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Plasma Ribbon Confirms Electric Sun

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posted on Mar, 9 2014 @ 09:06 AM
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This is from Scribd: "The Birkeland Terrella Experiments and Their Importance for the Modern Synergy of Laboratory and Space Plasma Physics." It is from J. PHYS IV FRANCE 7 (1997) by K. Rvpdal and T. Brundtland, Department of Physics, University of Tromsø, 9037 Tromsø, Norway:


Abstract.

A study of the evolution of Kristian Birkeland's theories of cosmical physics is presented, with special reference to his laboratory gas-discharge experiments. It is found that his most important thoughts were molded from an intense cross-fertilization between laboratory experiments, geophysical observations and mathematical modelling. Occasionally, original ideas of fundamental importance in the cosmic context emerged from unexpected laboratory results. Possible implications for a sound cross-disciplinary approach to modern plasma science are discussed.

INTRODUCTION

Although plasma physics emerged as an independent physical discipline as late as in the 1950's, the roots can be traced back to the nineteenth century, even to the time before the electron was discovered by J. J. Thomson in 1897. At that time one did not have a clear conception of the fourth state of matter, but a few great scientists developed through laboratory experiments in discharge tubes and geophysical observations fundamentally correct ideas about the plasma nature of the sun, the interplanetary space, and the solar terrestrial interaction. A giant among these visionaries was the Norwegian physicist and inventor Kristian Birkeland (1867-1917), whose outstanding scientific work has received increasing recognition throughout the last two decades of active space exploration.

Even though modern space science continues to rediscover the deep truth of many of Birkeland's ideas, an even more interesting aspect of his work may be his interdisciplinary approach to scientific exploration. Birkeland aqcuired and processed information from a number of research disciplines which today are virtually non-interacting . . .

www.scribd.com... cs


Regarding electric currents from the sun powering the earth's auroras and satellites detecting the magnetic signatures of electric currents in the aurora in 1973, the paper references the 1973 satellite data:


. . . In support of this interpretation Birkeland calculated the magnetic field perturbations from various current pattern of this kind, and obtained very convincing agreement with observed patterns. Unfortunately, these results were overlooked by the space physics community for more than half a century, with the result that incorrect theories of ionospheric currents and magnetic storms prevailed until results from satellites confirmed the existence of currents along the magnetic field in 1973 [16]. These currents are now generally called "Birkeland currents".

www.scribd.com... cs


(Reference number 16 is A McPherron, R. L., Russel C. T. and Aubry M., J. Geophys. Res. 78, (1973) 3131-3149.)




posted on Mar, 9 2014 @ 09:12 AM
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All this is pretty odd stuff, and people making claims about how much science 'knows' various things that have a pretty good amount of data that.

Properties of the proton...
pdg.lbl.gov...

here is a 32 page document containing all you ever wanted to know, and maybe not wanted to know about the proton, as measured by these horrible scientists people here think are completely wrong about everything and are secretive and sneaky...

Oh yeah, the Particle Data Group give all this data out for free by the way.

pdg.lbl.gov...

So from that document you can see that protons have been tested for CPT invariance (basically if a proton and anti proton are the same particle, and we can say that depending on the tests, we can be confidence to a level of the order 10^6 that they are different particles, and combining multiple examinations that this number goes to better than 10^11.

Sooo id say that we have got it down pretty good.

We also know that the proton is stable to better than 10^26 years... so pretty safe

edit on 9-3-2014 by ErosA433 because: forgot the document pdf



posted on Mar, 9 2014 @ 10:44 AM
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From "Essential Guide to the EU – Chapter 2 Magnetic and Electric Fields in Space":


The question of the origin of magnetic fields in space is one of the key differences between the Gravity Model and the Electric Model.

The Gravity Model allows for the existence of magnetic fields in space because they are routinely observed, but they are said to be caused by dynamos inside stars. For most researchers today, neither electric fields nor electric currents in space play any significant part in generating magnetic fields.

In contrast, the Electric Model, as we shall see in more detail later, argues that magnetic fields must be generated by the movement of charged particles in space in the same way that magnetic fields are generated by moving charged particles here on Earth. Of course, the Electric Model accepts that stars and planets have magnetic fields, too, evidenced by magnetospheres and other observations. The new insight has been to explain a different origin for these magnetic fields in space if they are not created by dynamos in stars. . . .

