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Originally posted by ufo_believer
Ok maybe God isn't so bad after all. I've often wondered why he even puts up with our stupid species for so long.
Buddha
A dog is not considered a good dog because he is a good barker. A man is not considered a good man because he is a good talker.
Originally posted by ufo_believer
Ok maybe God isn't so bad after all. I've often wondered why he even puts up with our stupid species for so long.
Originally posted by saint4God
God told Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit or would they would surely die. They knew at this point what would displease God, yet they CHOSE to disobey him. Now you parents out there should know, when teaching your child the difference between right and wrong, one needs to be "firm but fair". What kind of parent says, "What you did was wrong, but I'm going to go against what I said and not punish you"? Does the child learn a lesson or repeat the violation? I'll even submit that the child will continue to try to 'test the limits' of their ability to break the law in order to see what they can get away with. God was firm but fair.
Originally posted by ufo_believer
And Islamists are incapable of keeping peace with Israel. Most people don't know this but it's basically the fault of the muslims for denying that Israel has the right to exist. Look at all the land those muslims own but the Jews can't even have their own small share? Not fair
Originally posted by Seapeople
You know, having an inferiority comlex is considered having a mental disorder. Just wanted to remind you of that.
Originally posted by Seapeople
Also, since saint is trying to justify the murder of innocent people by his god...which simply never occured anyway. We could conclude that he wants to believe his god is a murdering peice of crap. After all, when he flooded the earth, I can guarantee that there were innocent children that never had the oppurtunity to sin.
Originally posted by Seapeople
They perished according to the bible. They parished and went to hell, because jesus had not ressurected from the dead.
Originally posted by Seapeople
I love the attempts that people like you
Originally posted by Seapeople
use to justify your horrifying belief system. Continue along the path that your pastor tells you to saint.
Originally posted by Seapeople
Now saint, tell me. Don't you believe that god knows everything past present and future? He created Adam an eve with this same knowledge correct? He created them with the knowedge of what they would do. He created hell with this knowledge, and lucifer for that matter. He created it all according to you, knowing everything he would have to do with what he created. Including damning people to hell. Yeah...what an upstanding guy.
Originally posted by Seapeople
Sounds like your leader is no better than hitler or stalin to me. Actually, he is worse. He is the one who made hitler and stalin knowing what they would do even before they were concieved. Gotta love this guy.
Originally posted by Seapeople
A song comes to mind. It is buy a group called, A Perfect Circle. Here are the lyrics.
Originally posted by Seapeople
Awww, the truth can be so clear sometimes.
Originally posted by riley
Originally posted by saint4God
God was firm but fair.
No he wasn't. Women got punnished with excrutiating childbirth and bleeding profusely once a month.. men got the right to rule over womankind up until just recently and the right to blame her every time he f#cks up.. where is the fairness?
Eve "Well if I had to do things over.. "
Adam "It was worth it.. I'm happy as a pig in sh!t."
Originally posted by Scat
Not tyring to play the devil's advocate- but how well do any of you "know" your God according to ancient scriptures?
Originally posted by Scat
As I have always boasted, the Bible, Old and New Testament, is nothing more than a BOOK. If you take a photo of it, the photo is not reduced to a ball of white light.
Originally posted by Scat
You can buy it at a convenience store.
Originally posted by Scat
It is a BOOK, written by MAN nonetheless. As much as I could say God is an umbrella, you would nto believe me. but if it said it in the Bible, you would. Double standard?
Originally posted by saint4God
Women live longer, becoming stronger through these struggles.
I could submit that men dying at a younger age, being denied growth experience, denied carrying the miracle of life,
the first to die in wars, forced to labor all day in the searing sun, are therefore short-changed.
Sexism and racism starts the same way. The grass is always greener on the other side, huh?
Let's put envy aside for a moment. How about instead of complaining about our lives to generate anger, we take a step back and see how indeed we all have a boat-load of blessings.
Originally posted by riley
Originally posted by saint4God
Women live longer, becoming stronger through these struggles.
You mean these punnishments don't you?
Originally posted by riley
the first to die in wars, forced to labor all day in the searing sun, are therefore short-changed.
Where in the bible does god give this sentence for eating the apple?
Originally posted by riley
Back to scripture though - "Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all the living"
Originally posted by riley
Yeah okay.. how long have men had the vote?
Originally posted by riley
Does the bible not say that women are the property of men?
Originally posted by riley
How often do you hear of men being victims of domestic violence compared to women?
Originally posted by riley
Are men safer to go for a midnight stroll or are women?
