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jmdewey60
reply to post by WarminIndy
I never said anything like that.
because to him, all Jews are in an evil cult
This is just your way of dealing with a situation that you have no solution for, which is going to personal attacks through false accusations.
Dispensationalism is the cult which I think is the antichrist because it worships man above God by saying the opposite of what Jesus told Nicodemus, that being physically born to a particular bloodline does not make you a member of the kingdom of God.
Could you post a link to anywhere that I said that?
Throughout the time I have interacted with you on ATS, you have consistently accused me of being in a cult, being in a "Jewish cult" and "indoctrinated through a Jewish cult".
You are really paranoid.
In your last statement, I believe you are very clear in your accusation against my ancestry.
There is a dispensationalist interpretation, like you mention, but then there is the Dispensationalist cult that feels like it can reverse what God ordained by declaring the end of Christianity in favor of a Jewish conquest of earth.
You are also a Dispensationlist because of your belief in grace to the Christians and those must be Greek.
jmdewey60
reply to post by WarminIndy
The idea was to make a comparison between the physical things of the former religion, and the spiritual things of the new religion, and how the old is obsolete in the reality of the new, better thing.
As hilasterion was used in the Septuagint, regarding the Day of Atonement rites, the word for mercy seat or place of offering is in Hebrew kapporeth and directly translated from hilasterion, to appease.
So there isn't a literal on-to-one correlation because it is just a metaphor.
I have said this before and will repeat it again, some people just don't get metaphor and can only see things in the literal, and so this is, in my opinion, the source for all the disagreements that I get to what I say about religion and the Bible on this forum.The Gospels don't say that he was killed on the day of Passover.
The reason for the sheep, because Jesus died at Passover.
Regardless of that, even if he was, then what does that mean? It doesn't mean anything.
Passover was when there was more people in Jerusalem than at any other time, and the idea was his being "lifted up", both literally and figuratively.
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In the Bible, Shavuot is called the Festival of Weeks (Hebrew: חג השבועות, Ḥag ha-Shavuot, Exodus 34:22, Deuteronomy 16:10); Festival of Reaping (Hebrew: חג הקציר, Ḥag ha-Katsir, Exodus 23:16), and Day of the First Fruits (Hebrew יום הבכורים, Yom ha-Bikkurim, Numbers 28:26).
At the Temple in Jerusalem, each farmer would present his Bikkurim to a Kohen in a ceremony that followed the text of Deut. 26:1-10.
This text begins by stating: "An Aramean tried to destroy my father," referring to Laban's efforts to weaken Jacob and rob him of his progeny (Rashi on Deut. 26:5)—or by an alternate translation, the text states "My father was a wandering Aramean," referring to the fact that Jacob was a penniless wanderer in the land of Aram for 20 years (ibid., Abraham ibn Ezra).
The text proceeds to retell the history of the Jewish people as they went into exile in Ancient Egypt and were enslaved and oppressed; following which God redeemed them and brought them to the land of Israel.
The ceremony of Bikkurim conveys the Jew's gratitude to God both for the first fruits of the field and for His guidance throughout Jewish history (Scherman, p. 1068).
That's a cult, and not normal Christianity.
If anyone is the Dispensationslist here, its me...and there is nothing wrong with that.
BELIEVERpriest
jmdewey60
reply to post by WarminIndy
I never said anything like that.
because to him, all Jews are in an evil cult
This is just your way of dealing with a situation that you have no solution for, which is going to personal attacks through false accusations.
Dispensationalism is the cult which I think is the antichrist because it worships man above God by saying the opposite of what Jesus told Nicodemus, that being physically born to a particular bloodline does not make you a member of the kingdom of God.
Like, its so funny how you rebuke "personal attacks", and then go on to call WarminIndy a dispensationalist cult follower.
If anyone is the Dispensationslist here, its me...and there is nothing wrong with that.
We have given you theology backed by scripture, and you consistently spew propaganda and dis-information.
The only thing you have proven in this thread is that you are not our spiritual sibling, you love the world and hate Christ. If it were not so, you would not blaspheme the Holy Spirit, discredit Christ, and ridicule His body.
Your eternal fate is on your own head.
There were a few days devoted to different aspects pf the Passover but the specific day pf Passover itself was on the day after Jesus was crucified.
Therefore, it is not only implicit, but explicit in the Bible that Jesus died on Passover, as that Passover fell on the Sabbath.
The Holy Spirit did not have to wait a specific number of days.
You aren't going to get out of Passover as the day if you accept Pentecost . . .
jmdewey60
reply to post by BELIEVERpriest
That's a cult, and not normal Christianity.
If anyone is the Dispensationslist here, its me...and there is nothing wrong with that.
It was invented in 1800 by John Nelson Darby to discredit Christianity and to promote zionism and the land grab in Palestine by the Jews.
