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Now on your restaurant bill: Obamacare fee

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posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 09:57 AM
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Blackmarketeer
Reading the two articles on this, the restaurant is charging for a fee that doesn't exist yet.

Florida Restaurant Charging Customers For Obamacare Costs That Don't Exist Yet

Reading the other article, what is not being told is that only companies that employ over 500 full time workers will have to meet the ACA requirements. So the restaurant, which states it only employs half it's 500 workers full time (250 full time workers) is already exempt, but they'll charge extra all the same just to stiff their customers.


And we thank you for pointing out that fact!!

This reminds me of those "panels" that Hannity interviewed regarding all the "fictional" hardships being put on them and their companies by the ACA. When the truth came out, not a damned one of them was telling the truth. At least not the whole truth which was totally different than what they were trying to get the public to believe.

On top of that, who would have thought that a 1% increase in cost was too much for a business to bear. Especially one that pays it's tip earning employees somewhere around 3 or 4 dollars an hour to begin with. Reminds me of when John Schnatter of Papa John's pizza was all up in arms about how he would have to charge an extra 10 to 14 cents per pizza to cover the cost of becoming ACA compliant. As it turned out, even those estimates are highly questionable.

Cenk Uygur of "The Young Turks" pretty much said it best here; (warning, he uses a foul word)





posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 10:04 AM
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Newsflash people.... there are other ways of getting insurance besides your employer.
Why chastise the very same person who gives them (his employees) an opportunity to make some money in the first place?
500 employees is not a big company. 1% is not a lot of extra money either. Its very possible that he is telling the truth when he says that the ACA has the potential to close his doors and he came up with a way to help himself and his employees, with minimal cost to the customer. (by doing what he can to keep his business running and his employees working.)
People want to treat this guy like he's some giant, rich corporation owner. He most likely cares about his employees and I doubt he is doing this to screw people over. Not to mention he is being upfront about the charge to keep a level of transparency to his customers.
If this was Donald Trump doing this, or some giant company that sees big profit, I could get on the hate bandwagon.
However, the fact is that this guy owns a small business in the food service industry, where you can loose everything in the blink of an eye. Restaurants are one of the hardest small businesses to keep running.



posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 10:04 AM
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Here's the sad part, those workers aren't paid $7/hr, in Florida it's $3.02/hr - but they're taxed at the full rate of 7.93/hr because the government lumps in tips it's assuming those workers are receiving. It 's possible with tips they break $7/hr, may even go over it. But then they may be making much less than $7/hr too.
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That is probably true, but then that also represents not the free market but government bureaucracy stealing money out of our pockets. Isn't Big Government fun?



posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 10:07 AM
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If he's only able to keep his doors open by virtue of a 1% margin, I hate to be the one to tell him this but he should probably close his doors anyway.

Who operates their business on a 1% margin? Please!!!



posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 10:10 AM
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RIght, people are complaining about this guy but wait till it is common practice to pass the costs on to consumers with not just small companies but the giants like Monsanto and GE...


As individuals are counting the costs, so are employers. Much has been said about smaller companies with more than 50 employees cutting hours, or offering part-time work, to avoid the ObamaCare mandates. But when the bean counters at larger companies start counting those same costs, comparing penalties versus increased premiums, many will likely terminate their group plans altogether and let their employees shop the exchanges for themselves.


www.thenewamerican.com...

How fun is that when Frankenfoods and mercury-laden green bulbs will be even more expensive while poisoning us.
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posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 10:14 AM
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neo96

BritofTexas
A Right Wing owner of a Restaurant chain finds a new way to fleece their customers and blame Obama.

Expect the same from Papa Johns when he hears about this.



As opposed to OBama that has been fleecing this country for the last 6 years?

And some have the GD nerve to blame the 'right wing'.

Newsflash there.

Obama care is a right wing ideology.



The deficit is dropping and his federal spending is far less than previous administrations so where is the fleecing? And seeing how the ACA was dreamed up by the right wing Heritage Foundation you can call it a right wing ideology. At least you got that part right.



posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 10:16 AM
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Flatfish
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If he's only able to keep his doors open by virtue of a 1% margin, I hate to be the one to tell him this but he should probably close his doors anyway.

