Loretta Fuddy Death - Obama Birth Certificate. - New evidence

Phage
reply to post by Mikeultra

 

It was renamed some time ago.
It is now called MCBH. It's about 50 miles from the crash site.

OK, If I remember correctly someone wrote a while back in the thread that the Marine H-60 is the one that dropped the smoke float flares. So they must have been the first on the scene. Or maybe it was the Coast Guard C-130 first on scene but not dropping flares. 1 hour and 20 minutes is a long time for the rescue to begin, being that there was another civilian plane that witnessed it and called it in.

Edit: This link says that it's a fight simulator that was built at MCKB. So maybe it was a Navy Seahawk.
www.cae.com...


Edit: this Google Earth screen capture of Kaneohe Bay shows H-60's I think.

reply to post by Mikeultra

The Navy's Helicopter Antisubmarine Squadron Light is based at MCBH. The helo in all likelihood, came from MCBH.

As a result of the Base Realignment and Closure Act (BRAC), HSL-37 relocated to the beautiful windward side of Oahu at Marine Corps Base Hawaii in February 1999. The Squadron consists of 45 officers and 215 enlisted personnel who maintain and operate ten Sikorsky SH-60B “Seahawk” helicopters.

www.hsl37.navy.mil...

www.verticalmag.com...


I'm not sure what your point is.

Phage
reply to post by Mikeultra

 

The Navy's Helicopter Antisubmarine Squadron Light is based at MCBH. The helo in all likelihood, came from MCBH.

As a result of the Base Realignment and Closure Act (BRAC), HSL-37 relocated to the beautiful windward side of Oahu at Marine Corps Base Hawaii in February 1999. The Squadron consists of 45 officers and 215 enlisted personnel who maintain and operate ten Sikorsky SH-60B “Seahawk” helicopters.

www.hsl37.navy.mil...

www.verticalmag.com...


I'm not sure what your point is.

I don't either. I just was trying to figure out if it was a Navy or Marine chopper. You have answered my question as to where it came from. The other link www.cae.com... that just mentioned a simulator.

reply to post by Mikeultra


The SH/MH-60 Seahawk is a US Navy antisubmarine helicopter. It is based on the Army H-60 Blackhawk, with modifications for shipboard operations.

The ones in Hawaii are based at the Marine base but like all of them are owned by the USN.

bear with this post.

when i was looking at the video post by jaffer44

something caught my eye the 04.68 mark.



from the beginning if you look you can see it moving from left to right, raising and falling with the swells.

now what do we all know that resembles that.
could it be something similar to this, but with yellow trim.


now i have just a couple of points.
1. wouldn't it make sense to grab the first aid bag/ kit on the way out the door. especially if your the pilot. who himself was bleeding.

2.the guy in the foreground when he is facing fuddy, why doesn't he react. he could not have missed a divers head pop up between her and him, when he is looking her way. oh that's right, everybody on the plane was in on it. and don't say that your not saying you don't see them in those frames, go back and read your post and look at the images.

3. what kind of self respecting covert op, spec op, black op, or assassin, is going to wear gear that has bright yellow and has a white cross on it. i guess he is either real arrogant or real stupid, you pick. the idea of covert ops, black ops, and secret assassinations, is not to be detected.

4.watch fuddy's face her expression never changes. now i know damn good and well if someone pokes me with a syringe and injected me when i was not expecting it, i would yell. at least i would have been yelling something afterwards. even if i was struggling.

5. i have never in my life seen a wet suit with a white cross on it. not saying there not any out there, most i've ever seen have logos of the manufacturer, a brand name or the agency the the diver belongs to. if it is a agency, remember what the coast diver said standard procedure is.if victim is unresponsive or shows no sign of life move on to the next. i know it 's suppose to be in just the first few minutes, i say the video is edited and he can't say how long his camera batteries lasted, remember he said it was like time stopped.

i say what people are seeing and calling divers is, Pareidolia. you are seeing shapes and things that are caused by debris from the plane, the waves, and the foam/ white caps.

i also went back and looked at the images from the op's link. if you look close enough or blow them up you can tell that most of what is being seen is what i say is the first aid bag, the rest are reflection of the sun on the water and how the water distorts things when only looking through a couple of inches. there's one or two there that look down right tampered with, or blown up so much you can't tell what it is.


the above and with the problems of the type engine used in that plane that i posted. i say case closed.

but there always those that are gonna want to see a conspiracy in everything.