The money people behind the movement, that finance it, care nothing about your salvation or soul because they don't believe that you have a soul, being a goyim (cattle).
So they are happy to feed you a distortion of the Gospel to make you feel happy to be raptured off the planet, by giving you "instant salvation" that will guarantee you a free ride to heaven.
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jmdewey60
reply to post by WarminIndy
There were a few days devoted to different aspects pf the Passover but the specific day pf Passover itself was on the day after Jesus was crucified.
Therefore, it is not only implicit, but explicit in the Bible that Jesus died on Passover, as that Passover fell on the Sabbath.The Holy Spirit did not have to wait a specific number of days.
You aren't going to get out of Passover as the day if you accept Pentecost . . .
Again, it was a time when a lot of people would be gathered to hear what the message was.edit on 18-3-2014 by jmdewey60 because: (no reason given)
Acts 2: 5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. 6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. 7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? 8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? 9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, 10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. 12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this? 13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
14But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: 15For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. 16But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
19And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
20The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
21And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
22Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
25For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
26Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
27Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
28Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
29Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. 37Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. 40And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. 41Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
BELIEVERpriest
reply to post by WarminIndy
I find that people are too afraid of "labels". Labeling is nothing more than categorization. I believe Jesus, the Son of God, is equal to God and willingly died for all of our sins. By that belief, I am labeled "Christian" from the Greek transliteration, or "Messianic" by Hebraic standards.
Dispensationalism is nothing more than the realization that God makes different Covenants for different (st)ages of human history. Each Covenant is Christo-centric. The Age of Eden is the Adamic Covenant. The pre-Israelite Age of Geniles is the Patriarchical Covenant. The Age of Israel is the Abrahamic Covenant, the Church Age is the Body of Christ Covenant. Through these covenants, God displays His attributes: Unity, Love, Grace, Justice, Mercy, Sovreignty, Omniscience, Omnipotence, Patience,etc.
At the very least, human history can be divided into two dispensations: Before the cross, and after the cross.
JMDewey once criticized me for labeling myself a "Messianic Dispensationalist", and I'm not even Semitic. It seems that JMDewey is Hebrew-phobic.
I believe Jesus, the Son of God, is equal to God
jmdewey60
reply to post by BELIEVERpriest
That's a cult, and not normal Christianity.
If anyone is the Dispensationslist here, its me...and there is nothing wrong with that.
It was invented in 1800 by John Nelson Darby to discredit Christianity and to promote zionism and the land grab in Palestine by the Jews.
The money people behind the movement, that finance it, care nothing about your salvation or soul because they don't believe that you have a soul, being a goyim (cattle).
So they are happy to feed you a distortion of the Gospel to make you feel happy to be raptured off the planet, by giving you "instant salvation" that will guarantee you a free ride to heaven.
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I never said anything like that.
To blindly assume a Jew is a Zionist is racism.
A normal Christian realizes that already happened, they became Christians, and why most Jews today are later converts to the religion, and not actually of Hebrew descent.
A carefull Dispensationalist realizes that Jesus will regather Israel at His return
And . . so?
Notice the repeated patterns, jmdewey? Same number, same unity, same thing happened.
jmdewey60
reply to post by BELIEVERpriest
I never said anything like that.
To blindly assume a Jew is a Zionist is racism.
Most Jews are not Hebrews but descendants of the Khazars who converted to the Jewish religion.
The people who created and now populate what they call Israel are Polish Ashkenazi Jews originally from Khazaria.
You may not be a zionist as a result of being a Dispensationalist, but a lot of them are, meaning they support Israel.A normal Christian realizes that already happened, they became Christians, and why most Jews today are later converts to the religion, and not actually of Hebrew descent.
A carefull Dispensationalist realizes that Jesus will regather Israel at His return
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jmdewey60
reply to post by WarminIndy
And . . so?
Notice the repeated patterns, jmdewey? Same number, same unity, same thing happened.
God is not restricted by numbers as to what He can and can not to or when.
What does any of this have to do with your theory of Jesus paying for sins, other than to distract from the question?
In the New Testament, Mt. Zion is in Heaven.
. . .does not change the fact that Mt. Zion is in Israel . . .
Who just happen to be Jews.
You accuse the "Jews" of stealing land in Palestine when the real culprits are political zealot Zionists.
You seem to be doing a pretty good job of defending Israel.
Just because the media portrays Dispensationalists as Zionists doesn't make it so. In no way does dispensational theology justify Zionism.
jmdewey60
reply to post by BELIEVERpriest
Who just happen to be Jews.
You accuse the "Jews" of stealing land in Palestine when the real culprits are political zealot Zionists.You seem to be doing a pretty good job of defending Israel.
Just because the media portrays Dispensationalists as Zionists doesn't make it so. In no way does dispensational theology justify Zionism.
If in no other way than reinforcing their claim to Hebrewness.
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