Mind control protection & counter-measures for ATS folks’ www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 05:19 PM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
Isn't Hillary out of the race?

Also, 100% of either side is evil, as I've repeatedly said but your tiny mind can't comprehend.


HERE'S ANOTHER PERSON WHO ACTS LIKE A COINTELPRO AGENT PROVOCATEUR ... someone would have to be paid to be this disruptive and negative.

So far, on ATS there seem to be at least two FBI cointelpro agents provocateur and 2-3 neo-nazis ... unless they're the same people.

Here are the urls to my argument as of today.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
and
www.abovetopsecret.com...

check this out, it’s the ONLY way to penetrate concrete with an air supply: ‘Mind control protection & counter-measures for ATS folks’ www.abovetopsecret.com...


[edit on 28-6-2008 by counterterrorist]



posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 05:24 PM
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Originally posted by WhatTheory

Originally posted by Gorman91
Can we abandon this troll and let him drown in his sea of failure?

[edit on 25-6-2008 by Gorman91]

Yeah, I think you have something there since he never answers a direct question or skirts around the actual question. Plus he continually spews the same rhetoric over and over again. ... This is getting nowhere since he obviously cannot express his thoughts in his own words because it's obvious when he is copying other people's material and when he writes his own sentences.


THESE APPEAR TO BE TWO FBI COINTELPRO AGENT PROVOCATEURS PAID TO DISRUPT ATS ... people would have to be paid to be this disruptive.

Here are the urls to my argument as of today.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
and
www.abovetopsecret.com...

check this out, it’s the ONLY way to penetrate concrete with an air supply: ‘Mind control protection & counter-measures for ATS folks’ www.abovetopsecret.com...


[edit on 28-6-2008 by counterterrorist]



posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by Vasa Croe
OP.....you seem no better to me than a religious zealot ... I commend your fortitude through the battle of wits in this thread, but you are far out matched.

You keep citing the same threads and writings over and over.....WE GET IT.....this is all you have read for the last 10 years and all you ever talk about ...

Say something that you think yourself, not something that others have said before you. Maybe you should start thinking for yourself instead of citing works and quotes from others.

Everything I have said comes from me and my thoughts. I have no problem saying them to anyone face to face.
Don't take this as an attack...I really want to know.


I guess we're opposites. I try to document everything I say with facts, sources and references. I guess it comes from being an investigative journalist and editor. I'm more inclined to cite precidents.

Personal opinion is great if you want to hear yourself talk, but if you want to prove a point in law or journalism or in argument, the whole point is not just to express your own opinion ... unless you're an expert witness, for example.

However, I've followed your advice and in the posts below I HAVE EXPRESSED MY OPINION:

Here are the urls to my argument as of today.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
and
www.abovetopsecret.com...

check this out, it’s the ONLY way to penetrate concrete with an air supply: ‘Mind control protection & counter-measures for ATS folks’ www.abovetopsecret.com...


[edit on 28-6-2008 by counterterrorist]



posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 05:41 PM
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Originally posted by Cyberbian

Here is the fundamental problem with Socialism, as I understand it.

...it promises to take Moe off the loading dock and put him in charge of operations for the corporation. Moe deserves this because he has spent 30 years lifting boxes on and off trucks.

... wealth is symbolic. A rich man eats about as much as a poor man. So taking his food will not feed 100 ... You take this away, and you have economic collapse and unemployment, as businesses go under.

The problem is Moe is not competent to run a business, which is why he is on the loading dock in the first place. Moe will not get to run the business even if Socialism takes hold of society. A few commissars will seize control for themselves, and squeeze the life from Moe, just like they always do.


You've just described capitalism not socialism.

Here's the proof:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 28-6-2008 by counterterrorist]



posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 05:48 PM
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Originally posted by windwaker
Socialists ... are always the ones preaching ... fairness and equal distribution of wealth, and rights for workers...but on the job they are the very people who cause the most trouble.


Well, well said for a wage-slave who propones CAPITALIST BANKERS who own the capital and own the money and rent it to you, the wage-slave.


This is mainly because they have a naive sense of human nature ...They are blind to their own basic instincts They believe humans can honestly and trully help each other WITHOUT THE NEED FOR RECOMPENSE and WITHOUT A HINT OF MALICIOUS INTENT.
[edit on 25-6-2008 by windwaker]


I think you've just described yourself, buddy. Here's why:

urls to my argument as of today.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
and
www.abovetopsecret.com...

check this out, it’s the ONLY way to penetrate concrete with an air supply: ‘Mind control protection & counter-measures for ATS folks’ www.abovetopsecret.com...





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