I read your links. They do not go with your thread heading. What is your point?
When you have clarified where you are trying to go with this thread, I will be glad to input.
Originally posted by Sapphire
What The Hell Is Hell?!
Originally posted by Sapphire
I realised the moment i chose to place this subject in here i'd be faced with some opposition, i didn't do it to rattle any chains (ok maybe a little bit .. grin) however it really is a good question i think and one that isn't talked about nearly enough on this level. Ok i'll just leave this and let everyone take it from here.
Originally posted by greyarea
hrm. it sounds like you think hell just *has* to exist for some reason, like it's a natural law or something. If you're not based on "half-truths fed to me in bible study", what exactly are you based on? all else being equal, i think a worldview devoid of eternal suffering is much nicer...but then again, maybe i shouldn't be reading this topic.
Originally posted by AntiSystem
After life could be experiencing your death over and over again in eternity, that would suck. Only speculations, and I wont go further, hehe... I wont cast myself into another endless discussion about religion.
We each believe something different, and none of us, including me, know anything for sure.
Originally posted by Sapphire
I'll post again later but i'd like to say a couple of things about what i personally have noticed.
1. how can a loving God throw most of his creation into an endless hell (no mercy) thus erasing the idea of an eternally merciful God.
2. the gospel nowadays tends to be more like this: you can get saved and go to heaven 'IF'... Jesus loves you 'IF' ... God won't condemn you 'IF' ... there appears to be 'Conditions here to God's love for his Beloved Creation now thus, again, removing the idea that Gods Love is Unconditional.
3. in Old Testament times, the priests would sacrifice bulls and goats for the sins of 'all' the people whether or not they asked for it, it was simply just done that way. They were then 'freed from sin' for one full year and as it says in the KJV, their 'Conscience's were also cleared for the same amount of time. Thus, this takes us to another question ... Wasn't Jesus' Blood more Powerful than that of Bulls and Goats' ? Or did he somehow fail? You see, It says that Jesus came to Earth to do the WILL of the FATHER in heaven, so either he did the Will of God or He Failed to do the Will of God. And what was the Will of the Father?
It was to Restore Unto God ALL THAT WAS LOST. Not some or half or a handful but ALL. As Jesus said, If I be lifted up from the earth, i will draw 'All Men' unto me.
ok i'll continue this later on when i've had some caffeine
I would like to begin with the Fight between good (God) and evil (the Devil). First of all we have to say that the Devil (Lucifer which means ‘Bringer of the light’) was the best angel of God, which turned against him. Then we also have to say Lucifer got 1/3th. of the Angels behind him. You know all this, but have you ever thought about the fact how much 1/3th is?
1/3th of the angels of God turned against him, and they knew they would face certain death (it’s logical they knew they would die if they had 2/3 against them). Why should they fight against God (the so-called goodness) if they know they were going to die?
Or has there something happened what they couldn’ aprove, not because they were evil… but because they had a heart and a soul… and they knew what the God was going to do…
The God has killed the whole Egyptian army, letting it drown, together with all the horses, he let all the first born children be born death… all those innocent children… he destroyed cities, he appointed Mozes the murderer as leader… he let the Israelites rob the Egyptians…he was the one which killed 1/3th. of his angels, because they didn’t obey him any more.
Why turned the angels and Lucifer against God? Perhaps because Lucifer knew God wasn’t as good as menkind would like it to be, who is the one which makes the Apocalyps happen again?
I know that you perhaps don’t like to hear this kind of information… but you have been born with brains, and you know the above could be true…. Lets look at the Egyptians now…
Many believe Isis was the reincarnation of Mary (mother of Jezus) so Re would be God, and Horus would be Jezus, and he would fight Seth (Lucifer?). The fight between good and evil lasted for many days… and guess what… there began a Godswar… not because the Gods liked fighten so much… but because some where for Seth and some where for Horus. Lucifer was getting a lot of support as far as I can see, and that’s not because he was such a bad person, but he perhaps knew God was…
Are we going to look further… we see that the God of Mozes made the plages, and the Egyptians got support from their Gods. Huh? Ever thought about it? Mozes God came, and the Prayed for another God…. Which in turn also helped them… but they lost (Lucifer?). That fight lasted also for days… and I think that was the fight between Lucifer and God… Lucifer (who tried to save the Egyptians lost) and then it is also obvious… God felt like drowning the whole Egyptian army.
The pyramid of Chefren is for instance also 66,6 Pyramid feed high… coincidence? Or is it perhaps a fact that Lucifer was the only one who was trying to save the Egyptians… the only one who knew that the God of the Apocalyps wasn’t that friendly…
Here you also notice the 2 different Gods. Do you now understand why you see the Egyptians as the very Pagan ones? Because the Pagan was the only one who tried to help the Egyptians… the God of Mozes (Bible---Sirius) only wanted them death. And why? Egyptians where also fascinated by Sirius (the God from Sirius) but they also have got shafts to Orion… the second God? You say it doesn’t fit in the one God idea, where does the idea of one God comes from? Elohim means Gods, and the first rule is: You should not honour any other Gods… why should God set that rule at number one if there wouldn’t be any other Gods?
I hope I have been able to give you some light on my thoughts about it, and perhaps it is useful for you to make another idea about the Gods… but then again… it’s just my opinion.
I hope you don’t think it to much to read, because I tried to keep it simple.
* They are Pagan, because Lucifer was the only one which helped them against death.
* There could perhaps be multiple Gods… and we haven’t been very lucky with the winner…