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The Shadow Government of the United States and the Decline of America

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posted on Aug, 6 2003 @ 09:40 AM
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This is a complete resume, of what is going on, refering more to the economy and social issues than anything else, it takes a while to read, but it is very interesting, and also very informative about the actual situation.

Enjoy the reading:


In spite of the difficulties facing America, there is still no other place I would rather live; however, our nation is at a crossroads, not unlike the difficulties faced by our forefathers. Many of the same conditions that prompted the Declaration of Independence prevail in America today. Of the indictments against the King of Great Britain, our Founders declared:
"He has erected a Multitude of new offices, and sent hither Swarms of Officers to harass our People and eat out their Substance."

There are literally hundreds of thousands of government employees administering various regulatory agencies with budgets in the billions of dollars. Regulatory compliance alone exceeds $460 billion annually.

Our Founders, opposed to "taxation without representation," also declared that the King was: "...imposing Taxes on us without our Consent."

Yet, taxation with representation now sees the average American working through May to meet his or her yearly local, state, and federal tax obligations.

Commenting on debt, Benjamin Franklin warned:

"The burden of debt is as destructive to freedom as subjugation by conquest."

Our legislators have not balanced the federal budget since 1969, and the national debt has, since 1980, quadrupled to over $5 trillion. Its monthly interest costs now exceed the yearly interest costs of just twenty years ago.

The Declaration of Independence states:

"We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights."

Rest of the Article:
www.afgen.com...




posted on Aug, 7 2003 @ 08:06 AM
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I don't have time to read the whole thing, but I think that is almost 10 years old (not that some of the topics are any less relevant).

I recall some problems with it the last time I saw it, but can't remember now.



posted on Aug, 7 2003 @ 08:18 AM
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The only problem with this article William, is that it touches base more than most anything else I have read.

I have read simular related documents and had disscusions about nearly the exact things pointed out the article above. I is a surprise more of you havn't read this. I would reccomend that you people at least read it is sections if you cannot read it in one sitting.

I'm on my way to work, but I plan on finishing this later tonight. And I expect people to be ready for a POP QUIZ!

LoL

Ok, so it isn't a pop quiz anymore but it could have been





posted on Aug, 7 2003 @ 08:40 AM
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Cold,

I am in meeting all day, but from my skim of the document, it appears this guy is anti-republican and wants everybody to know it. I do believe that the government controls the market, but let me read more before I respond



_the wiz



posted on Aug, 7 2003 @ 08:44 AM
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Originally posted by Shining Wizard
Cold,

I am in meeting all day, but from my skim of the document, it appears this guy is anti-republican and wants everybody to know it. I do believe that the government controls the market, but let me read more before I respond



_the wiz


Ok, but you may read it all first, i know it takes a while but is worth to read it all in one go.
But u may feel afterwards in the article how he puts the republicans and democrats in the same bag, (meaning important people and not followers).
I think this is more accurate, just check it out and u tell me mate,



posted on Aug, 7 2003 @ 09:04 AM
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It was great to read how america actually works, and it was a nice history lesson for me.
Like william said, the article is pretty dated, much has changed due to the war on terror, and the current reccesion. I have little to say about it, since I am total stranger to americal internal politics, and don't really belive in a NWO, and all that stuff.
But I enjoyed reading it.



posted on Aug, 7 2003 @ 09:44 AM
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Abraham Lincoln: "I have two great enemies, the Southern Army in front of me and the bankers in the rear. Of the two, the one at my rear is my greatest foe..."

Jesus of Nazareth: "Love your enemies...."

Hehe Seems like good ol' Abe actually put his finger on something here. Presidents don't rule America: Money does, and whoever has them


Man, that was a long article. I'm not finished reading yet, but I'll comment along the road. There seems to be many quotes that has been ripped out of context here, but it paints a picture of America that I feel has much truth in it, perhaps even True.....

Blessings,
Mikromarius



posted on Aug, 7 2003 @ 09:53 AM
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I'm reading this right now (haven't got too far, but working at it) and so far it looks accurate.

Mikro, Lincoln's words were prophetic as I am convinced that his assasination was orchestrated by the bankers as their power is much greater under martial law (martial rule) than with a Republican form of government.



posted on Aug, 7 2003 @ 09:55 AM
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I will read this when I get an hour or two BUT I notice the central theme seems to be that banks Rule America...

There is ONE bank that Rules America - The Fed, with King Greenspan at the helm...

BTW - I happen to be a mortgage banker...
PEACE...
m.



posted on Aug, 7 2003 @ 10:21 AM
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"In addition, examine the "amount due" on your property tax statement: You will not find a dollar sign affixed to that "amount".

