Get the government out of mine and yours business! NOW!!

Thats right, get out of my business, get out of my towns business and cut the crap with income taxes! No the government does not have a right to tax any and all transactions, as a matter of fact they don't have a right to record it either. They need to step back out of our everyday day lives tremendously. Cut the income taxes it is not their right to tax us. Cut back on military spending. We don't need you to repair our roads we will organize ourselves through the free market, crowd-sourcing on the internet and small business. If they stop building roads for us it will make it profitable for small companies locally to organize and profit from repairing and building infrastructure locally. We want these things and we will band together to build them.

We need to learn to utilize the internet, crowdsourcing and direct transparency for our tax dollars and organize infrastructure building in the USA now before its too late. We need to kick these fascist, socialist, Marxist ideas out of our country and restore the orginal constitution it was built on and the republic.

This will empower our economy and free market, it will enable innovation and growth on all levels. The restrictive hold of government and lack of faith in humanity has to stop.

GET OUT OF OUR BUSINESS IM TIRED OF IT!

reply to post by onequestion


IRS chief admitting that we are voluntarily paying taxes.

Quite funny.





Which is true, they were not given the right to tax the people, only commerce and business. Which is why you have to sign a W-2 W-4 1099 etc before you can work for a business, this is a contract you are signing that says you agree to pay the government taxes. Otherwise the business has to pay those taxes, because the government can tax the business.

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Does that statement hold up in court.....

i have to go to LOL real quick but ill look around and see how that point of view holds up in court.

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Isn't the reason why we pay taxes due to having private central banks that charge the government for printing our money and loaning it to the government. Perhaps the Government should pay the taxes and leave the rest of us us alone.

On a serious note though I don['t think people realise that Banks like the Bank of England are privately owned and not owned by the Government. These are one level of banking that I think the Government should replace and employ more people to run the treasury. Surely our illustrious civil servants could handle printing money - lets face it, the speed quantative easing goes at clearly shows how damn easy the job actually is. I would like to see a government department purely responsible for the finances rather than a private bank that no one controls except the men who work and profit from their vested interests and are totally above the law.

With taxes, as with anything - if people begin doing it repetitively it becomes a law by default so it won't change unless people stop signing w4's, and they won't because it is a law - by default - so we need to stop doing things that aren't good for us and understand our rights - before they turn into laws through complicity. Did that make sense?

When I read the title of this I thought, "uh oh, a business owner had a bad day" but it truly affects us all. I fear there won't be any changes anytime soon though. The reason - too many people cannot think for themselves and rely on the government to make sure all works out in the end. Its scary.

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I don't mind paying taxes, State, Municipal or Federal if I know that they are using that money for things that are needed. But it gets my goat that over 33% of my money seems to be going into pork barrel projects. Something that private business could do.

Why are my tax dollars going to save the Delta Smelt or build a tunnel so lizards can get to the other side of the road? Why are my tax dollars still being spent on the F-35, which is clearly a failed program, and yet we are kicking qualified people out of the service instead. And then they double down on more failed R&D programs. (Again, something that private business could do and actually sometimes do). Why? WHY? WHY!?

A radio talk show host here where I live compares today's government to the Mafia. I think he is right.

Dianec
With taxes, as with anything - if people begin doing it repetitively it becomes a law by default so it won't change unless people stop signing w4's, and they won't because it is a law - by default - so we need to stop doing things that aren't good for us and understand our rights - before they turn into laws through complicity. Did that make sense?

It's all relative. You describe it nearly perfect. Another thing to add is, instead of the government taxing individual for their labour, they stop this, tax a business the same amount for each person working there. The businesses would immediately compensate by paying lower wages and possibly charging more. Which would still have the same amount of money flowing in, just by other means.

Just like when some stupid new tax is added or abolished. When it's added you think, "great, another tax." When it's abolished you think, "Oh great, so where are they going to find that same source of revenue."

Basically, once they get used to spending a certain amount they will continue to spend it or increase the spending through new forms of tax. No different than how a woman dates a man making a certain amount of money, and after divorce is looking for someone that makes the same or more. Or how a guy might only settle for a boob size over C's by the third marriage, but started out with A's and B's in his previous ones.

