|
|
Topic started on 5-11-2003 @ 12:32 AM by Sapphire
|
Here are some articles on hell that i find most interesting to say the least. Let me know what you think
A Great Big Thankyou to darklanser for the Amazing job he did on my Avatar!!!
[edit] What is Hell to You?
www.what-the-hell-is-hell.com...
----- Below are some additional links for those wishing to understand more about where the idea of hell derives -----
www.tentmaker.org...
tentmaker.org...
[Edited on 5-11-2003 by Sapphire]
|
copyright & usage
|
Click here for more Conspiracies in Religions topics
Hot Topics
|
Top Topics
|
This Week
|
Subscribe
|
Home
|
reply posted on 5-11-2003 @ 12:38 AM by Valhall
|
Sapphire,
I read your links. They do not go with your thread heading. What is your point?
When you have clarified where you are trying to go with this thread, I will be glad to input.
|
copyright & usage
|
 |
reply posted on 5-11-2003 @ 12:40 AM by Sapphire
|
Just links on hell i found as it seems to be a topic many people have been asking lately, im sorry if you dont think the link matches the topic, i can
change it if you'd like
|
copyright & usage
|
|
reply posted on 5-11-2003 @ 12:42 AM by Valhall
|
Maybe you should. Because when I review the links posted in your originating post, I do not find any commonality between them. I don't necessarily
ask that you change anything, but that you post with additional issues you have in order to narrow the scope of the discussion.
The way I see it, with your original post and the links contained within it...the world is a canvas...if you get my drift.
|
copyright & usage
|
|
AboveTopSecret.com is advertising supported.
|
reply posted on 5-11-2003 @ 12:43 AM by drunk
|
I like the title of this thread makes me larf.
Well i'm gonna quote a line from Slayer(Metal Band)
"There is no heaven without a hell"
|
copyright & usage
|
|
reply posted on 5-11-2003 @ 01:04 AM by deafenceshit
|
some say that hell is the absence of god... i say that it is a state of mind, how you view your life, and how you choose to handle it.
|
copyright & usage
|
|
reply posted on 5-11-2003 @ 01:08 AM by ultra_phoenix
|
Originally posted by Sapphire
What The Hell Is Hell?!
It's the place where you'll have to go after your human death. Have a nice day. 
|
copyright & usage
|
|
reply posted on 5-11-2003 @ 01:15 AM by uIVIa
|
I think Hell is working. So I'm in Hell. And Hell takes up a lot of my time. I have to get ready for Hell. I have to go to bed at a certain time
to get to Hell at a certain time. I have to try and recover from Hell on the two days I'm allowed off. I have to force myself to not think
about Hell or the thoughts would invade constantly.
Here's a much better rant than I could come up with.
[Edited on 11-5-2003 by uIVIa]
|
copyright & usage
|
|
reply posted on 5-11-2003 @ 02:09 AM by Sapphire
|
I realised the moment i chose to place this subject in here i'd be faced with some opposition, i didn't do it to rattle any chains (ok maybe a
little bit .. grin) however it really is a good question i think and one that isn't talked about nearly enough on this level. Ok i'll just leave
this and let everyone take it from here. 
|
copyright & usage
|
|
reply posted on 5-11-2003 @ 02:17 AM by Kai-Raega
|
Originally posted by Sapphire
I realised the moment i chose to place this subject in here i'd be faced with some opposition, i didn't do it to rattle any chains (ok maybe a
little bit .. grin) however it really is a good question i think and one that isn't talked about nearly enough on this level. Ok i'll just leave
this and let everyone take it from here.
You don't have to leave the topic, personally, I thought the threads posted were fairly close to the subject of your post. I don't know what the
other gentlemen was looking for, but it all made sense to me. I just try not to get involved in religious debates because they tend to get very messy
in a very short time.
I believe Hell does exist, but not exactly the way most people see it. Unrepentant sinners and those who elected not to be saved are, I believe,
forced to relive their most horrible moments over and over again, and are also subjected to torture that plays upon their worst fears. For instance,
if you hate spiders, you might find yourself covered in them from head to toe while occasionally leaving your new insect-infested existence to relive
a time in your life that you *really* wish you could take back.
That's the best way I can put it. Keep in mind, this isn't based off of texts I've read or half-truths fed to me in bible study as a kid, but
instead comes from my own perception of hell. A combination of your greatest phobias combined with a constant reliving of your worst deeds and most
humiliating moments.
Then again, there is the theory Hell is a lie created by the church to scare people into believing them.
Let's just say I think it's better to be safe then sorry.