Electromagnetic forces are commonly stronger than gravitational forces on plasma in space. Electromagnetism can be shielded, while gravity can not, so far as is known. The common argument in the standard model is that most of the electrons in one region or body are paired with protons in the nuclei of atoms and molecules, so the net forces of the positive charges and negative charges cancel out so perfectly that “for large bodies gravity can dominate” (link: Wikipedia, Fundamental Interactions, look under the Electromagnetism sub-heading).

What is overlooked above is that, with the occasional exception of relatively cool, stable and near-neutral planetary environments like those found here on Earth, most other matter in the Universe consists of plasma; i.e., charged particles and neutral particles moving in a complex symphony of charge separation and the electric and magnetic fields of their own making. Gravity, while always present, is not typically the dominant force.

Far from consisting of mostly neutralized charge and weak magnetic and electric fields and their associated weak currents, electric fields and currents in plasma can and often do become very large and powerful in space. The Electric Model holds that phenomena in space such as magnetospheres, Birkeland currents, stars, pulsars, galaxies, galactic and stellar jets, planetary nebulas, “black holes”, energetic particles such as gamma rays and X-rays and more, are fundamentally electric events in plasma physics. Even the rocky bodies – planets, asteroids, moons and comets, and the gas bodies in a solar system – exist in the heliospheres of their stars, and are not exempt from electromagnetic forces and their effects. . . .

www.thunderbolts.info...



posted on Mar, 9 2014 @ 10:54 AM
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results from satellites confirmed the existence of currents along the magnetic field in 1973


Yes, we know that the Earth's magnetic field "powers" the aurora, directing charged particles toward the poles. Doesn't have much to do with an electric Sun.

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posted on Mar, 9 2014 @ 12:14 PM
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You're saying we know the magnetic field causes the electric currents rather than the other way around.

How do we know that?



posted on Mar, 9 2014 @ 12:19 PM
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Phage
Doesn't have much to do with an electric Sun.


Doesn't have much to do?

Are you hedging?



posted on Mar, 9 2014 @ 12:26 PM
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You're saying we know the magnetic field causes the electric currents rather than the other way around.
Your source says, "currents along the magnetic field"

If the currents were causing the magnetic field the currents would be perpendicular to the field, not along it. Right?


You seem to be avoiding my questions. I'll ask you again:
Why doesn't the regular reversal of the Sun's overall magnetic polarity affect the Earth's magnetic polarity?
Why don't all the bodies in the Solar System have a magnetic field?

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posted on Mar, 9 2014 @ 12:34 PM
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Mary Rose
This is from Scribd: "The Birkeland Terrella Experiments and Their Importance for the Modern Synergy of Laboratory and Space Plasma Physics." It is from J. PHYS IV FRANCE 7 (1997) by K. Rvpdal and T. Brundtland, Department of Physics, University of Tromsø, 9037 Tromsø, Norway:


Abstract.

A study of the evolution of Kristian Birkeland's theories of cosmical physics is presented, with special reference to his laboratory gas-discharge experiments. It is found that his most important thoughts were molded from an intense cross-fertilization between laboratory experiments, geophysical observations and mathematical modelling. Occasionally, original ideas of fundamental importance in the cosmic context emerged from unexpected laboratory results. Possible implications for a sound cross-disciplinary approach to modern plasma science are discussed.

INTRODUCTION

Although plasma physics emerged as an independent physical discipline as late as in the 1950's, the roots can be traced back to the nineteenth century, even to the time before the electron was discovered by J. J. Thomson in 1897. At that time one did not have a clear conception of the fourth state of matter, but a few great scientists developed through laboratory experiments in discharge tubes and geophysical observations fundamentally correct ideas about the plasma nature of the sun, the interplanetary space, and the solar terrestrial interaction. A giant among these visionaries was the Norwegian physicist and inventor Kristian Birkeland (1867-1917), whose outstanding scientific work has received increasing recognition throughout the last two decades of active space exploration.