Originally posted by riley
Do they earn the same? etc. etc.
Originally posted by riley
I could make the list longer but you could just take a look at our culture to get a better picture. Saying 'the grass is always greener' is a copout as it implies that discrimination is merely imagination and perception.
Originally posted by riley
Again.. childbirth was meant to be a punnishment not a blessing.. I remember nothing in the bible where god says "Adam. For you sins Eve will outlive you and you will work outdoors and be forced to go to war against the people I haven't created yet."
Originally posted by riley
And envy? I love being a woman.. but open the bible and it's begins with condemning females..
Originally posted by riley
you cannot remain blind to the misoginry the bible has [and still] promotes.
Originally posted by riley
You did not really address my points. How can god be considered fair when he didn't even hand out the first people he created equal punnishments?
Originally posted by saint4God
Glad you asked! I hope that gives me permission to quote:
Genesis 3:17 "To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commaned you, 'You must not eat of it,'
Cursed is the ground because of you,
through painful toil you will eat of it
all of the days of your life.
It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
from dust you are
and to dust you will return."
Work until death! Ouch...
Glad you asked! I hope that gives me permission to quote:
Genesis 3:17 "To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commaned you, 'You must not eat of it,'
Cursed is the ground because of you,
through painful toil you will eat of it
all of the days of your life.
It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
from dust you are
and to dust you will return."
Work until death! Ouch...
"And our sister Sophia (is) she who came down in innocence in order to rectify her deficiency. Therefore she was called Life, which is the mother of the living, by the foreknowledge of the sovereignty of heaven. And through her they have tasted the perfect Knowledge. I appeared in the form of an eagle on the tree of knowledge , which is the Epinoia from the foreknowledge of the pure light, that I might teach them and awaken them out of the depth of sleep. For they were both in a fallen state, and they recognized their nakedness. The Epinoia appeared to them as a light; she awakened their thinking.
"And when Yaltabaoth noticed that they withdrew from him, he cursed his earth. He found the woman as she was preparing herself for her husband. He was lord over her, though he did not know the mystery which had come to pass through the holy decree. And they were afraid to blame him. And he showed his angels his ignorance which is in him. And he cast them out of paradise and he clothed them in gloomy darkness. And the chief archon saw the virgin who stood by Adam, and that the luminous Epinoia of life had appeared in her. And Yaltabaoth was full of ignorance. And when the foreknowledge of the All noticed (it), she sent some and they snatched life out of Eve.
"I, therefore, the perfect Pronoia of the all, changed myself into my seed, for I existed first, going on every road. For I am the richness of the light; I am the remembrance of the pleroma.
"And I went into the realm of darkness and I endured till I entered the middle of the prison. And the foundations of chaos shook. And I hid myself from them because of their wickedness, and they did not recognize me.
"Again I returned for the second time, and I went about. I came forth from those who belong to the light, which is I, the remembrance of the Pronoia. I entered into the midst of darkness and the inside of Hades, since I was seeking (to accomplish) my task. And the foundations of chaos shook, that they might fall down upon those who are in chaos and might destroy them. And again I ran up to my root of light, lest they be destroyed before the time.
"Still for a third time I went - I am the light which exists in the light, I am the remembrance of the Pronoia - that I might enter into the midst of darkness and the inside of Hades. And I filled my face with the light of the completion of their aeon. And I entered into the midst of their prison, which is the prison of the body. And I said, 'He who hears, let him get up from the deep sleep.' And he wept and shed tears. Bitter tears he wiped from himself and he said, 'Who is it that calls my name, and from where has this hope come to me, while I am in the chains of the prison?' And I said, 'I am the Pronoia of the pure light; I am the thinking of the virginal Spirit, who raised you up to the honored place. Arise and remember that it is you who hearkened, and follow your root, which is I, the merciful one, and guard yourself against the angels of poverty and the demons of chaos and all those who ensnare you, and beware of the deep sleep and the enclosure of the inside of Hades.
Originally posted by riley
1. If you are reffering to traditional gender roles.. women work just as hard working in the home and rearing kids.
Originally posted by riley
but the 'curse' was created to stigmatise and denograte women. I do not believe in the adam and eve myth- it just annoys me as it imposes false labels of 'inferior',sinful, weak, evil etc on women which has carried over into christian based cultures and is still influencing things.
Originally posted by riley
I also believe this discussion is futile as your bias towards the OT will keep you trying to white wash examples of your gods 'unfairness'.. even though you requested them.