8 billion now 40 to come

Thank goodness for Mahmoud Ahmadinejad !

In five short months, Iran's radical new president has managed to do what legions of policy analysts and intelligence warnings have not.

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Iran ready to transfer 8 billion dollars from Europe because of fear they might be frozen.

www.asharqalawsat.com...

19/01/2006

By Ali Nouri Zadeh
Asharq Al-Awsat, London - Iran’s Supreme National Security Council ordered the Central Bank and a number of ministries to withdraw their hard currency deposits from European banks, except Switzerland, and transfer them to banks in Singapore, Shanghai, Hong Kong and Malaysia.

Iran has bitter memories of its money being frozen in US accounts shortly after the 1979 revolution and the seizure of the US embassy in Tehran. US diplomats inside were held hostage for 444 days and freed in 1981.

Ok, I am now really confused.

I thought Iran was going to sell it oil in Euros and not dollars starting in March, and this would be the move toward war with Iran.

Smart move to keep their cash available for an emergency, like a last minute flight to Hong Kong or Singapore !

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[edit on 20/1/2006 by Mirthful Me]

If you haven't been paying attention already, it's time to wake up. How much more evidence do we need that this is going to get ugly? Let's review the facts:

• Iran officially states that Israel should not exist
  
• Iran has missiles that can reach Israel
  
• Iran is working on a nuclear weapon for these missiles
  
• Iran has removed the seals from the nuclear development sites
  
• Israel would suffer millions of casualties if it attacks Iran first, but it would cease to exist if it waits for a nuclear attack
  
• The U.S. has 200,000 troops in a neighboring country
  
• Russia has quit backing Iran publicly
  
• France is now threatening nuclear retaliation if attacked
  
• Iran is pulling it's money out of Europe*
  

Everyone get ready for $100 a barrel oil and possibly a draft depending on Iran's retaliation to a sure attack by Israel and possibly the United States. The up-coming State of the Union Address will be very telling.


*always follow the money trail


If you have time I highly reccommend you listen to this radio show that interviews author Kenneth R. Timmerman and reporter Carl Limbacher from NewsMax.com. Some very interesting stuff discussed.


[edit on 20-1-2006 by dbates]

Originally posted by dbates

• Iran officially states that Israel should not exist
  

which is so said so many times in Iran as propaganda with no action over the last few decades (all talk no action) they could easily attack Israel with chemical weapons which it has in stock.

Originally posted by dbates

• Iran has missiles that can reach Israel
  

and they had those means for long enough and the WMDs to go with it
on that note almost all countries have missiles that can reach anywhere in the globe, that doesnt make Iran any diffrent.

Originally posted by dbates

• Iran is working on a nuclear weapon for these missiles
  

here we go again (another cry wolf by the US of A)
there has not been any proof that Iran is building nukes and even if it did it is years off, on that note Iran did aquire the specs from the US's ally Pakistan which it handed to the IAIE.

Originally posted by dbates

• Iran has removed the seals from the nuclear development sites
  

nah after 3 years for doing something that international law doesnt require of them.
which is it produce fuel for their own reactors, also dont bring russia into this they have shown how relaible they ar just look at whats happeing around europe with the gas isssue's.

Originally posted by dbates

• Israel would suffer millions of casualties if it attacks Iran first, but it would cease to exist if it waits for a nuclear attack
  

come on they could cause that much casualties with Bio weapons which they have large stocks of which they never have used in offence or deffence even when countries like Iraq used it against them.

in other notes they have the ability already to strike israel.

so easy with they will hit Israel with a nuke

Originally posted by dbates

• The U.S. has 200,000 troops in a neighboring country
  

and that is another reason why Iran should be strenghting its forces with a foe as powerfull as the US at its front and back doors.
which is hell bent on invading another nation for control of oil

Originally posted by dbates

• Russia has quit backing Iran publicly
  

and yet they keep insisting diplomatic solutions
when it comes to the big crunch eaither china or russia will veto to protect their assets

Originally posted by dbates

• Iran is pulling it's money out of Europe*
  

they lost billions whern the US froze their assists
did you expect them to just sit by and whatch their money disapear?
by doing this they are sheilding them selves from some of the effects of the sanctions.

[edit on 20-1-2006 by bodrul]

Much of my agreement is with bodrul.

That little speaker on the bottom of my boob tube was making a similar noise a few years ago about Iraq. We know how magnified it all was now.

I think the same thing is happening again. They're trying to protect the dollar. Us Americans have had it too good, our greed has been fed for too long and now it is fat and fighting to keep it - at anyones expense.

They can't come on TV and say "If we don't attack Iran, our dollar is going to worth less and all Americans will have to work harder for less."

The trust for the US is lost now, so we will have a real difficult time rattling the sabre loud enough this time.

They may have to resort to making a mock Iranian missle, sneak it into Iran and fire it off at Ireal or Europe to get it going this time.

Iran keeps hearing how bad they are form everyone else. No one likes to hear that. Human nature stops the leader of Iran to say "The US says we're bad, so lets hang our heads in shame and just accept it." They, like all other countries, have pride.