Even though modern space science continues to rediscover the deep truth of many of Birkeland's ideas, an even more interesting aspect of his work may be his interdisciplinary approach to scientific exploration. Birkeland aqcuired and processed information from a number of research disciplines which today are virtually non-interacting . . .

www.scribd.com... cs


Regarding electric currents from the sun powering the earth's auroras and satellites detecting the magnetic signatures of electric currents in the aurora in 1973, the paper references the 1973 satellite data:


. . . In support of this interpretation Birkeland calculated the magnetic field perturbations from various current pattern of this kind, and obtained very convincing agreement with observed patterns. Unfortunately, these results were overlooked by the space physics community for more than half a century, with the result that incorrect theories of ionospheric currents and magnetic storms prevailed until results from satellites confirmed the existence of currents along the magnetic field in 1973 [16]. These currents are now generally called "Birkeland currents".

www.scribd.com... cs


(Reference number 16 is A McPherron, R. L., Russel C. T. and Aubry M., J. Geophys. Res. 78, (1973) 3131-3149.)


Your website is lying to you science didnt ignore Birkelands work quite the opposite in fact. But im sorry to say it has nothing to do with the sun he was trying to understand the earths magnetic field.As far as birkeland currents there definition changed as we learned more.At first they were electric currents that contribute to the aurora, caused by the interaction of the plasma in the Solar Wind with the Earth's magnetosphere. When we discovered that the sun isnt where auroras get there power a new definition was created. Now birkeland currents are electric currents in a planet's ionosphere that follows magnetic field lines, and sometimes used to described any field-aligned electric current in a space plasma. Even though his theory was wrong he still gets credit because he showed us these currents are possible.



posted on Mar, 9 2014 @ 12:35 PM
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Mary Rose
reply to post by Phage
 


You're saying we know the magnetic field causes the electric currents rather than the other way around.

How do we know that?


Satellite data to give you a simple answer. Its been known for a long time that magnetic fields can be used to generate electricity.Here read about earth's plasmasphere. Its alot bigger than you think. Read this

science.nasa.gov...

And so you know the core of Earth is an electromagnet. The core of the Earth is surrounded by a mixture of molten iron and nickel. The magnetic field of Earth is caused by currents of electricity that flow in the molten core. These currents are hundreds of miles wide and flow at thousands of miles per hour as the earth rotates.These current travel through the earth and into space in whats called lines of force or Birkeland currents. See told you science doesnt ignore his work which is why i dont understand why you keep posting his work as proof????
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posted on Mar, 9 2014 @ 12:56 PM
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More from "Essential Guide to the EU – Chapter 2 Magnetic and Electric Fields in Space":


. . . we have detected currents in the solar system using spacecraft. One of the first was the low-altitude polar orbit TRIAD satellite in the 1970s, which found currents interacting with the Earth’s upper atmosphere. In 1981 Hannes Alfvén described a heliospheric current model in his book, Cosmic Plasma.

Since then, a region of electric current called the heliospheric current sheet (HCS) has been found that separates the positive and negative regions of the Sun’s magnetic field. It is tilted approximately 15 degrees to the solar equator. During one half of a solar cycle, outward-pointing magnetic fields lie above the HCS and inward-pointing fields below it. This is reversed when the Sun’s magnetic field reverses its polarity halfway through the solar cycle. As the Sun rotates, the HCS rotates with it, “dragging” its undulations into what NASA terms “the standard Parker spiral”.



Spacecraft have measured changes over time in the current sheet at various locations since the 1980s. They have detected near-Earth and solar currents as well. The Gravity Model accepts that these currents exist in space but assumes they are a result of the magnetic field. . . .

www.thunderbolts.info...


(Hannes Alfvén is another important figure in the Electric Universe paradigm.)



posted on Mar, 9 2014 @ 01:01 PM
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Since then, a region of electric current called the heliospheric current sheet (HCS) has been found that separates the positive and negative regions of the Sun’s magnetic field.
There is no such thing as a positive or negative region of a magnetic field.


Why are you avoiding my questions?



posted on Mar, 9 2014 @ 01:28 PM
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I'm spending my time on what interests me at the moment, not on answering your questions.

If you click on the link, you'll see that four links are provided for "heliospheric current sheet."

