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The importance of Spiritual Discernment when reading the Bible.

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posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 11:50 AM
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Again, do you even know the origins of the Hebrews?
How do we get Caucasian Hebrews in Poland and Lithuania?
Or are they really gentiles from "the nations" who were ordered by their king to convert to Judaism?




posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 01:43 PM
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jmdewey60
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Again, do you even know the origins of the Hebrews?
How do we get Caucasian Hebrews in Poland and Lithuania?
Or are they really gentiles from "the nations" who were ordered by their king to convert to Judaism?


How you get anyone anywhere?

Still, you are going to have to prove genetically they aren't. My genome has been tested and I have the results, I am descended from Middle Eastern and guess what, so are Ashkenazis.

Any "gentile" can become Jewish, if they convert. So what? Any Hebrew can become Christian if they convert. It's not like Christianity holds authority over genomes.

Judaism and Christianity are FAITH systems. But you missed the big point....Ruth, gentile. Hagar, gentile. Rebecca, gentile. Rachel and Leah, gentiles, Rahab, gentile...see the pattern?

But they became Jews, see the pattern?

Why don't you stop cutting the forest down because you don't like the trees.



posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 02:55 PM
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. . . so are Ashkenazis.
Just a tiny bit, which can be accounted for by the teachers that were sent to teach the Khazars Judaism.



posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 03:07 PM
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jmdewey60
reply to post by WarminIndy
 

. . . so are Ashkenazis.
Just a tiny bit, which can be accounted for by the teachers that were sent to teach the Khazars Judaism.



And so what's the problem you have with that?

This whole Khazarian theory is simply anti-Semitism, it doesn't change the fact that you haven't replaced them at all in God's plan. I'm not sure what church you believe you belong to, but it's a Greek one, so go look for your salvation in Greek mythology. That's where your doctrine comes from. Be content hunting your Easter Eggs on Oestara.

Go ahead, find your salvation in Greek mythology. Be content in your Circe, I mean Kirke, I mean Kirk, I mean Church.



posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 04:07 PM
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jmdewey60
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Do you interpret from Martin Luther's interpretation?
He just happens to be the best known theologion who early on came to that conclusion concerning the use of the word Atonement by Paul.
Most later serious biblical scholars agree with it, that Paul was using it in two key places in his writings to refer to the Mercy Seat.
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which does not make him right, BTW.

that is his opinion, nothing more.

Jesus Christ redeemed us all for our original sin but eternal salvation of our soul is all on us - individually - and faith alone is not getting you there.



posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 04:10 PM
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WarminIndy

jmdewey60
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. . . so are Ashkenazis.
Just a tiny bit, which can be accounted for by the teachers that were sent to teach the Khazars Judaism.



And so what's the problem you have with that?

This whole Khazarian theory is simply anti-Semitism, it doesn't change the fact that you haven't replaced them at all in God's plan. I'm not sure what church you believe you belong to, but it's a Greek one, so go look for your salvation in Greek mythology. That's where your doctrine comes from. Be content hunting your Easter Eggs on Oestara.

Go ahead, find your salvation in Greek mythology. Be content in your Circe, I mean Kirke, I mean Kirk, I mean Church.


Why is Khazar theory anti Semitic? European( especially Central and Eastern Europe which areas are the most donors to Jewish immigrants to current day Israel) Jews of current times genetically ARE descendants of Khazars mostly, which does not make them less valid

First century Jews in Europe were not of that origin but Khazars just outnumbered them eventually.
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posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 05:31 PM
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Hoyden

WarminIndy

jmdewey60
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. . . so are Ashkenazis.
Just a tiny bit, which can be accounted for by the teachers that were sent to teach the Khazars Judaism.



And so what's the problem you have with that?

This whole Khazarian theory is simply anti-Semitism, it doesn't change the fact that you haven't replaced them at all in God's plan. I'm not sure what church you believe you belong to, but it's a Greek one, so go look for your salvation in Greek mythology. That's where your doctrine comes from. Be content hunting your Easter Eggs on Oestara.

Go ahead, find your salvation in Greek mythology. Be content in your Circe, I mean Kirke, I mean Kirk, I mean Church.


