reply to post by spiritspeak
In my opinion, the above is just some theist-dystopian fantasy.
Fantasy to me is something positive, even with horror in it. But what I described is more like a nightmare to me. It isn't unreal or outlandish or
farfetched though, many countries chose democracy and the governments choose psychiatry/pharmaceuticals and surgery/control to prevent by rules and
regulations over religious institutes. Not saying rules and regulations are a bad thing. Point being people chose this the way the future is
Those countries with democracy make people choose things they might not choose when given the option pointblank and some of those countries influence
other countries either by promises, money, solutions which appear to work or military force.
What is it about religious people and their manic desire for and fascination with persecution and obsolescence?
I can ask the same about psychiatry/surgery and their desires for getting rid of everything which doesn't make sense to them.
It's not that faith isn't wanted, it's they are losing market shares, people have to go to hospitals for cures but not churches. At least this
appears to be the case to me, where one can still choose a religion by themselves and have to pay for it or recieve payment (in spiritual currency;
happiness) but if all else fails or one can't make the choice or is too late, it's the mental hospital as a final destination. A person must then be
healed so they can work and add to society instead of costing society. Which is all fair and there's not much more than self interest on both sides.
But religious institutes are divided and psychiatry/surgery is not.
Theology might have university degrees but so do psychiatry and surgery. But unlike Microsoft or Linux, in computers it's about concepts and religion
is slower to adapt than psychiatry and surgery which already have robots like Nao helping autistic kids, I have yet to see a robot preaching the
Veda's, Bible, Quran or even have religious services over the internet or confessions etc.
Besides that, why would it matter to a theist what the far speculative "future" might hold since they and theirs are all allegedly going to
their playground in the sky anyway?
Because in my beliefs we all go to the same place in the immaterial, which might be divided into seperate heavens and hells and some might sleep for
an undetermined time but we all share it like our planet. And even though that space might be infinite, there are techniques, people who know things,
how to enjoy the immaterial or help those in hells that one group would want to be with and the other not because either they don't believe in an
afterlife and end up in hell mostly or simply because they believe in different solutions.
Leave the "future" and the folks who are going to live it to the folks in the future.
I'm sure they'll be entirely capable of making their own decisions, all of their own accords and desires as responsible well informed, intelligent
adult human beings.
As a believer of a faith I believe there is something about memory and how we use things belonging to those of old. Like I said if a group of people
neglect or block those of the past who built the foundations, those wouldn't have a 'real' foundation anymore. But that is something difficult to
explain and I would have to write a thesis about it to make something of a point.
My opinion again; a world without religion in the future would be absolutely fantastic.
There may be difficulties but also rewards, looking only at the difficulties I can understand you believe what you say. In the past the faithful went
along and held their peace but I can see it happen they get ousted and left behind while from their perspective the future generations become
impossible to reach. This is pretty much the same in the immaterial
Sure, these mythologies have contributed in some ways toward the advancement of civilization, but, they've also held it back in many regards
as well. It's long past time these mythologies retreat to the provinces of History, certainly to be recognized and taught Historically in museums
and academia, but, all in all, just superstition and mythology; primitive belief systems belonging to primitive peoples.
At some point living beings began making agreements on speech and places, customs and this became cultures. Then when all material things were said
and done people began about the immaterial things and to guide all of this religion came to be. In the basis someone formulated good and bad, this
became heaven and hell and later again good and bad. Point being someone wanted to go gather some food, someone else more experienced perhaps older
said it wasn't a good idea to go gather food there because of monsters and risk of going to hell, all to convince that individual not to go there to
gather food but someplace else. It might be dangerous animals lived there and the person wasn't seen again or there were spots of quicksand, all
unknown to the young and bold but not to those who had memories of a loved one drowning.
Sure today all these things can be calculated like clockwork and communicated very fast but a computer can't generate hope, words for a solution must
be entered in search engines and it's those of faith who can. Besides ofcourse coming up with new things no one has heard of and might add something,
or not, sometimes much can be learned from broken systems too even if it is the hard way of learning.
To name just one comparison; what if the human body has a transmitter/receiver built in, but no one can come up with a way to use it or even if a
person has done that is unable to teach this to others since there is no physical evidence. Just so there might be many things humanity will never
know if the current way becomes dominant to such an extent it might cancel out religion alltogether.
Or another comparison; people in the past built churches and temples. It wouldn't be fair if psychiatrists/surgeons would take that place. Hospitals
for example are inventions from religions, those without faith or against shouldn't be able to just take it over and if they do they should do so
with care and leave the 'superstitious' parts alone or at least attain religious degrees such as theology along with the trials and tribulations the
saints had to go through otherwise they'll miss the point and something valuable would become inaccessible. I can't say what will happen, probably
nothing but that also means no more heaven or hell.