Perhaps you just dont know about it?



posted on Mar, 9 2014 @ 02:21 PM
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Mary Rose
More from "Essential Guide to the EU – Chapter 2 Magnetic and Electric Fields in Space":


. . . we have detected currents in the solar system using spacecraft. One of the first was the low-altitude polar orbit TRIAD satellite in the 1970s, which found currents interacting with the Earth’s upper atmosphere. In 1981 Hannes Alfvén described a heliospheric current model in his book, Cosmic Plasma.

Since then, a region of electric current called the heliospheric current sheet (HCS) has been found that separates the positive and negative regions of the Sun’s magnetic field. It is tilted approximately 15 degrees to the solar equator. During one half of a solar cycle, outward-pointing magnetic fields lie above the HCS and inward-pointing fields below it. This is reversed when the Sun’s magnetic field reverses its polarity halfway through the solar cycle. As the Sun rotates, the HCS rotates with it, “dragging” its undulations into what NASA terms “the standard Parker spiral”.



Spacecraft have measured changes over time in the current sheet at various locations since the 1980s. They have detected near-Earth and solar currents as well. The Gravity Model accepts that these currents exist in space but assumes they are a result of the magnetic field. . . .

www.thunderbolts.info...


(Hannes Alfvén is another important figure in the Electric Universe paradigm.)


Once again thunderbolts lie to you you want to know why galaxies have a magnetic field watch this video this is from a real researcher.Again thunderbolts doesnt want you to know this.As he says in the end of this video science takes a curving path often leads to dead ends. This is what happened to electric universe it hit a dead end when they realized it cant explain what we see in the universe.




posted on Mar, 9 2014 @ 02:23 PM
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Mary Rose
reply to post by Phage
 


I'm spending my time on what interests me at the moment, not on answering your questions.

If you click on the link, you'll see that four links are provided for "heliospheric current sheet."

Perhaps you just dont know about it?


Spending your time jumping from topic to topic is why you dont see whats wrong with electric universe theory. You never see what it means if you dont follow it to its conclusions. So keep jumping around and youll never learn why this theory is pseudo science.
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posted on Mar, 9 2014 @ 02:24 PM
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Nobody is calling scientist evil except you.

From your source


Until the difference between the e p and µp values is understood, it does not make sense to average the values together. For the present, we give both values. It is up to workers in this field to solve this puzzle.


Note that they admit they don't understand everything, like too many posters want to believe.



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posted on Mar, 9 2014 @ 02:32 PM
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poet1b
reply to post by ErosA433
 


Nobody is calling scientist evil except you.

From your source


Until the difference between the e p and µp values is understood, it does not make sense to average the values together. For the present, we give both values. It is up to workers in this field to solve this puzzle.


Note that they admit they don't understand everything, like too many posters want to believe.



edit on 9-3-2014 by poet1b because: typo


This is a stupid statement if science knew everything there would be any more scientists. Think thats rather obvious but you cant ignore discoveries made just because scientists dont have all the answers thats just silly.So showing science doesnt understand something proves nothing other than were working on it.
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posted on Mar, 9 2014 @ 02:35 PM
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In the case of plasma, the field is growing. Far from being a dead end, as we learn more and more about plasma, the science is starting to dominate.

Quantum Mechanics looks like it is heading in the direction of the dust bin of science.



posted on Mar, 9 2014 @ 02:37 PM
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Everything you post is stupid. Essentially claiming a bunch of things as certain facts when they most certainly are not.

It seems the purpose of your posts is to knock the thread off topic.



posted on Mar, 9 2014 @ 03:27 PM
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From "Essential Guide to the EU – Chapter 3 Plasma":


A significant behavioral characteristic is plasma’s ability to form large-scale cells and filaments. In fact, that is why plasma is so named, due to its almost life-like behavior and similarities to cell-containing blood plasma.

www.thunderbolts.info...


How cool is that?


What an exciting field to study.



posted on Mar, 9 2014 @ 03:37 PM
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poet1b
reply to post by dragonridr
 


In the case of plasma, the field is growing. Far from being a dead end, as we learn more and more about plasma, the science is starting to dominate.

Quantum Mechanics looks like it is heading in the direction of the dust bin of science.



Dont confuse plasma physics with electric universe,and just so you know plasma physics is based on quantum physics thats how were making all those advancements. And were learning the more unusual properties of plasmas because quantum physics tell us they should be possible like superconductivity.And by all means please explain how quantum physics is heading for the dust bin since Cern has proved many of the concepts?




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