Iran cries uncle

Apparently the “pressure” the US is putting on Iran is having an effect. Most people just assume that the power to influence another nation is through the UN or military action, but we often forget that other things are always happening behind the scenes. Clandestine things, psy-ops, and other tactics we can only dream and speculate about.

But whatever the US is up too, it’s starting to show results:

Iran cries uncle

UNITED NATIONS (CNN) -- Iran's ambassador to the United Nations said Tehran wants to work directly with the United States on an "easily attainable" resolution, if Washington drops "the intimidation tactics."

The Iranian president speaks a tough game and stands up to the US publicly, and its great theatre (read: propaganda), but the pressure the US is actually putting on him and his government is immense and apparently effective. I can only guess or imagine what’s going on behind the scenes.

Ambassador Mohammad Javad Zarif's statement came the day after the International Atomic Energy Agency pleaded with Iran to continue talks with European nations that want to offer it incentives in exchange for ending its nuclear-enrichment program.

"We are prepared to engage in serious discussion in order to resolve this issue, and we have not made any exception with regard to the United States," Zarif said on Thursday.

You see, the US doesn’t need to bomb Iran, not when it already has the most powerful weapons inside Iran: The Iranian people.

Iranian unrest

Great!!If this will work right,than probably the war will backed for few years!!!But if Iran will break under this preasure and start bombing,i dont know Israel maybe??Sure there will be the great american solder to stop terrorism and another Iraq will be accomplished,but on what cost??iran probably will tried to shut down oil export and maybe whole gulf!!And that will be the worst that US goverment is afraid of.

According to the world of Right Wingers, when Iran says it is willing to join discussions, it must naturally mean it is because the NeoCon's testerone charged intimidation tactics has made them decide that.

Oooh the power of America!

Ooooh it can just look at you and make you wilt!

Oooh.

Next you'll be saying Bush can make Ahmadinejad melt with his laser beam eyes.


Iran have said they will only join discussions if there's something worthwhile on offer.

But let's forget that, because that does not fit with the perception America made them do it because of American Administration clever-ingenious-all-powerful-sabre rattling intimidation.

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Lol, I love it that whenever the taks werent going so great everyone blamed America, but now that they are going to talk they deny America had anything to do with it....

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Fantastic. As Skippy is polishing his celebratory post about how effective the US policies are, the centrifuges are spinning, and maybe in locations different from what is publicly known. You wouldn't bet we have really good intelligence on the ME, would you?

Iranians are buying time and I hardly see it as a triumph of anything or anyone. If it tickles skippy's anit-muslim sentiment, more power to him.

Hopefully we'll be able to work this out in a peacefull way, but I don't have trust in it, as Iran would be forced to drop its oil bourse, something which is not going to happen.


Fingers crossed!


Edit: and Iran will see conditions such as: ''you'll have to drop your nuclear program'' as pressure.

Besides, I thought Bush did not negotiate with terrorist states? It's widely known Iran supports terrorist networks.








[edit on 26-5-2006 by Mdv2]

The statment from Iran has nothing to do with what the US is doing behind the scenes.

They simply stated that they want to work directly with the United States on an "easily attainable" resolution, if Washington drops "the intimidation tactics."

GW. Bush only yesterday said that he would not offer incentives until Iran cooperated.

So, read between the lines, it's all propaganda.

Iran issues this statment & appears to be willing to cooperate if it is not intimidated, knowing full well this is never gonna happen.

The US & UK used the same tactics before the Iraq war. They mockingly went to the UN with a resolution for Saddam to comply that they knew would never be passed & was utterly unreasonable.

When it failed they could then say look, we tried you leave us no choice.

Yod

I agree with Aelita... this is an attempt to buy time. Either that or they brought some of Iran's best technical people to a secret loaction where they demonstrated a water fuel powered vehicle and threatened to release the technology thereby bankruptig Iran and all the other oil states.

I do agree with your statement Aelita... just messsing with you on the last part. ;-)

According to the world of Right Wingers, when Iran says it is willing to join discussions, it must naturally mean it is because the NeoCon's testerone charged intimidation tactics has made them decide that.