Any country that has ever said anything bad about the country you live in, you know that you felt something negative towards the country that said it. They are just doing the same thing.

I have stopped attacking people on this board with anger for two reasons, one, it will get me kicked, and two, my heart cant handle it.

But in reality, i am suprised by the attitude that just because Iran HAS NOT yet attacked in no way means they won't. You cannot hope and trust a country with a leader that has one purpose and that is to finally have the weapons capable to kill millions just like they have for the past thousand years.

Please guys, please loook at the killing that this region has done throughout its history. With the exception of a few people, the majority of the middle east has been murdering and killing in the name of a God for their entire existence.

Heres what im interested in knowing from the Iran-bots. People said leave hitler alone because he is just all-talk and no action, look what happened. People sat back and said leave japan alone, they are all talk. People have always been afraid to act before the obvious was coming. Why do you continue to support people who are calling for the annihilation of people and countries.

I want to know from these people, if iran attacked Isreal 15 minutes after you rwad my post, what would you say to me, and be honest, because I would really like to know.

Again, what would you say if iran attacked with NUKES at isreal 15 minutes after you read my post? This question applies only to people supporting Irans position on this Board

Train

I completely understand your perspective and your passion for it, but should we go and attack all countries that make similar threats? If so, then we should have already 'radiated' North Korea and other countries.

I agree that they are doing some bad things, but we can't police the whole world. You can make it known that if you do throw a nuke at anyone, we'll send 10 in return.

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but we can't police the whole world

Maybe not, but we have the power to protect the world one two bit dictator at a time and we should use it.

well big train its been 15 min and no attack
there is a diffrence from that time period and now
and hitler and Irans leaders

1. Irans president doesnt hold the same power as his counter part in the US.
2. he is a meer porn who is for show.
3. as i said before what he said has become a kind of tradition of Iran in rallying their people.
4. They have been saying it for over 20 years (read my above post about weapons and attack)

Originally posted by Dronetek

but we can't police the whole world

Maybe not, but we have the power to protect the world one two bit dictator at a time and we should use it.

and look where that has got your country

wasnt Iran a dicatater ship which was put there by the US untill the revolution?

didnt the US place the tyrent saddam as a dicatater of Iraq?

great policing

[edit on 20-1-2006 by bodrul]

No we did not place saddam in power and we did not place the current president of Iran in power, how did you come up with that idea? Saddam came to power by murdering members within his political party and then he ASSUMMED power.
He then held mock trials in which all members of the party were forced to attend and he then had certain members taken away to be assasinated, its all on video, and quite horrific.

We have the power to police the world because our society is too important and successful to be threatened by dictators whose goal is not national pride or national success like building colleges and civil projects and to better the lives of iranian citiznes, but his goal is to destroy a race, jews, who are quite more civilized than his own.

This is why we are making damn sure he doesnt acquire those weapons, and it's my personal opinion that we have already waited too long and given him enough chances. Reagan would have leveled that reactor years ago and made it very clear that Iran is not to have nuclear weapons.

look it up and you will see how much support your country gave him
and how your chums in Iran were overthrown

Iran has had a relationship with China for centuries (since the days of the Silk Road).

Iran seeks to secure nuclear technology. China seeks to secure oil reserves. Iran has oil. China has nuclear technology.

Russia has abandonned Iran to the scrutiny of the European Union (EU), who the Iranians view as the lap dogs of the US.

The US is, of course, The "Great Satan" for its support of Israel, at least in the eyes of Iran.

It is assumed by all that Israel has nuclear weapons. Fearing/Loathing Israel's assumed posession of nukes, Iran feels that it too should posess nukes; which Israel and the US have both adamently stated they will never allow.

Using its influence (coercion?) the US manouvers the EU into the postition of sanctioning Iran for pursuing nuclear (weapons) develoment. Iran realizes that such sanctions would likely include the freezing of its foreign bank accounts; at least those within the sphere of US/EU control.

I think a deal has been struck between Iran and China.

Notice that of the five locales Iran has decided to move its assets to, the only European recipient (Switzerland) is NOT a member of the EU. More importanly, notice that of the remaining four locales named, three of them are Under Chinese Control! And that the fourth is within China's "sphere of influence" and a prdominately Muslim country to boot!

Notice that Iran's former trade partner, Russia, has been left out in the (record) cold.

I believe, that as a permanent member of the UN security council, China would likely be able to veto any UN proposed sanctions against Iran?

Could the US take any direct action?

Consider the implications contained in the fllowing thread:

politics.abovetopsecret.com...

Essentially, to a dangerous extent, China controls a major portion of the US economy. If the US pushes Iran now, Iran can put pressure on the EU by cutting oil production. And their new partner, China, secure in its future assured supply of oil, could seriously impact the US's economy by forcing the devaluation of the US's dollar. Or, if the US "plays nice", China will force North Korea to behave.

Perhaps Iran has already won the war, without a shot being fired.

The chinese role in this drama is the mystery. They have remained aloof from it for the most part as policy, and in part from the very nature of the country, very insular and inward looking. Remember, everytime they've attempted to get involved militarily against the West, it hasn't been pretty.
No one knows how many soldiers they lost during the Korean conflict, the estimates I've seen seem kind of low to me, hundreds of thousands if not more. Economically, they don't seem quite ready to take on the west either, specifically the United States. They can not win a trade war, simply because they haven't stolen enough technological data and/or material.