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The mafia does sound right. If you break it down to a fraction and say its just a town each person should contribute something to the town overall. We should do this in the US but...we should also get to vote on what it goes toward. The Internet could change government for good but it hasn't happened yet. Do we really need congress anymore? Do we need any of this? Why couldn't we just vote for everything online? I suppose that is naive but right off the top of my head it seems possible.

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I will start by saying I am an independent, and a veteran. I do believe the government is too large and in do intrude on our freedom, ala NSA spying on us etc. You are however incredibly naive and wrong however. State after state every day we learn that most businesses are not capable of regulating themselves or looking out for the consumer unless forced to do so.

Whether it be meat recalls, car recalls, the list could go on and on and on. Roads, are you kidding me lol. Local business do roads. Have to say it is admirable to want less government but roads is not one of them lol. This is historical and can be seen in every state.
There is no money for that. Businesses have gazillion more things to do, worry about, and pay for than to try and build roads.

There are some things we do need government to oversee and protect the citizens of this country. Things like food and drugs and yes roads. States do not have the money to keep up their own state roads much less the interstate highways.

You are kidding yourself. We do need government for some things. Greed is very powerful my friend.

Taxes, well you will always have them. In one form or another. There not always called taxes. What you should be talking about is tax reform. As Buffet, Gates, and over thirty-five of the richest in America told congress. Get rid of the loopholes that allow buffet to pay less in taxes than his secretary or house keeper. Stop allowing companies to get around paying proper taxes by having corporate office on some island.

This is not an argument you will ever win my friend. The numbers are just against you and as long as some of the wealthiest are coming forward and being honest about it things won't get better.

The Bot

Dianec
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The mafia does sound right. If you break it down to a fraction and say its just a town each person should contribute something to the town overall. We should do this in the US but...we should also get to vote on what it goes toward. The Internet could change government for good but it hasn't happened yet. Do we really need congress anymore? Do we need any of this? Why couldn't we just vote for everything online? I suppose that is naive but right off the top of my head it seems possible.

We are a Republic that has forgotten that we are a Republic.

We seem to be a Democracy now, where the majority rules, and not always for the better, because the majority is not the people, but rather Congress. Most of whom are lawyers and do their damndest to baffle the rest of us with double speak.

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I find it ironically funny that many wealthy have stepped forward in support of tax reform, yet still take advantage of the same loop-holes they point out. Hell, why not? After all, they're still there aren't they?

My friend is expecting a five figure refund this year (Good for him!), mainly because he has property, kids and a wife and a business.

Me? Single, in a apartment, with no kids or wife and retired and I'm paying into the system. Kind of boogles the mind.

reply to post by TDawgRex


Exactly why our government is dangerous. And the more they do the doublespeak the more people feel confused and sit idly by while things go more their way and less ours. It will continue in that direction because they can't help themselves. Unless it's some sort of God making all decisions integrity won't win. A little kink here, a little tweak there in laws and pretty soon you see what we are beginning to see unfold. How do you make people aware? Someone said if all think alike change will happen. Maybe they are beginning to see it for what it is but why no change yet. Human nature is baffling sometimes.

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When the IRS employs the term "voluntary" in reference to taxes, it uses that word to describe the behavior of the taxpayer, not the tax itself. The U.S. income tax system is not predicated on the federal government's determining how much taxpayers have earned, calculating the amount of taxes they owe, and sending out bills for the amounts due. Instead, it is up to each taxpayer to volunteer his earnings information by filling out and submitting forms documenting his income, determine on his own how much tax he owes, and to make the appropriate payments. But in a legal sense, neither the filing of tax returns nor the payment of taxes owed is voluntary. Those requirements are spelled out in Title 26 of the U.S. Code, particularly Section 6151:

Snopes

I hear this trotted out every once in awhile.

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Yea dang does boggle the mind. They don't want to fix it. It helps keep them rich. They are rewarding themselves.

It is crazy. We can change it... The Bot