Who operates their business on a 1% margin? Please!!!


Have you noticed the cost of everything lately? Or you just haven't been to the grocery store in the last year????



posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 10:21 AM
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Its hard to even blame the businesses.If they had to eat the tax alone could put them out of business.Now the customers have to pay for something they don't use!It just gets worse and worse...



posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 10:22 AM
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Nice little scam this owner is running. How to make more money for nothing add a tax to the customers bill and blame Obama for it. It would be a laugh if the customers in that town got together and charged him with fraud.



posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 10:23 AM
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BritofTexas
A Right Wing owner of a Restaurant chain finds a new way to fleece their customers and blame Obama.

Expect the same from Papa Johns when he hears about this.



So you are saying that there is no additional cost? In the end a company can only survive with employee cost of 30 to 35% and as that goes higher for whatever reason.. wages, healthcare etc the company will downsize their employees in either hours, numbers or both, or they will raise costs which now could affect competition.

My company is far from right wing and they had to raise co-pays from 20 to 30 dollars, and greatly increase emer room, major healthcare copays to overcome much of Obamacare.



posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 10:31 AM
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The deficit is dropping and his federal spending is far less than previous administrations so where is the fleecing? A


Is that some kind of GD joke ?

Bullsnip.

7 trillion dollars have been spent the past 6 years.

Starting with stuff like multiple debt ceiling raises.

Now if EITHER was shrinking there is no GD need to raise the debt ceiling limit.




And seeing how the ACA was dreamed up by the right wing Heritage Foundation you can call it a right wing ideology.


The reason it is called far right Ideology is because thee Democrats created it, and forced the American people to buy a corporate product-healthcare.

The Democrats is a right wing party.

Though they REFUSE to see their fascist ways.



posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 10:34 AM
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ThirdEyeofHorus

Flatfish
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If he's only able to keep his doors open by virtue of a 1% margin, I hate to be the one to tell him this but he should probably close his doors anyway.

Who operates their business on a 1% margin? Please!!!


Have you noticed the cost of everything lately? Or you just haven't been to the grocery store in the last year????


Better yet, have you checked out the corporate profit margins lately? Hell, they're going up faster than groceries!

And you think that ObamaCare is the dominant cause? You don't think that record droughts could have anything to do with it do you? Or how about increased fuel and transportation cost, think they could play a part?

Prior to my retirement, my fringe benefit package equalled $9.50 per hour, (that was on top of my hourly wage) with $5.00 of that going to healthcare coverage alone.

To be able to provide healthcare coverage to your employees for 1% is a bargain and even if it meant raising the cost of the meal, I can't think of a time when 10 or 15 cents would have stopped me from buying the pizza or eating the burger, etc...



posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 10:37 AM
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When about 70% of your money coming in, goes back to buying more food to serve, employee pay, property tax, ect.
1% could make a difference. if they serve 50 $20.00 meals a day, for a year, that is $365,000.00
1% of that is $3650.00. If that goes into the extra cost of insuring his 500 employees it could make a difference.



posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 10:48 AM
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o0oTOPCATo0o
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When about 70% of your money coming in, goes back to buying more food to serve, employee pay, property tax, ect.
1% could make a difference. if they serve 50 $20.00 meals a day, for a year, that is $365,000.00
1% of that is $3650.00. If that goes into the extra cost of insuring his 500 employees it could make a difference.


He's already paying more than that now for his share of the public cost of picking up emergency room care for the uninsured in his county/parish and/or state.

We're paying for it now, that's what you have to understand and we're paying for it in the most expensive, least effective form of healthcare on the market, which is in the emergency room.

Why do you think the Congressional Budget Office report stated that the ACA would reduce healthcare cost and aid in deficit reduction?

On top of that, he may even realize an increase in productivity, less sick days etc... with a workforce that has adequate healthcare coverage.
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posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 11:05 AM
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NoRulesAllowed

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
bringing up ways to fix the problem.