Their silence is more than likely a wait and see what happens attitude. They will deal with Iran for oil as they have in the past, but I don't see a political alliance here. Why would China want to step into this ants nest of problems? They would be viewed as even worse than the Isrealis or the Americans, at least Jews and Christians are viewed as people of the book, and treated accordingly for the most part. The Chinese would be viewed even by the most moderate as non-believers, and therefore as evil-incarnate.

If, and I say if, not when; a war breaks out with Iran, I expect China to stay very carefully out of it, aside from saying all the politically advantageous things that all nations say about a conflict.

Originally posted by bodrul
look it up

and you will see how much support your country gave him
and how your chums in Iran were overthrown

Having support for a leader and "placing" a leader is 2 hugely different policies. So if Tony Blair was overthrown by a radical islamic government over there in Britian, and we had to wage a war with them, would it be another US placed Blair in power and now look what happened situation?

I'm not sure what point you are making

Originally posted by seagull

...........................
Why would China want to step into this ants nest of problems? They would be viewed as even worse than the Isrealis or the Americans, at least Jews and Christians are viewed as people of the book, and treated accordingly for the most part. The Chinese would be viewed even by the most moderate as non-believers, and therefore as evil-incarnate.
........

Here lies the fault in the thinking.

Europe did hate Jew race and religion... Anti-semitism, Holocaust.. all European ideas and actions.

Hatred for Israel among Muslims is not because of Jew Race or Jew religion,
it is because of Jewish actions of usurping Muslim's land and especially Al-Aqsa.

Muslims are not racists. The seeds of hatred for Israel were sown by UN+UK+USA. Jews are not wise if they expect good from those who expelled them from Europe.







chaudri

Originally posted by chaudri
Europe did hate Jew race and religion... Anti-semitism, Holocaust.. all European ideas and actions.

Hatred for Israel among Muslims is not because of Jew Race or Jew religion,
it is because of Jewish actions of usurping Muslim's land and especially Al-Aqsa.

Muslims are not racists. The seeds of hatred for Israel were sown by UN+UK+USA. Jews are not wise if they expect good from those who expelled them from Europe.

Are you freakin kiddin me man, where have you been. The Islamic-Jewish war has been going on since the beginning of time!!!! Thousands of years before the US was even a country, so please bro, try again.

Train

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[edit on 21-1-2006 by DontTreadOnMe]

Originally posted by chaudri
Hatred for Israel among Muslims is not because of Jew Race or Jew religion,
it is because of Jewish actions of usurping Muslim's land and especially Al-Aqsa.

Muslims are not racists. The seeds of hatred for Israel were sown by UN+UK+USA. Jews are not wise if they expect good from those who expelled them from Europe.


chaudri

You don't seem to have a good knowlege of history.
There were wars with the Jews from the very beginning of Islam, when the muslims slaughtered the jews of Khaybar.

There are also numerous pogroms and massacres committed by muslims against assyrian Christians, Maronite Christians and others.

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originally posted by BigTrain

The Islamic-Jewish war has been going on since the beginning of time!!!! Thousands of years before the US was even a country,........

Dear BigTrain! give example of any acts of Holocaust, Racism, Ethnic cleansing committed by Muslims against Jews since the beginning of time.

Islam appeared about 14 centuries ago.
Before that Romans (Europeans) had ruined
Jewish Cities and Civilisation; had crucified Jesus Christ.

On the contrary, the days of Muslim/Islamic Empire ( from 7th to 18th centurie AD) were the only days of peace for the Jews since the beginning of The Roman (European) Empire till today.

Can any body quote anything against it?





chaudri

Originally posted by AceOfBase


You don't seem to have a good knowlege of history.
There were wars with the Jews from the very beginning of Islam, when the muslims slaughtered the jews of Khaybar.

Yes, their were wars between Jews and Muslims, in the beginning not since the beginnig of Islam. Men are killed in wars.

You named one Khyber War, can you name any Musim-Jewish War after that.

Originally posted by AceOfBase


There are also numerous pogroms and massacres committed by muslims against assyrian Christians, Maronite Christians and others.

My post did not mention Christians.
Were Assyrians and Maronites Jews by race or religion?

It is a fact that Muslim Empire well protected the rights of Jews within its domain, contrary to the Europeans who always crushed Jews by race and religion where ever they ruled, and at last expelled them to the middle-east.


Again read the History.





chaudri





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[edit on 21/1/2006 by chaudri]

My post did not mention Christians.
Were Assyrians and Maronites Jews by race or religion?

You didn't mention Christians but you did say that muslims were not racist and I don't believe that.

I mentioned the slaughters of Christians as one example but there are more, like the muslim treatment of non-muslims in the Middle east, Asia and Africa right now.

Okay, we seem to have forgotten the topic of this discussion: this is getting very far off-topic.

The discussion should be focusing on the 8 billion dollars Iran plans to take out of Europe, not the several subjects now rersiding in this thread.

Thanks to all.