Why is Khazar theory anti Semitic? European( especially Central and Eastern Europe which areas are the most donors to Jewish immigrants to current day Israel) Jews of current times genetically ARE descendants of Khazars mostly, which does not make them less valid

First century Jews in Europe were not of that origin but Khazars just outnumbered them eventually.
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Because the Khazarian theories has been used against them for the purposes of anti-Semitism. And modern day Ashkenazi have a unique genetic marker that identifies then as Ashkenazi. They were the result of bottlenecked and inbreeding through marriage to cousins. I don't think I have to provide all the samples for that. But JmDewey asserted that ALL Jews in Israel were descended from Khazar. I do have some Ashkenazi ancestry, but definitely Sephardi and Moroccan Jews. But my Jewish ancestors converted to Christianity, the Sephardi were forcibly converted by the Christian church, is that how we should be today?

JmDewey also asserts that because I have Jewish ancestry that somehow I am "full of pride". There is nothing in my responses that indicate I believe in a holy bloodline. I believe that salvation in Jesus Christ is the atonement at the Cross and one must be born again to see the kingdom of God, which as Jesus said is "At hand".

I am only addressing JmDewey's anti-Semitism by pointing out that my ancestry also includes Jewish, as well as his maybe. But it's incredibly wrong to keep posting inflammatory remarks across years on ATS against Jewish people and then not expect someone to challenge them on their postings.

Have you noticed that he reserves the right to say I am in a cult but can't handle it when someone challenges his theology?



posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 05:56 PM
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WarminIndy

Hoyden

WarminIndy

jmdewey60
reply to post by WarminIndy
 

. . . so are Ashkenazis.
Just a tiny bit, which can be accounted for by the teachers that were sent to teach the Khazars Judaism.



And so what's the problem you have with that?

This whole Khazarian theory is simply anti-Semitism, it doesn't change the fact that you haven't replaced them at all in God's plan. I'm not sure what church you believe you belong to, but it's a Greek one, so go look for your salvation in Greek mythology. That's where your doctrine comes from. Be content hunting your Easter Eggs on Oestara.

Go ahead, find your salvation in Greek mythology. Be content in your Circe, I mean Kirke, I mean Kirk, I mean Church.


Why is Khazar theory anti Semitic? European( especially Central and Eastern Europe which areas are the most donors to Jewish immigrants to current day Israel) Jews of current times genetically ARE descendants of Khazars mostly, which does not make them less valid

First century Jews in Europe were not of that origin but Khazars just outnumbered them eventually.
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Because the Khazarian theories has been used against them for the purposes of anti-Semitism. And modern day Ashkenazi have a unique genetic marker that identifies then as Ashkenazi. They were the result of bottlenecked and inbreeding through marriage to cousins. I don't think I have to provide all the samples for that. But JmDewey asserted that ALL Jews in Israel were descended from Khazar. I do have some Ashkenazi ancestry, but definitely Sephardi and Moroccan Jews. But my Jewish ancestors converted to Christianity, the Sephardi were forcibly converted by the Christian church, is that how we should be today?

JmDewey also asserts that because I have Jewish ancestry that somehow I am "full of pride". There is nothing in my responses that indicate I believe in a holy bloodline. I believe that salvation in Jesus Christ is the atonement at the Cross and one must be born again to see the kingdom of God, which as Jesus said is "At hand".

I am only addressing JmDewey's anti-Semitism by pointing out that my ancestry also includes Jewish, as well as his maybe. But it's incredibly wrong to keep posting inflammatory remarks across years on ATS against Jewish people and then not expect someone to challenge them on their postings.

Have you noticed that he reserves the right to say I am in a cult but can't handle it when someone challenges his theology?


Oh, I have seen the particular poster harassing you on the Jewish matters.

However I have not encountered this thought of Khazar influence to be used for anti-Semitism - where it actually would be pertinent - in Europe. It is just a description of the ethnic group and it's origins and influences.

American way of twisting everything


Only in America did I learn that Jews or Greeks, for that matter, are not considered white race ( that is my mocking allusion to the not so distant fury in the leftist media when somebody on the right labelled Jesus and St. Nicholas as white. As if they were black or Asian).

I think you should just ignore this harassment - this is usually from the ignorance and brainwashing.
people are all equal - and Jesus Christ redeemed us all.