[Edited on 5-11-2003 by Kai-Raega]
|
copyright & usage
|
|
AboveTopSecret.com is advertising supported.
|
reply posted on 5-11-2003 @ 02:35 AM by greyarea
|
hrm. it sounds like you think hell just *has* to exist for some reason, like it's a natural law or something. If you're not based on "half-truths
fed to me in bible study", what exactly are you based on? all else being equal, i think a worldview devoid of eternal suffering is much nicer...but
then again, maybe i shouldn't be reading this topic.
|
copyright & usage
|
|
reply posted on 5-11-2003 @ 02:37 AM by Kai-Raega
|
Originally posted by greyarea
hrm. it sounds like you think hell just *has* to exist for some reason, like it's a natural law or something. If you're not based on "half-truths
fed to me in bible study", what exactly are you based on? all else being equal, i think a worldview devoid of eternal suffering is much nicer...but
then again, maybe i shouldn't be reading this topic.
As I said in my previous post, "It's better to be safe then sorry"
|
copyright & usage
|
|
reply posted on 5-11-2003 @ 02:44 AM by AntiSystem
|
After life could be experiencing your death over and over again in eternity, that would suck. Only speculations, and I wont go further, hehe... I wont
cast myself into another endless discussion about religion.
|
copyright & usage
|
|
reply posted on 5-11-2003 @ 02:48 AM by Kai-Raega
|
Originally posted by AntiSystem
After life could be experiencing your death over and over again in eternity, that would suck. Only speculations, and I wont go further, hehe... I wont
cast myself into another endless discussion about religion.
Me either friend, me either. Religious debates are *never*, and I mean never a good thing. We each believe something different, and none of us,
including me, know anything for sure.
This is one thread I'm going to be ignoring.
[Edited on 5-11-2003 by Kai-Raega]
|
copyright & usage
|
|
reply posted on 5-11-2003 @ 02:52 AM by Megaquad
|
According to st. Faustine hell is state where souls are tortured in extreme temperatures, plus absence of God and organ with which they sinned is
being tortured, plus torture of company of demons and satan.
[Edited on 5-11-2003 by Megaquad]
|
copyright & usage
|
|
reply posted on 5-11-2003 @ 03:44 AM by Sapphire
|
I'll post again later but i'd like to say a couple of things about what i personally have noticed.
1. how can a loving God throw most of his creation into an endless hell (no mercy) thus erasing the idea of an eternally merciful God.
2. the gospel nowadays tends to be more like this: you can get saved and go to heaven 'IF'... Jesus loves you 'IF' ... God won't condemn you
'IF' ... there appears to be 'Conditions here to God's love for his Beloved Creation now thus, again, removing the idea that Gods Love is
Unconditional.
3. in Old Testament times, the priests would sacrifice bulls and goats for the sins of 'all' the people whether or not they asked for it, it was
simply just done that way. They were then 'freed from sin' for one full year and as it says in the KJV, their 'Conscience's were also cleared for
the same amount of time. Thus, this takes us to another question ... Wasn't Jesus' Blood more Powerful than that of Bulls and Goats' ? Or did he
somehow fail? You see, It says that Jesus came to Earth to do the WILL of the FATHER in heaven, so either he did the Will of God or He Failed to do
the Will of God. And what was the Will of the Father?
It was to Restore Unto God ALL THAT WAS LOST. Not some or half or a handful but ALL. As Jesus said, If I be lifted up from the earth, i will draw
'All Men' unto me.
ok i'll continue this later on when i've had some caffeine
|
copyright & usage
|
|
AboveTopSecret.com is advertising supported.
|
reply posted on 5-11-2003 @ 03:53 AM by AntiSystem
|
We each believe something different, and none of us, including me, know anything for sure.
Yeah, thats what I believe also.
|
copyright & usage
|
|
reply posted on 5-11-2003 @ 06:38 AM by Megaquad
|
Originally posted by Sapphire
I'll post again later but i'd like to say a couple of things about what i personally have noticed.
1. how can a loving God throw most of his creation into an endless hell (no mercy) thus erasing the idea of an eternally merciful God.
2. the gospel nowadays tends to be more like this: you can get saved and go to heaven 'IF'... Jesus loves you 'IF' ... God won't condemn you
'IF' ... there appears to be 'Conditions here to God's love for his Beloved Creation now thus, again, removing the idea that Gods Love is
Unconditional.
3. in Old Testament times, the priests would sacrifice bulls and goats for the sins of 'all' the people whether or not they asked for it, it was
simply just done that way. They were then 'freed from sin' for one full year and as it says in the KJV, their 'Conscience's were also cleared for
the same amount of time. Thus, this takes us to another question ... Wasn't Jesus' Blood more Powerful than that of Bulls and Goats' ? Or did he
somehow fail? You see, It says that Jesus came to Earth to do the WILL of the FATHER in heaven, so either he did the Will of God or He Failed to do
the Will of God. And what was the Will of the Father?