Why? The Currency Act of 1792, which has never been revoked, defines a dollar as 412.5 grains of 9/10 fine silver (originally 371.25 grains of 11/12 fine silver). Federal Reserve Notes are not redeemable in silver. To affix a dollar sign to the "amount due" would be fraudulent. They know this - and you don't. "

Interresting.... Norway used to have a "gold foundation" of our currency in the old days, but this was changed later so that the value of Norwegian money no longer is connected to the nation's gold reserves, but now the value is set by the amount of money flowing in the markeds and economic growth. It is now the Bank of Norway who lends out money to the private banks who decides which interrest should be put on these loans and thereby control inflation and deflation based on pretty advanced calculations of expected growth etc. Social Economy was never my strong field, so perhaps I'm abit off here, but this is how I think it works, but my memory isn't that good


Blessings,
Mikromarius



posted on Aug, 7 2003 @ 11:06 AM
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Good (Looooooong) read. Sums up nicely what Whispers kept alluding to as well.
The one part where i think they may have a problem pulling this off is here:


At the end of stage 1 (of 3 stages), one half of our armed forces are to be placed under U.N. control, and all citizen-owned guns banned, hence the myth that gun control is crime control. What they don't say is that, under a world government, all populations must be disarmed. In this country, names would be collected from registration forms required by the 1968 Gun Control Act (which is patterned from the 1938 Nazi "Law on Weapons").

What they fail to realize is that MANY guns are owned privately from long before 1968. I, personally, have 4 that I never "registered" but own legally.
The day that foreign troops are walking the streets of america will be the first day of the next revolution.



posted on Aug, 7 2003 @ 11:16 AM
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"Have you ever wondered why, since WWII, U.S. foreign policy has allowed Communist expansion?"

Seems more and more to me that this guy doesn't oppose the NWO at all, he just dissagrees with the way things are heading. He seems to want American World Order, but only in order to destroy communism and socialism and therethrough widen the financial marked of the States. To me Marxism or the "Communist Manifesto" is nothing but a description of the social economical mechanisms in the grand scale, with a primary goal to milk or drain the public so to speek, in order to establish an order of slaves and masters, by stealing away the free will of the public through full control over the land, property, wealth, education etc, making it the reward for the few on the top who are loyal to the system. Until such wealth collected is distributed to the poor and needy, and to reduce environmental pollution and deterioration instead of using it on weaponry and paying off robber states of tyranny, we will have no peace. Or in other words: As long as Energy is the base of our economies, peace will not exist, only control and unrightious tyranny. For peace doesn't mix with money and wealth as long as most of the capital is dependent on war and energy.

Blessings,
Mikromarius



posted on Aug, 7 2003 @ 11:47 AM
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"This Senate study looked at the top 130 corporations and placed every name of every board of directors into a computer and found this: 70% of the top 130 corporations are interlocked directly or indirectly with the lower companies. They even found many competing companies and corporations have the same board of directors and several members of the same board of directors"

What is the difference between this and communism? Just change the Polit Party with these people and you have a communist state within the republic of USA......

Blessings,
Mikromarius



posted on Aug, 7 2003 @ 12:04 PM
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Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Mikro, Lincoln's words were prophetic as I am convinced that his assasination was orchestrated by the bankers as their power is much greater under martial law (martial rule) than with a Republican form of government.


Mr. Lincoln was without any doubt an intelligent person who wasn't ignorant to the facts of political life and the mechanisms of the world. But to call him a prophet because he understood that a nation is a slave of Mammon and the few who own it and control it, I think is to bend the stick abit too much


Blessings,
Mikromarius



posted on Aug, 7 2003 @ 12:06 PM
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I have read it. It describes the mechanations between the secret societies and the US Gov. WE HAVE BEEN BETRAYED, OUR US GOV HAS BEEN OVERTHROWN!

For the secret society connections read this link www.grailwerk.com...


[Edited on 7-8-2003 by All Seeing Eye]



posted on Aug, 7 2003 @ 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by All Seeing Eye
I have read it. It describes the mechanations between the secret societies and the US Gov. WE HAVE BEEN BETRAYED, OUR US GOV HAS BEEN OVERTHROWN!

For the secret society connections read this link www.grailwerk.com...


[Edited on 7-8-2003 by All Seeing Eye]


I'm still reading it. I'm at the point where the Fed Res. is illegal and unconstitutional. I would concur.



posted on Aug, 7 2003 @ 12:19 PM
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A long read, but I think there are a couple of points that need to be addressed.

The article seems to harp on and on about how US citizens are overtaxed. Yet look at us in the Rest of The World. We work just as hard. We pay just as much in taxes. We get far less for our money than you do though.
Taxes are a fact of life. We ALL have to pay them whether we like them or not. You guys in the US get no worse a deal than we do in the Rest of The World.