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posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 06:02 PM
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Oh, and just to add - Khazar Khaganate was a potent and influential empire at it's time - one can be proud to be a descendant of the power

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posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 06:15 PM
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People think Greeks are not white? I suppose that's from the old anthropological argument about Homo Mediterranian. John Stamo is Greek and handsome, but who would think he wasn't "white"? As "White" is more of a socio-political designation that has a long history, the Irish weren't considered white either for a long time.

This white/black/Jew/Mediterranean issue is just a detraction. God made us and God is pleased with His creation, after all He said, "It is good".



posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 06:32 PM
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WarminIndy
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People think Greeks are not white? I suppose that's from the old anthropological argument about Homo Mediterranian. John Stamo is Greek and handsome, but who would think he wasn't "white"? As "White" is more of a socio-political designation that has a long history, the Irish weren't considered white either for a long time.

This white/black/Jew/Mediterranean issue is just a detraction. God made us and God is pleased with His creation, after all He said, "It is good".



I agree completely, I was just referring to the things that made my jaw drop - statements that Greeks or Jews are not of a white race, that is why I mention it ( I am still amazed on the ignorance of those being offended).

We are all the creation of God and our differences are like colors of the rainbow - neither is better and together they form a beautiful phenomenon.



posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 06:48 PM
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. . . Jesus Christ redeemed us all for our original sin . . .
Feel free to quote where the Bible says that, otherwise I have to assume that you just made that up.



posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 06:50 PM
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This whole Khazarian theory is simply anti-Semitism . . .
At this point it goes beyond theory and is pretty much proven fact due to advances in DNA screening.



posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 07:02 PM
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Because the Khazarian theories has been used against them for the purposes of anti-Semitism.
Israeli Jews have been making the claim that they were the biblical Hebrews the rationale for commiting genocide against the Palestinians.
It's about time that they accept that the claim was always false, in the face of this Lilly-white caucasian group artificially being where they don't seem to fit in.

I believe that salvation in Jesus Christ is the atonement at the Cross and one must be born again to see the kingdom of God, which as Jesus said is "At hand".
Which kingdom has been here since the Apostles established the church.


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posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 07:13 PM
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Oh, and just to add - Khazar Khaganate was a potent and influential empire at it's time - one can be proud to be a descendant of the power
This seems like a very un-christ-like statement to me.

1 John 2:16
For everything in the world--the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life--comes not from the Father but from the world.
(2011 NIV)
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posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 07:15 PM
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Oh, I have seen the particular poster harassing you on the Jewish matters.
Or you may have been reading the accusations of things I supposedly said, that she completely made up, which she is prone to doing.



posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 07:18 PM
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jmdewey60
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Oh, and just to add - Khazar Khaganate was a potent and influential empire at it's time - one can be proud to be a descendant of the power
This seems like a very un-christ-like statement to me.

1 John 2:16
For everything in the world--the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life--comes not from the Father but from the world.
(2011 NIV)
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***rolling eyes***

Sir, you seem like very deeply disturbed and ignorant to ME. You need to address your complexes.
And reread the NT.



posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 07:21 PM
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jmdewey60
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Because the Khazarian theories has been used against them for the purposes of anti-Semitism.
Israeli Jews have been making the claim that they were the biblical Hebrews the rationale for commiting genocide against the Palestinians.
It's about time that they accept that the claim was always false, in the face of this Lilly-white caucasian group artificially being where they don't seem to fit in.

I believe that salvation in Jesus Christ is the atonement at the Cross and one must be born again to see the kingdom of God, which as Jesus said is "At hand".
Which kingdom has been here since the Apostles established the church.


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Warminglady - this is a classic example of what I am talking about LOL

Now, let me tell you a revelation, jmdewey, Palestinians are also white - as all Arabs are.



posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 07:22 PM
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And reread the NT.
Is this you way of saying, "We don't need to quote no stinking Bible verses!" ?



posted on Mar, 19 2014 @ 07:25 PM
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Now, let me tell you a revelation, jmdewey, Palestinians are also white - as all Arabs are.
You have a very broad way of throwing that word around until it becomes completely meaningless.
And I didn't say "white", I said "Lilly-White".
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