Or maybe they realised the kitchen is hot and they are figuring out ways to get out of it. NeoCons testestosterone intimidation tactics? Better than clever anti american message board rhetoric in my opinion.. Its not like people really need to be convinced that Iran is a small insect under the feet of the american military.

Oooh the power of America!

Ooooh it can just look at you and make you wilt!

Oooh.

Look kids!! A hater!!

Next you'll be saying Bush can make Ahmadinejad melt with his laser beam eyes.

Not really, youre just going off in the deep end for some sortof anti american response.

Iran have said they will only join discussions if there's something worthwhile on offer.

Yeah, and do you really think they are gonna be that picky? They are worried about the lives of their countrymen at this point.. Its getting down to the wire. Its an attempt to seem diplomatic as a result of fear. If they could nuke us today they would but its not possible and it never will be. War isnt about who is right and wrong (because people like you and me cant do anything about it) its a matter of who is left standing and Iran knows it wont be there anymore when the smoke clears.

But let's forget that, because that does not fit with the perception America made them do it because of American Administration clever-ingenious-all-powerful-sabre rattling intimidation.

Once again, your rhetoric is washed up and weak.. U assume that everything america does is for the sake of manipulation but in reality ur manipulating this entire thread.. good day, and have fun hating

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[edit on 26-5-2006 by nephyx]

Thats one things I have to agree on Aelita, all Iran is doing is buying time. I never understood what the huge threat or impending problem was in the immediate future when the US govt and other say Iran is 10 years away from have nuclear capabilities. Big f'in deal 10 years, 10 years whats the rush on getting them to stop.

Unless they are lying and Iran is 6months-1 year away from having the nuclear capabilties to build bombs. Then this is just a buying time manuver on Irans part. I was in Iran visiting family (one of the last jews left in the country those idiots) anyway what I saw was that young people there were more into drugs and orgies than here in america, it was wild I thought I was in Ibiza. The Iranian people are very much like the american people in there love of material goods and indulgences however also like the american people they have no real fight in them against the govt. Look at our govt and all the waste it causes monetarily and resources wise, the complete disregard for the constitution the kickbacks the favoring of prior affiliated companies.

Yet we as a nation dont care as long as it doesnt affect our daily lives, but even with gas prices were they are now we dont do anything really effective about it. In other countries particularly European ones or South American ones they would be out in the streets full force demanding and doing what it took to brings the prices back in line. Especially after seeing the record profits of the oil companies and knowing that their government was all former oil executives.

Iran & USA = future BFF(best friends forever) both just suffer from non politicly demonstartion active people and govt's who are immoral and power hungry.

Originally posted by Regensturm
According to the world of Right Wingers, when Iran says it is willing to join discussions, it must naturally mean it is because the NeoCon's testerone charged intimidation tactics has made them decide that.

Oooh the power of America!

Ooooh it can just look at you and make you wilt!

Oooh.

Next you'll be saying Bush can make Ahmadinejad melt with his laser beam eyes.


Iran have said they will only join discussions if there's something worthwhile on offer.

But let's forget that, because that does not fit with the perception America made them do it because of American Administration clever-ingenious-all-powerful-sabre rattling intimidation.

Ok, so when we are applying that kind of pressure on them were war mongering, and when it works to help start the creation of a peaceful resolution youre not for that. Your true colors are showing my friend. It doesnt matter what the US does, youd find a way to criticize it. I'm not a guy who typically lables others as anti-american or anything of that nature, but thats what your last statement tells me.

I've been thinking. If Iran wants an atomic bomb so badly the US should just give them one. I don't mean dropped from a bomber or at the tip of a missile, I mean just package one up with all of the manuals, documentation and instructions on how to make more of them, and just ship it over to them.

If Iran is just looking to defend itself and has peaceful intentions, as some of you believe, there should be no problem. That would get the nuclear weapons issue out of the way and should go a long way towards restoring normal diplomatic relations.

If Iran's intentions are not peaceful and they use the bomb, then there is the justification for blasting the entire country off of the map, by whatever means necessary.

I know which option my money would be on. Do you?

Many of you are missing my slant on this:

The USA is working very hard doing things you and I wont ever know about to put pressure on the Iranian government.