Zaphod58
reply to post by Mikeultra

 

Marines don't have Seahawks. It could be off one of any number of ships out of Pearl Harbor, or Barking Sands on Kauai.

It may have had Marine crewmembers but it was a Navy helicopter.

that's not quite true.

Marine One is the call sign of any United States Marine Corps aircraft carrying the President of the United States.[1] It usually denotes a helicopter operated by the HMX-1 "Nighthawks" squadron, either the large VH-3D Sea King or the newer, smaller VH-60N "WhiteHawk". A Marine Corps aircraft carrying the Vice President has the call sign Marine Two.

Marine 1



there's three of them if i recall correctly.

reply to post by hounddoghowlie

Who me? I appreciate your viewpoint. I will tell you something that I have kept silent on until this time. Because I like a good conspiracy. There is an interview where Ferdinand Puentas said that he had 2 cameras! I will try to find it and post a link. He said his batteries went dead not long after taking the "selfie" photo that was talked about so much. That was just minutes outside the aircraft. He received criticism for that. Now even if he really did have a 2nd camera, and it is not just an excuse to cover up a snafu that was discovered with his story of batteries gone dead. In the Facebook creative writing piece he said he separated from the group and was trying to swim to shore for over an hour. He couldn't have been the cameraman and be filming a rescue diver that didn't arrive for 80 minutes! That is why I have not mentioned his statement that he had 2 cameras, I don't believe he had 2 cameras.
Watch the video from this link. At 1:07 Ferdinand says, "...actually I had 2 go Pros, but the one on the stick was rolling."
At 2:30 the news report states that Ferdinand said as he walked out the aircraft he forgot to inflate his life vest! He didn't forget to turn on the Go pro though. Oh and a friendly humpback whale surfaced right nearby and that gave him hope. He's lucky it wasn't a tiger shark!
I just don't believe all of this!
www.hawaiinewsnow.com...
Why have 2 Go Pros? If he would have dropped the camera, he could have removed his heavy boots and slipped off the jeans to swim better! Maybe the Go Pros were there because footage was needed to verify that this really happened.

reply to post by hounddoghowlie


That isn't a Seahawk. A Seahawk has a long straight strut with two wheels just behind the cabin. That is a Blackhawk.

SH-60

Notice, among other things the tail wheel.

I've been looking at the connections between Loretta Fuddy, Keith Yamamoto, Hawaii governor Neil Abercrombie, and Barry what's his name. Before I start my examination of the sordid web connecting all of them, let's have a look at Neil Abercrombie's appearance when he was condemning Viet Nam War veterans.

Barry and Abercrombie "we've got it all planned out"

First we'll have a look at Neil Abercrombie.

Abercrombie was born June 26, 1938 in Buffalo, New York, the son of Vera June (née Grader) and George Donald Abercrombie. His ancestry includes English, Irish, and German.[2] Upon graduating from Williamsville High School (now Williamsville South High School), he went on to pursue studies in sociology at Union College in Schenectady, New York. There, Abercrombie obtained his bachelor's degree in 1959. He arrived in Honolulu, Hawaii, a month after statehood in September 1959 to study at the University of Hawaiʻi at Mānoa where he earned a master's degree in sociology and later a doctorate in American Studies.[3] At the university he befriended and attended classes with the parents of President Barack Obama, Ann Dunham and Barack Obama, Sr.

en.wikipedia.org...

So Neil Abercrombie attended University of Hawaii at Manoa where he befriended and attended classes with the parents of Barry, Ann Dunham and Barack Obama Sr. hmmm? Very interesting...

Next Abercrombie gets rid of Dr Neal Palafox, a nominee for the Director of Health. January 28, 2011

Gov. Neil Abercrombie asked Dr. Neal Palafox to withdraw his nomination as director of the state Department of Health, but the governor's staff has declined to publicly disclose the reason. Palafox withdrew his nomination Wednesday after a month on the job as interim director. Abercrombie's staff released a statement Wednesday saying only that the governor had accepted the withdrawal and would name a new director as soon as possible. While the governor's staff would not discuss the reasons or circumstances surrounding the sudden departure, Donalyn Dela Cruz, the governor's spokeswoman, confirmed last night that it was the governor and not Palafox who asked for the withdrawal. Palafox has said he was blindsided by the turn of events. He has said he was not aware of a medical reimbursement investigation mentioned in a television news report or any other matter that would have jeopardized his nomination or state Senate confirmation. The doctor referred questions yesterday to his attorney, Brook Hart. "He did not volunteer it on his own. He had no idea why the governor asked him to resign. But he did because the governor asked him to do so," Hart said. "He has no information at this point why there's an investigation, what the investigation is about or even a hint about what it is that somebody is claiming that he did wrong. "It's a complete mystery."

www.staradvertiser.com...


