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ServantOfTheLamb
Many read my threads, and immediately seek to argue rather than truly discuss and seek truth.
BELIEVERpriest
The rapture however, will occur on 9/16/2016, probably at 1:54pm eastern time.
FlyersFan
ServantOfTheLamb
Many read my threads, and immediately seek to argue rather than truly discuss and seek truth.
- Just because people disagree with you doesn't mean they are 'seeking to argue' or that they dont' care about truth.
- This isn't an echo chamber and it's not full of people who are going to automatically buy what is being sold.
- You said 'seek truth' .... and yet you have been given the truth that Noahs Ark was impossible and you disregard it because it doesn't match your version of truth. If you REALLY wanted to seek the truth, you'd look at the facts logically and objectively instead of dismissing them. A person 'seeking truth' that only matches their religion isn't really 'seeking truth'. Ya' know?
ServantOfTheLamb
Present your best evidence against the Flood, then explain to me how it is not circumstantial.
Pando (Latin for "I spread"), also known as The Trembling Giant,[1][2] is a clonal colony of a single male quaking aspen (Populus tremuloides) determined to be a single living organism by identical genetic markers[3] and one massive underground root system. The plant is estimated to weigh collectively 6,000,000 kg (6,600 short tons),[4] making it the heaviest known organism.[5] The root system of Pando, at an estimated 80,000 years old, is among the oldest known living organisms.[6][7]
Pando is located 1 mile southwest of Fish Lake on Utah route 25.[8] in the Fremont River Ranger District of the Fishlake National Forest, at the western edge of the Colorado Plateau in South-central Utah, at N 38.525 W 111.75.
If the 2350 date were correct, then human civilization would’ve had to undergo an extreme population explosion in the millenium following the flood. According to Biblical sources, there would have been millions of Jews leaving Egypt, so assuming a global population of 40 million around that time (~1350 BC), and comparing that to global population estimates later in history (an estimated 200+ million by 0 AD), would require an incredibly high population growth between 2350 BC and 1350 BC (5,000,000 fold increase in 1,000 years), and a much lower population growth after 1350 BC – usually less than 5 fold population growth within any 1,000 year period between 1350 BC and 1800 AD.
(3) The distribution of animals is not what we would expect if there were a global flood killing all life. If all life was limited to the top of a mountain in the Middle East in 2350 B.C., then how to explain the distribution of animals across the world? All the kangaroos on the Ark went to Australia? How did the animals get to the Americas? If they crossed via an ice-bridge in the Bering Strait, then the Americas should be limited to animals that are warm blooded and capable of traveling hundreds of miles across snow. This means no reptiles, no spiders, etc. Yet, the Amazon contains a wide variety of animal biodiversity. And why didn’t American desert animals stay behind in the deserts of the Old World? (See related post: “Creationism versus Animal Biodiversity”)
(4) Genetic evidence shows that human beings are far to genetically diverse to be descended from a single family in 2350 B.C. If Noah’s Ark were true, then all men alive today would’ve gotten their Y-chromosomes from Noah, and all human mitochondrial DNA would come from Noah’s wife and the three daughter-in-laws. Studies of the human Y-Chromosome show that you’d need far more than 4,300 years to accumulate that many mutations. Human beings could not be descended from a single male in 2350 B.C. What the studies show, instead, is that, in order to explain the number of mutations in the human Y-Chromosome, you have to allow for roughly 60,000-90,000 years. Similarly, human mitochondrial DNA requires roughly 160,000 years to accumulate that many mutations — showing that Eve could not have lived 6,000 years ago as the Bible says.
Additionally, once the animals left the Ark, there are a lot of nearby regions they could inhabit, but didn’t. For example, all varieties of rattlesnakes are found in the Americas (33 species, and numerous subspecies). There are none in the Old World – despite the fact that there are regions similar to the American deserts – the Sahara, the Middle East, the Gobi Desert, etc. Llamas fit this same pattern – found in the New World, but not in the Old World. The Caucus (where the Ark supposedly landed) and Himalaya mountains have different species than the Rocky Mountains and Andes. Why didn’t some of the Rocky Mountain species stick around in the Caucus Mountains – they were already there the minute they stepped off the Ark. Similarly, the species in the South American tropics aren’t found in Old World tropics (Southeast Asia and Africa), and vice-versa. For example, New World cats and monkeys are different species than Old World cats and monkeys. Theoretically, with the movement of creatures caused by the global flood, one could find the same species living in distant places. Somehow, we don’t.
Miles of coral reef, hundreds of feet thick, still survive intact at the Eniwetok atoll in the Pacific Ocean. The violent flood would have certainly destroyed these formations, yet the rate of deposit tells us that the reefs have survived for over 100,000 undisturbed years. Similarly, the floodwaters, not to mention the other factors leading to a boiling sea, would have obviously melted the polar ice caps. However, ice layers in Greenland and Antarctica date back at least 40,000 years.