And I don’t necessarily mean they are playing nicey nice either. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn there are operations in process that are causing the Iranian government much grief right this very moment.

I wouldn’t be at all surprised to learn that special “black” technologies have been used to strike fear or at the very least doubt for the Iranian policy makers as well.

The world already thinks the USA will just bomb Iran, what makes you think that the US isn’t already using aggressive techniques on Iran?

Bottom line: Iran has all but spat in the face of the west on this issue, and most certainly they have thrown every offer to date back at them. But all of a sudden they need to “talk”?

Something’s pressuring them that you and I know nothing about…And they are feeling it.

Maybe Iran decided to call the US's bluff...bare with me.... Iran knows full well that the US has no interest in talking directly with them and is calling them out on it. If the US denies Iran direct talks it might be, with the hopes of showing the global community how the US isnt interested in diplomacy and in essence try to make themselves(Iran) martyrs. Im NOT saying its going to work. But I dont think that this latest decision by the Iranians is due to pressure.. Its more like a big chess game... from the US govt or military(or at least not their driving principles) You have to remember that Iran is NO Iraq.. they havea much stronger military then Iraq and have stronger alliances with countries like China and Russia...especially China(which is why i think Iran has been so brazen as of late)

But mainly like i said I think this is to try to set up Iran to make themselves martyrs here.
If diplomacy fails Iran will no doubt blame the US for not answering the call to direct talks.

And really all of this Nuke talk is all crap its really about the OIL BOURSE IMHO which is why we invaded Iraq. But if the US thinks they can just march into Iran we are in for another rude awakening. I know some of you think our military is unbeatable..but let me remind you of this: vietnam: Iraq... just because a force is stronger and/or larger does not grant it automatic victory. Its not that I am underestimating the US military..but more so that some people tend to underestimate our potential foes... We as a nation should not be so full of arrogant pride to believe ourselves as ultimately superior and infallible. For it is when we do this that we seal our own fate.

But also Russia says they are opening an oil bourse aswell..is america going to attack them to?

Lastly I am not saying that US pressure has not had SOME effect. But I do believe it to be secondary in proportion to what Iran has planned from thier own perspective..IMHO

I think you are right Tone, in a way, im certain everybody here is a little right.

- Iran HAS bought time for something they are up too
- The USA IS doing things to topple the Iranian government
- Iran DOES want to show the world they want to play nice, albeit with hollow sentiment
- And in the end I feel Iran will be bombed anyways.

I hope we see this headline soon:

“Iranian civilians topple its government in revolt. New leader asks the world for help…opens diplomatic relations with the world…”

I fear anything shy of an Iranian revolt wont be enough.

Originally posted by skippytjc
I hope we see this headline soon:

“Iranian civilians topple its government in revolt. New leader asks the world for help…opens diplomatic relations with the world…”

I fear anything shy of an Iranian revolt wont be enough.

If they do revolt I hope that we are smart enough to help them.

Iran has been trying to open direct talks with the US for a while, and the US has consistently refused. For all the talk about "dimplomacy", the US has so far rebuffed every single diplomatic overture the Iranians have made.

Far from being a reason to celebrate, this latest round shows the US leadership stubbornly adhering to a failed policy, a fake "diplomacy" where we refuse to even acknowledge that the Iranians are trying to talk to us.

Iran is hardly anyone's model country, but at least they've been attempting to talk. Too bad nobody in Washington is listening.

Originally posted by xmotex
Iran has been trying to open direct talks with the US for a while, and the US has consistently refused. For all the talk about "dimplomacy", the US has so far rebuffed every single diplomatic overture the Iranians have made.

Far from being a reason to celebrate, this latest round shows the US leadership stubbornly adhering to a failed policy, a fake "diplomacy" where we refuse to even acknowledge that the Iranians are trying to talk to us.

Iran is hardly anyone's model country, but at least they've been attempting to talk. Too bad nobody in Washington is listening.

Same with North Korea, they want direct talks, have for a long time. I think it's an ego thing. The US has a problem treating other countries as equals.

Iran wanting to deal with the American organization is nothing new it just never gets any real mention in the news. Just Neo-Bush propaganda.