On March 02, 2011 Abercrombie appoints Loretta Fuddy as Director of Health.

Honolulu – Governor Neil Abercrombie today appointed Loretta Fuddy as the Director of the Department of Health. Ms. Fuddy has been serving as the Acting Health Director since January 26, 2011. Her nomination requires confirmation by the State Senate. “In her short time as Acting Director at the Department of Health, Loretta has begun making progress in restoring critical government function and moving in a new direction,” Governor Abercrombie said. “I have complete confidence in Loretta and her team’s ability to rebuild our public health system.” Following her appointment this afternoon, Ms. Fuddy stated, “I’m honored and up to the challenge. It is very exciting to be a part of this Administration as we move forward on health initiatives to better serve the state.” Governor Abercrombie will announce a First Deputy Health Director at a later date.

www.hawaiireporter.com...

On April 11, 2011 Abercrombie appoints Keith Yamamoto as Deputy Director of Health.

HONOLULU, HAWAII – Governor Neil Abercrombie announced today the appointment of Keith Yamamoto as the First Deputy Director of the Department of Health. For the last six years, Mr. Yamamoto has served as the Alcohol and Drug Abuse Administrator in the Department of Health’s Alcohol and Drug Abuse Division. In this position he has provided overall leadership and guidance regarding the statewide operation of prevention, intervention and treatment services.

www.hawaiireporter.com...

And this is all just mere coincidences, nothing suspicious at all...

reply to post by Mikeultra


Keep going...

You are getting warmer.



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Just by looking at the old photo of Abercrombie I can tell he's a communist. And he is a member of the Democratic Socialists of America.
I didn't know that he was a U.S. Congressman, but apparently he was as evidenced by this listing of his membership in the DSA. dated 10/01/2009. The 111th Congress? I'll bet Barry was a Congressman at the same time as Abercrombie.

www.scribd.com...

There is no doubt in my mind that former Congressman Neil Abercrombie was strongly encouraged to run by Obama, and promised lots of money and backing to do so, in order to as Hawaii Governor to be able to use the office and powers to further protect Obama's records. Abercrombie is and was a close family friend of Obama and of Obama's father. They are all fellow traveler socialist/communists. One large nest in Hawaii and another in Chicago.

www.birtherreport.com...

Abercrombie wants to be Governor as part of the plan to continue to hide or possibly ultimately destroy the original records(Act 96 papers, adoption amendments) that are sealed and hidden in Hawaii about Obama. I believe Abercrombie will be given unlimited amounts of U.S. and foreign money to win in Hawaii just as Obama was given unlimited amounts of foreign money to win the White House. We need to keep an eye on this HI governor's race since it is part of the marxist/socialist/communist far left scheme to protect Obama.

www.birtherreport.com...
These damned communists don't even try to hide it anymore!
keywiki.org...
Now I am going to dig into Loretta Fuddy's history.

ATSERS,
what if she isn't dead.
I have to agree with the debunkers that there would have been better ways to off her rather then divers waiting with a needle that gives her a heart attack.
Lets see
there is a web of evidence to show she is a friend of the Obama clan.
She was going to have to testify in court about the birth certificate
she doesn't want to put Obama in the poo but she doesn't want to have to say she forged the document.
only way to avoid the court case is to disappear or be dead.
I'm thinking maybe the divers were there to help if she got into trouble after the crash just like a myth busters under water episode when they have divers on standby in case something goes wrong.
If they wanted her dead and the others were in on it it would have been better to have her unconscious and left her on the plane that we she would have drowned.
Would have looked better on the death certificate.
I do think the needle thing is out of place but there is no denying there are divers there (unless your in denial ) lol
the only other reason I could come up with was written above.
Anyone think of any other reason ?

jaffer44
ATSERS,
what if she isn't dead.
I have to agree with the debunkers that there would have been better ways to off her rather then divers waiting with a needle that gives her a heart attack.
Lets see
there is a web of evidence to show she is a friend of the Obama clan.
She was going to have to testify in court about the birth certificate
she doesn't want to put Obama in the poo but she doesn't want to have to say she forged the document.
only way to avoid the court case is to disappear or be dead.
I'm thinking maybe the divers were there to help if she got into trouble after the crash just like a myth busters under water episode when they have divers on standby in case something goes wrong.
If they wanted her dead and the others were in on it it would have been better to have her unconscious and left her on the plane that we she would have drowned.
Would have looked better on the death certificate.
I do think the needle thing is out of place but there is no denying there are divers there (unless your in denial ) lol
the only other reason I could come up with was written above.
Anyone think of any other reason ?

