Originally posted by ubermunche
Following the 'aliens put here to eradicate mankind' scenario can we just have a quick show of hands as to those posters that feel the world would
be better off without any Muslims whatsoever or even think Islam should be eradicated. It'd be interesting to compare rhetoric with the Islamonazis,
they may have more in common than they think.
I just think if we want a rational discussion about this that kind of language is totally non productive.
I agree with you, but people do not really care about a rational discussion, they only care about feeling good about their stereotypes.
Originally posted by Freedom_for_sum
Originally posted by masterp
Would you be tolerant if CNN showed tomorrow Jesus in sexual intercourse with his mother? you wouldn't be tolerant at all.
Uh...let's see. Jesus being depicted having sex with his mother; ...and...the prophet Mohammed depicted in a drwaing with a bomb in his
turbine......Yeah, sure, I can see the correlation....NOT!
I know the analogy is false, but I can not give you an example of Jesus with a bomb in his hand, because you will simply ignore it. I have to give you
something that offends you in order to make you understand the problem better.
In any case; go ahead and show jesus having sex with his mother. I can simply change the channel!!! No need to burn down buildings and kill people
Ok, you do not care about that. How about the american flag with a nazi symbol in it?
Originally posted by masterp
If cartoons hurt no one, do you agree with publishing in CNN.com a cartoon with Jesus being a homosexual, or a drug addict, or a pedophiliac? after
all, it is a cartoon...
Go ahead!! I don't care!! Depicting Jesus in those roles is no threat to me. It doesn't shake my beliefs. Again; I can simply change the url, the
channel, or turn off the tv/computer!! It's MY CHOICE and I'm in control of those things that are important in my life. NOBODY else dictates to me
what's important or how I'm going to feel. Muslims need to learn this!!
You simply do not care enough about religion, that's why.
There it is folks!! OK Then. Since there is some perceived trasgression on the part of Christians 100's of years ago or because there were so many
other such viilians in the past like the Spaniards, Hitler, Pol Pot, the Ottomans, and Jack the Ripper; let's you and me, masterp, just sit back and
have a beer, or tea, or whatever; and let's watch the Muslim fundies have their way with blowing up innocents, including women and children!! It's
happened before; so why not let it continue to happen now!! Right?!? Is that the point you're attempting to make with that irrelevent statement
masterp? Please explain how evil people in the past justifies what's happening today. It doesn't. And your assertion is moot.
Many people before me and after me have made the same point: it is not religion that causes the bombings, it is people
The mistake you do, and many others do, is to think about a religion as the problem instead of thinking bout the people as the problem.
And before you say "I do not do such a thing", let me remind you something George Bush said: "if you are not with us, you are with them". By using
this line of thought, if you do not care about Muslims being offended by the "cartoons", then you are ok with it.
I don't truly believe they are aliens. So I'll retract that statement. That only leaves my accusation that Arab Muslim children are abused.
Of course you do not believe they are aliens...it was meant as humour. I can understand that.
But it is illogical to say "arab muslim children are abused, therefore when they grow up they become terrorists". Do you have a study to support
your claims? do you have an example?
Let's look at what happens in madrassas. Children are expected to memorize the Qur'an. They sit there for hours.......rocking back and
forth........uttering--and repeating--and uttering--and repeating; not stopping, until they've memorized; and memorized; and memorized--until they
get it right!! LITTLE CHILDREN!!
And children in America and Europe are forced to learn about "Adam & Eve", the seven days of creation, etc. Maybe they are not forced so strongly,
but the trend is to be a reborn Christian these days, isn't it?
Children who should be learning to ride bikes; or camels; or whatever!! Who should be playing sports and chasing each other around; and LAUGHING!!
Sometimes, these children, after being forced to sit and memorize the Qur'an, are forced into indentured servitude by their families. So poor that
garbage picking and manual textiles is more important than learning how to read
They do! who says they don't! just because you saw an image of children studying their religion, it does not mean these children do not do any other
Please show me ANYTHING productive that comes out of arab Muslim states. Can I buy a car made in Saudi Arabia? How about a Syrian cell phone? Can I
order a computer online from Libya?
Out of the 300 and more countries of Earth, there are a few countries (maybe 20 or less) in the world that make cars, cellphones, computers and other
things like that. Does that mean that all the people in the countries that do not make material products like that are inferior?
You sound like you are ignorant of history and sociology. You attribute economic facts on biology/race and not on history/sociology.
Let me give you an example to show you how wrong you are:
In the year 500 BC, most of Europe was in primitive state, with little or no written records. At the same time, Greece and Italy had developed a
culture 'millenia ahead' of those people in England, Germany and the northen states.
Did that mean that Anglosaxons/Germans/Nordics etc were inferior? 2500 years later and the situation is reversed: European south is poor and does not
produce any of the consumer goods you mention, whereas European North is rich and has a production of cars, airplanes, and anything you can
So in order to see why some parts of the world is like that, do not look in biology for explaining things, but in sociology.
May I also point out that the numeric characters we are using come from Arabs? Before those, we counted with Roman (XII, MCXII etc) and Greek (Alpha,
Beta, Gamma) letters.
But then Turkey is relatively secular; and probably more important; not part of the middle east. Why must so many Arab Muslims go to other countries
to get a decent education in all things besides Islam?
Turkey is actually 4 countries:
1) Istanbul: a huge city with 20 million people, most of them poor.
2) the western shore up to Ankara: situation similar to rest of western Europe.
3) the east part: primitive state; villages do not have electricity, computers are something they have never seen, and young daughets that had affairs
are publically slaughtered by their fathers with the concesus of the local authorities.
4) the Kurdish part: same as (3), but with different culture.
On another note, can anyone tell me:
a) what is humorous in the picture of Mohammed with a bomb in his turban.
b) why those "cartoons" where printed in a newspaper.
c) why all these months there was no problem (the "cartoons" were published in September), and the problem is now.