The article states that the US is insolvent in it's opinion.
But does insolvency really matter when you actually own the World economy? If the US goes down - WE ALL GO DOWN. Words mean nothing as long as the dollar keeps rolling along (which is just what it is doing and just what it will do).

The article brings up the fact that some banks have major interests in the US. Hello from the Rest of The World again. At least there are a dozen or so over there who have a say in your affairs. There are countries out here that are owned by one bank and therefore are controlled by one organization. Where is the democracy there?

All in all, a very doom and gloom outlook because of the political slant of the article's author. But there are no suprises here. Written another way it wouldn't seem as shocking or as frightening.
This is the way that things have always been run and always will be run until we invent a new way of paying for our lives.
Economics is a science in itself.



posted on Aug, 7 2003 @ 01:14 PM
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The Declaration of Independence states:
"We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights."

Now, when this states all men.....does it refer to the law abiding christian white male, or anyone of any creed or caste?

Sorry, curious.
Deep



posted on Aug, 7 2003 @ 01:14 PM
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Well I was asked to respond to this and I will.
I must admit first that I am relatively unfamiliar with such matters. The haze which once hindered my vision has been lifted, as of about 2 weeks ago. My vision returns but is still "adjusting." I am sure that there are many who can correct me on what I am going to say...being they will have more insight to this then I will.

Having read the article given by CA, I have come to realize that there are many, such as myself at one time, who found it hard to believe that 'something' such as this, as grand as this, existed. That old saying that things happen for a reason holds new meaning when one seriously thinks about it, especially in light of this topic and information herein presented.

As many know here, I argued fervently against a few here when it dealt with 'conspiracies' and government betrayals, etc. Hindsight is 20/20.... This whole matter and topic is real to me. There is a global conspiracy going on. It has been going on for quite some time. Disception and secrecy within secrecy is a must for this "group" of the worlds elitist few....otherwise known as the Illuminati/COINTELPRO or whatever one wishes to call them. It really doesn't matter. All the secret societies, though some may work against another group/society, are all apart of one group. When added together, they represent the "whole." Their agenda is the New World Order....one world government, one world religion, one world monatary control, one world subversion, dominance and, in a sense, slavery or subjugation. Europe was the focus of this activity until the United States started becoming a major world player and once it became apparent that the US would certainly be a major "super-power," focus changed from Europe to the US. The US represents a powerful tool of administering their agenda(s). Example:

The Council on Foreign Affairs. This is the American Branch of a society which originated in England and believes national boundries should be obliterated and one-world rule established. This organization virtually controls our government.

The Trilateral Commission. This is an international organization making up 300+ very prominent people of all business, political, and intellectual backgrounds. This organization is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the US.

Both these organizations work hand-in-hand to control the US but from what I have gathered, the CFA is the controlling organization. I also believe that PNAC is an agenda/policy of this also, another example of this organization's influence in the US and on the government and her policies.

The IMF is a major part of this conspiracy on a world stage. The most powerful secret organization in the world, which is part of the "whole," is the Bilderburg Group. The heart of this group, consisting of 39 members, are some of the most powerful, most influential financiers, industrialists, statesmen, and intellectuals in the world today. The Rothschild family is apart of this and has been a factor behind this whole organization and movement. It has been rumored that the Rothschild family was the one who instructed Adam Weishaupt to create the Bavarian Illuminati. The Rothschild family is one of the most wealthy and powerful families in the world today.

To make this short.....
There is no organization, political government, religious sect or otherwise, that has not been penetrated and is not under some degree of control of this secret organization. The UN is going to be a "major" tool for this organization...the IMF....the list goes on.

I have come to believe that the US, as with other nations, have come under the control and influences of this organization and its inherent agenda(s). This makes one really think when it is applied to the concept of "The elitist few" dictating to the "ignorant many."

It is up to all of us to fight this, to remove the haze which surrounds or minds and eyes and seek for better understanding and "vision." The truth is what we seek and endeavor to find.....it is truth that can overcome this.
Joseph Goebbels once sayed:
"The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from political, economic, and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth becomes the greatest enemy of the State."

All I can really say is....Welcome to the "Greatest Shew on Earth"......


regards
seekerof



[Edited on 7-8-2003 by Seekerof]

[Edited on 7-8-2003 by Seekerof]



posted on Aug, 7 2003 @ 02:42 PM
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I didn't read it all.I have little foundation in US political history.
The piece seems to show that the USA faces many of the same problems as before it achieved Independence.I believe that to be true.In governance there are rarely new problems only new enviroments in which they occur.It shouldn't be a revelation that all problems haven't been sorted out yet.Nor that it is exploited.I was disconcerted to see all the references to God.I think mixing religion and politics in a serious piece blurs it's objectiveness.For instance I don't see the first step to solving the problem is to pray.

Cold Anger,Perhaps you could give us your opinion.Maybe outline the problem.

JB1





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