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Originally posted by MajorMalfunction
BTW, what medical degree does Jenny McCarthy have? Because I'm not about to take the panic reaction of a blonde with big knockers as proof of anything except that she's looking for a scapegoat for what happened to her kid. The argument from authority does not prove thimerosol causes autism any more than saying Einstein used the word god proves there is a creator.
There's more info and REAL research in this thread.
Originally posted by niteboy82
I was vaccinated, and I don't have autism. Almost everyone I know from childhood was vaccinated. Still no autism.
I do believe that if parents make this decision, they should be prepared for their children without vaccines to be closely watched, because if they come down with some disease, they are going to be subjecting a lot more people to it as well.
That would be like walking around with Hepatitis and infecting everyone you encountered, knowingly so. It is just wrong.
These vaccines containing thimerosol could be updated. It could be phased out. No doubt, there is no reason that comes to mind (other than the almighty dollar) not to. For the time being however, I severely question the logic in knowingly exposing a child to proven dangers, to prevent potential dangers. What point is there of not giving your child a vaccine to prevent one condition if a whole plethora of other diseases is possibly going to take its place?
Originally posted by MajorMalfunction
I have a perfect right.
People in the modern world don't see this stuff anymore exactly BECAUSE we have vaccinations.
Originally posted by MajorMalfunction
I would dearly love to see this "proof" that deadly diseases were on the decline before vaccines.
This table shows the truth: HALF A MILLION children dead of measles per year. 152,000 dead of mumps.
People who are against vaccinating their children are only protected from their kids' dying because parents who are responsible get their kids vaccinated.
Weak arguments trying to compare vaccines with smoker's cancer notwithstanding.
[edit on 18-10-2007 by MajorMalfunction]
Originally posted by MajorMalfunction
By the way RT, nice shift to ad hom attack when you can't show the proof of your evidence.
Can we stick to facts, or do you have more names you'd like to call me?
Whooping cough in the U.S. has been rising for the first time ever in recorded history since 1978 (or just after that to be precise), and consistently ever since. The 1996 level was the highest since 1967 (CDC MMWR Oct 31 ‘97). So what happened in1978? This was the year that the U.S. mandated w.c. vaccination for school entry. So much for the so-called "herd immunity" idea. In fact researchers worked out from hospital admissions that by 1985-1988 the rate had ALREADY reached what were in fact pre-vaccine levels (JAMA 1992), and the sustained increase has continued since, so, with a mandatory 5-dose course of DPT vaccination, the whooping cough rate now is FAR higher than before the vaccine was even introduced.
Q Are any vaccines compulsory in the UK?
No, however most parents who question them are often met with disapproval from their GPs and health visitors. Concerned parents should take as long as THEY need to make an informed decision. Most vaccines can be given at much greater ages, if this is the parent's wish, so there is no need to decide by the times indicated on the immunisation programme.
Originally posted by MajorMalfunction
I would dearly love to see this "proof" that deadly diseases were on the decline before vaccines.
Originally posted by FreeThinkerIdealist
Are you saying the vaccinations don't work? .......
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If it doesn't work, then, you are putting mercury in your child's veins for nothing.
An outbreak of measles occurred among adolescents in Corpus Christi, Texas, in the spring of 1985, even though vaccination requirements for school attendance had been thoroughly enforced. Serum samples from 1806 students at two secondary schools were obtained eight days after the onset of the first case. Only 4.1 percent of these students (74 of 1806) lacked detectable antibody to measles according to enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay, and more than 99 percent had records of vaccination with live measles vaccine. Stratified analysis showed that the number of doses of vaccine received was the most important predictor of antibody response. Ninety-five percent confidence intervals of seronegative rates were 0 to 3.3 percent for students who had received two prior doses of vaccine, as compared with 3.6 to 6.8 percent for students who had received only a single dose. After the survey, none of the 1732 seropositive students contracted measles. Fourteen of 74 seronegative students, all of whom had been vaccinated, contracted measles. In addition, three seronegative students seroconverted without experiencing any symptoms. We conclude that outbreaks of measles can occur in secondary schools, even when more than 99 percent of the students have been vaccinated and more than 95 percent are immune.
Originally posted by RogerTSorry, but you are making assumptions here and posting it as truth, as well as using the 'my grannie smoked 40 a day' argument.
Your argument falls apart if you are willing to consider that vaccination is not effective.
If that is the case, and I believe it is, then the absolute opposite to your statement about exposing dangers holds true, in both paragraphs.
Clinical studies of vaccines have shown them to be 85%-100% effective after appropriate dosing, with the exception of pertussis, which is only 75%-90% effective.6 The clinical effectiveness of immunizations, however, is best substantiated by observing the dramatic decline in incidence of disease since their institution. During the first six years after licensure of an effective vaccine, the incidence of invasive Haemophilus influenzae disease, for example, declined by 95% among children younger than five years old.
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