It was to Restore Unto God ALL THAT WAS LOST. Not some or half or a handful but ALL. As Jesus said, If I be lifted up from the earth, i will draw
'All Men' unto me.
ok i'll continue this later on when i've had some caffeine
1. How can one creation insult God who gaved him life, and then get eternal joy for return? It would be unfair to God and other God's creations who
have been hurt.
Therefore - if God wouldn't punish them he would be unfair.
If you *ask* for mercy and *repent*, God will save you even if you have sins as Hitler.
"Ask and you shall receive"
2. Never heard of that 'IF' you are talking about
3. Nobody could go to heaven before Jesus, and now you don't have to kill bulls...
Jesus said when he comes he will put Good ones on his right and Evil ones on his left on judgement.
Evil ones shall be tormented forever..
I don't think this about salvation is that much complicated.. its all in the bible.
[Edited on 5-11-2003 by Megaquad]
|
copyright & usage
|
|
reply posted on 5-11-2003 @ 07:14 AM by straterx
|
Links aside............
There is no Hell .it was a primative attempt to draw a
conclusion based upon the concept of Good & Evil
which is a subjective reality.....The Truth is there is No Good or Evil its All just Experience .....When you take into account the true nature of the
"Soul".....
That is "Eternal Conciousness"
|
copyright & usage
|
|
reply posted on 5-11-2003 @ 07:38 AM by LeenBekkemaa
|
I would like to begin with the Fight between good (God) and evil (the Devil). First of all we have to say that the Devil (Lucifer which means
Bringer of the light) was the best angel of God, which turned against him. Then we also have to say Lucifer got 1/3th. of the Angels behind him. You
know all this, but have you ever thought about the fact how much 1/3th is?
1/3th of the angels of God turned against him, and they knew they would face certain death (its logical they knew they would die if they had 2/3
against them). Why should they fight against God (the so-called goodness) if they know they were going to die?
Or has there something happened what they couldn aprove, not because they were evil
but because they had a heart and a soul
and they knew what the
God was going to do
The God has killed the whole Egyptian army, letting it drown, together with all the horses, he let all the first born children be born death
all
those innocent children
he destroyed cities, he appointed Mozes the murderer as leader
he let the Israelites rob the Egyptians
he was the one which
killed 1/3th. of his angels, because they didnt obey him any more.
Why turned the angels and Lucifer against God? Perhaps because Lucifer knew God wasnt as good as menkind would like it to be, who is the one which
makes the Apocalyps happen again?
I know that you perhaps dont like to hear this kind of information
but you have been born with brains, and you know the above could be true
. Lets
look at the Egyptians now
Many believe Isis was the reincarnation of Mary (mother of Jezus) so Re would be God, and Horus would be Jezus, and he would fight Seth (Lucifer?).
The fight between good and evil lasted for many days
and guess what
there began a Godswar
not because the Gods liked fighten so much
but because
some where for Seth and some where for Horus. Lucifer was getting a lot of support as far as I can see, and thats not because he was such a bad
person, but he perhaps knew God was
Are we going to look further
we see that the God of Mozes made the plages, and the Egyptians got support from their Gods. Huh? Ever thought about it?
Mozes God came, and the Prayed for another God
. Which in turn also helped them
but they lost (Lucifer?). That fight lasted also for days
and I
think that was the fight between Lucifer and God
Lucifer (who tried to save the Egyptians lost) and then it is also obvious
God felt like drowning
the whole Egyptian army.
The pyramid of Chefren is for instance also 66,6 Pyramid feed high
coincidence? Or is it perhaps a fact that Lucifer was the only one who was trying
to save the Egyptians
the only one who knew that the God of the Apocalyps wasnt that friendly
Here you also notice the 2 different Gods. Do you now understand why you see the Egyptians as the very Pagan ones? Because the Pagan was the only one
who tried to help the Egyptians
the God of Mozes (Bible---Sirius) only wanted them death. And why? Egyptians where also fascinated by Sirius (the God
from Sirius) but they also have got shafts to Orion
the second God? You say it doesnt fit in the one God idea, where does the idea of one God comes
from? Elohim means Gods, and the first rule is: You should not honour any other Gods
why should God set that rule at number one if there wouldnt be
any other Gods?
I hope I have been able to give you some light on my thoughts about it, and perhaps it is useful for you to make another idea about the Gods
but then
again
its just my opinion.
I hope you dont think it to much to read, because I tried to keep it simple.
* They are Pagan, because Lucifer was the only one which helped them against death.
* There could perhaps be multiple Gods
and we havent been very lucky with the winner
Isn't hell just the place of death, the place where Lucifer went, when he was defeated? When he burned... while God is the wrong one... and Lucifer
just tried to save the Egyptians...
Where stays the idea of God being so good?
|
copyright & usage
|
|