What "problem"? The fact that an employer needs to care about their employees health insurance? You guys in the US call this "a problem"? Why is this? WHO ELSE should pay for employee's health insurance? The Easter Bunny?


Oh wait...the "solution" is of course that the employee which might possibly make $7/hr tops in a restaurant in FL should pay out of their pockets! Yeah..sounds reasonable to me! /sarcasm


Care to explain WHY the employer is responsible for the employees' health, and not the employee?



posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 11:10 AM
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neo96

Obama care is a right wing ideology.



Neo, I don't star you often but you are right on here.

Having health care managed by companies who charge you premiums just so you can visit people in charge of your life is a capitalist concept. Take that idea and then make it mandatory and well... that's just right-wing capitalist utopia right there. Obama relished in the "socialist" name-calling because he knew that it got the left to listen to his ideas.

It's a law written by, and for, insurance lobbyists. I still prefer it over what we have though, if only to make us rip off the band-aid sooner and find an actual universal healthcare solution like they have in all of the real first-world nations.



posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 11:13 AM
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abecedarian

NoRulesAllowed

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
bringing up ways to fix the problem.


What "problem"? The fact that an employer needs to care about their employees health insurance? You guys in the US call this "a problem"? Why is this? WHO ELSE should pay for employee's health insurance? The Easter Bunny?


Oh wait...the "solution" is of course that the employee which might possibly make $7/hr tops in a restaurant in FL should pay out of their pockets! Yeah..sounds reasonable to me! /sarcasm


Care to explain WHY the employer is responsible for the employees' health, and not the employee?


Don't you know?

If the business can't take care of you, then government will take care of you, because people are too weak and passive to take care of themselves.



posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 11:26 AM
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abecedarian

NoRulesAllowed

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
bringing up ways to fix the problem.


What "problem"? The fact that an employer needs to care about their employees health insurance? You guys in the US call this "a problem"? Why is this? WHO ELSE should pay for employee's health insurance? The Easter Bunny?


Oh wait...the "solution" is of course that the employee which might possibly make $7/hr tops in a restaurant in FL should pay out of their pockets! Yeah..sounds reasonable to me! /sarcasm


Care to explain WHY the employer is responsible for the employees' health, and not the employee?


That's mainly because of insurance companies. The make it so that it's only affordable through large corporate packages.

Is the best solution to put the responsibility on employers? Nope. In fact, I don't understand the connection other than what the insurance companies create. Unfortunately, it's all a part of the GOP/DNC trick.

They trick the right-wing to mysteriously defend insurance companies and their "right" to screw Americans and, at the same time, attack the concept of playing ball with those same insurance companies.

We have all been conditioned to be hypocrites. And we're damned good at it.



posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 11:27 AM
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beezzer

abecedarian

NoRulesAllowed

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
bringing up ways to fix the problem.


What "problem"? The fact that an employer needs to care about their employees health insurance? You guys in the US call this "a problem"? Why is this? WHO ELSE should pay for employee's health insurance? The Easter Bunny?


Oh wait...the "solution" is of course that the employee which might possibly make $7/hr tops in a restaurant in FL should pay out of their pockets! Yeah..sounds reasonable to me! /sarcasm


Care to explain WHY the employer is responsible for the employees' health, and not the employee?


Don't you know?

If the business can't take care of you, then government will take care of you, because people are too weak and passive to take care of themselves.


And business employers are already paying out the arse for employees.

With the HEALTHCARE via workmancomp, and half of the medicare contributions.

Employers were already paying for employees healthcare.

Hell between paying for employees SS contributions,medicare contributions, workmans comp, and unemployment INSURANCE.

If employers weren't already paying out the butt they could prolly afford to pay a higher hourly wage.

I swear they always cry about what they don't have?

THEY NEVER LOOK AT WHAT THEY DO HAVE.
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posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 11:46 AM
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When a company defines this is a "fee", it doesn't fall under the money collected for the service/product they offer.



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