Impact craters from pre-historical asteroid strikes still exist even though the tumultuous floodwaters would have completely eroded them. If these craters were formed concurrently with the flood, as it has been irresponsibly suggested, the magnificent heat from the massive impacts would have immediately boiled large quantities of the ocean, as if it wasn’t hot enough already. Like the asteroid craters, global mountain ranges would exhibit uniform erosion as a result of a global flood. Unsurprisingly, we witness just the opposite in neighboring pairs of greatly contrasting examples, such as the Rockies and Appalachians.
Even if we erroneously assume there to be enough water under the earth’s surface in order to satisfy the required flood levels, the size of the openings necessary to permit passage for a sufficient amount of water would be large enough to destroy the cohesive properties of the earth’s crust. However, the outer layer is firmly intact, and there’s no evidence indicating that it ever collapsed. All this hypothetical escaping water would have greatly eroded the sides of the deep ocean fissures as well, but no such observable evidence exists for this phenomenon either.
We can also observe algae deposits within the fossil layers, a phenomenon that could not have formed during the flood because they require sunlight to thrive. It’s quite reasonable to assume that the clouds would have thoroughly obstructed the sunlight during such a tremendous rain indicative of the flood. Setting aside this and all other known fossil inconsistencies with the Bible, archaeologists have found human footprints within the upper layers. Moving water simply could not have deposited these markings. As I alluded to earlier, this seemingly endless list of geological problems was completely unforeseeable to the primitive authors, thus the Bible offers no justifications or explanations for our discoveries.
Consanguinity is often associated with factors such as:
Cultural and religious practices
Isolated groups (such as migrants) who prefer to marry within their own culture
Low socioeconomic status
Illiteracy
Living in rural areas.
Related parents are more likely than unrelated parents to have children with health problems or genetic disorders. This is because the two parents share one or more common ancestors and so carry some of the same genetic material. If both partners carry the same inherited altered (mutated) gene, their children are more likely to have a genetic disorder....
Degrees of relationship
Relatives are described by the closeness of their blood relationship. For example:
First-degree relatives share half their genetic information. First-degree relatives include a person’s siblings, non-identical twin, parents and children.
Second-degree relatives share one-quarter of their genetic information. Second-degree relatives include a person’s half-siblings, uncles and aunts, nephews and nieces, and grandparents.
Third-degree relatives share one-eighth of their genetic material and include a person’s first cousins, half-uncles, half-aunts, half-nephews and half-nieces.
The closer the genetic relationship between the parents, the greater the risk of birth defects for their children.
Incidence of birth defects in children of related parents
A child of unrelated parents has a risk of around two to three per cent of being born with a serious birth defect or genetic disorder. This risk is approximately doubled (to between four and six per cent) for children of first cousins without a family history of genetic disorders. The risk of birth defects or death for children of first-degree relatives – for example, parent and child or brother and sister – rises to about 30 per cent.
3NL1GHT3N3D1
To be a true seeker of truth you have to sometimes step outside of the box. Unfortunately Christians (and other religions) refuse to see anything outside of their box because they see it as dangerous. Only looking for "truth" that fits in with preconceived notions isn't seeking for truth, it is seeking for confirmation bias.
To be discerning, you have to see the lies for what they are not accept everything as true. The bible is not 100% true or even 50% true, it's a tool for those in power to keep us blind, why else would it have survived for so long?
Accepting everything within the bible as true and as the word of god is the complete opposite of discernment.
ServantOfTheLamb
The question you have asked yourself is why has the Bible survived so long.
The Bible claims that God will preserve his Word. So if the Biblical God does in fact exist, wouldn't we expect to see his Word preserved?
GodIsRelative
Noah's Ark definitely happened.
They wrote a book about it.
Is it possible that all the facts are true, you just don't understand them?
The question you have asked yourself is why has the Bible survived so long. The Bible claims that God will preserve his Word. So if the Biblical God does in fact exist, wouldn't we expect to see his Word preserved? Now if you wish to argue that the Biblical manuscripts are not enough to recreate an accurate copy of the Bible then I suggest you do a bit more research.
3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by ServantOfTheLamb
The question you have asked yourself is why has the Bible survived so long. The Bible claims that God will preserve his Word. So if the Biblical God does in fact exist, wouldn't we expect to see his Word preserved? Now if you wish to argue that the Biblical manuscripts are not enough to recreate an accurate copy of the Bible then I suggest you do a bit more research.
The Greek myths have been preserved far longer than the bible has, does that mean they are the word of god? The Qur'an has been preserved as well, does that mean it also is the word of god? What about the Vedas? Some of its teachings date back to 5,000 BCE. And Buddha's teachings?
The longevity of something doesn't speak for its validity. The fact is is that those in power do not let the real truth spread as they supposedly have with the bible without manipulating it to suit their needs.
If Satan is the god of this world as the bible states, what makes you think the most popular god isn't Satan? The Abrahamic god is by far the most popular on Earth, meaning for all intents and purposes the Abrahamic god IS the god of this world.
1 John 4:7
Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.
1 John 4:16
God is love, and the one who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him.
Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God.