Does Fuddy have connections to Indonesia? I have gotten sidetracked now with this cretin Abercrombie. It's definitely possible she's in a witness protection program. I just favor the theory that she's been rubbed out. It's more final and foolproof.


What bothers me is why was Fuddy and Yamamoto taken to a "care home" in Kalaupapa, while another 3 passengers were taken to Molokai general Hospital! They should have flown her somewhere and applied some electro-starter machine.

Immediately after the crash, Fuddy's body was taken to a care home at Kalaupapa, where Killilea, the pastor of Kalaupapa's St. Francis Church, said he made the sign of the cross on her forehead as she lay on a gurney surrounded by nurses and the distraught Yamamoto. Three survivors were transported by helicopter to a Honolulu hospital, two declined to be medically evacuated, and three were taken to Molokai General Hospital with minor injuries, officials said.

www.startribune.com...

reply to post by Mikeultra


yes that's what I thought to start
but the divers waiting to give her the needle just doesn't gel for me. I couldn't argue with debunkers on that point because there right not that it changes the fact that there ARE at least 2 scuba divers in the water
the CIA have guns the shoot a needle of ice that has poison in it since the 60's there is a documentary on line somewhere were the CIA director is being grilled in court and he has to show the gun and explain that it would cause heart attacks leaving only a small pin prick.
and there are so many other ways it could have been done with less potential for errors.
to try and stop conspiracy theories have a video of the plane crash that helps support there story
and it's is a good argument point for the debunkers to stick on rather then the question of why are the divers there in the first place.
Thats why I asked at the end of my last post could people think of any other reason why the divers could be there

jaffer44
reply to post by Mikeultra

 

yes that's what I thought to start
but the divers waiting to give her the needle just doesn't gel for me. I couldn't argue with debunkers on that point because there right not that it changes the fact that there ARE at least 2 scuba divers in the water
the CIA have guns the shoot a needle of ice that has poison in it since the 60's there is a documentary on line somewhere were the CIA director is being grilled in court and he has to show the gun and explain that it would cause heart attacks leaving only a small pin prick.
and there are so many other ways it could have been done with less potential for errors.
to try and stop conspiracy theories have a video of the plane crash that helps support there story
and it's is a good argument point for the debunkers to stick on rather then the question of why are the divers there in the first place.
Thats why I asked at the end of my last post could people think of any other reason why the divers could be there

Well consider this, if you listen to the video which has not been zoomed in and slow motioned down, a male voice yells "everybody head for shore!" What could possibly explain that if the scuba divers are there for a noble cause? I accept the reasoning that a lethal injection is not likely what they were doing. My best guess is that Loretta didn't die and this is a propaganda film. Maybe they were safety divers and they were only out past the breakers. I put nothing past these people. They're communists! Check out this creepy video about Subuh. It looks like a Jim Jones Jonestown type cult.

Pause the video at 2:48. Who do you see? I see Barry and his mother in 1968.

1968 Barry and his mom in Indonesia at a cult meeting.

reply to post by Mikeultra


yep that's what I'm thinking at the moment

reply to post by jaffer44

Let us know what you're thinking in about 20 minutes.
K?

reply to post by Phage


Sorry I'm not as rigged as you with my thoughts and beliefs Phage.
Sorry I actually listened and thought about what others had to say on debate.
What nothing written in a text book for you link to as a sticking point
so instead try and belittle me .
LOL well at least your the one thing that hasn't changed on this site over the years mate

jaffer44
She was going to have to testify in court about the birth certificate

What makes you think that? Which court, when?

she doesn't want to put Obama in the poo but she doesn't want to have to say she forged the document.

What forged document? What makes you claim it was forged?

only way to avoid the court case

Again, exactly what court case are you on about?

but there is no denying there are divers there

What divers? You really make some crap up here!