Iran Proposal to U.S. Offered Peace with Israel
by Gareth Porter
www.commondreams.org...
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WASHINGTON - Iran offered in 2003 to accept peace with Israel and to cut off material assistance to Palestinian armed groups and pressure them to halt terrorist attacks within Israel's 1967 borders, according to the secret Iranian proposal to the United States. The two-page proposal for a broad Iran-U.S. agreement covering all the issues separating the two countries, a copy of which was obtained by IPS, was conveyed to the United States in late April or early May 2003. Trita Parsi, a specialist on Iranian foreign policy at Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies who provided the document to IPS, says he got it from an Iranian official earlier this year but is not at liberty to reveal the source.

The two-page document contradicts the official line of the George W. Bush administration that Iran is committed to the destruction of Israel and the sponsorship of terrorism in the region.

Ahmadinejad: Not Hitler After All
www.alternet.org...
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A now discredited article by Iranian-American and neocon chum Amir Taheri that appeared last Friday in the Canadian National Post suggested that new legislation in Iran would require Jews and other religious minorities to wear distinctive color badges. At the article’s end appeared this invitation to readers:

"Dangerous Parallel: Is Iran turning into the new Nazi Germany? Share your opinion online at nationalpost.com."

The readers who wrote in immediately savaged the article, its author and the National Post's facile, transparent attempt to resurrect the Wermacht. No one took the bait, and the disbelief quickly spread across the internet.

The swift rejection of this attempt to turn Iran into the Fourth Reich incarnate is surely a natural reflex of a public still smarting from the ordeal of the Iraq PR campaign. Another explanation for the rapid response is the massive growth in streams of alternative information available to the public -- organizations like Media Matters and PR Watch literally make their living exposing lies and propaganda as they are released through media and government channels.

U.S. resorts to blackmail to pressure Iran - Report
www.aljazeera.com...
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The United States is threatening foreign banks with fines and lost businesses if they continue their operations in Iran in a bid to squeeze the Iranian regime, USATODAY reported.

Top Treasury and State Department officials have stepped up efforts to limit bank’s operations in Iran in the past six months, imposing banking laws and traveling to Europe and the Middle East to stress the risks associated with dealing with the Iranians.

Paranoia As Policy - How Bush Brewed The Iran Crisis
www.rense.com...
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Why did the Bush regime create a crisis over Iran?

The answer is that the Bush regime is desperate to widen the war in the Middle East
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There is no evidence for the Bush regime's accusation that Iran is developing nuclear weapons. What the Bush regime is trying to do is to unilaterally take away Iran's right under the non-proliferation treaty to develop nuclear energy. It is the Bush regime that is violating the treaty by attempting to deny its benefits to Iran.
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The US cannot forever dominate the Middle East in behalf of its interests and Israel's. The US is running out of resources. The US is heavily in debt, yet continues to hemorrhage red ink. Washington is dependent on foreigners to finance its wars. Offshoring has diminished America's ability to manufacture. The US is now dependent on China for advanced technology products and on Europe and Asia for manufactured goods. The American middle class is beginning to experience employment problems and income stagnation. The neocons' idea that the US can patrol Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, and Syria in perpetuity is insane. The Bush regime has proven that the US cannot even occupy Baghdad.

Originally posted by skippytjc
“Iranian civilians topple its government in revolt. New leader asks the world for help…opens diplomatic relations with the world…”

I fear anything shy of an Iranian revolt wont be enough.

A revolution does not automatically make the government a pro-American one. The CIA overthrew the last democratically elected Iranian official.

Also,every section of the Iranian society, including the anti-government segment, support the nuclear program. Because of this I don't see how a democratically elected government can give up the nations right without being voted out of the office. One of the policies of Ahmadinejad during the election campaign was his unwillingness to compromise on the nuclear issue. Two of the other candidates, Rafsanjani and Mostafa Moin to a greater extent demonstrated willingness to compromise with the west. Moin lost the election comprehensively while Rafsanjani came second.


On the topic, I think it is fantastic that one of the sides is attempting to resolve the crisis through talks. Have to wait to see how the other side responds.

[edit on 26-5-2006 by Sep]