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SLAYER69
They need to make some intelligent cuts I say start at the top, the Commander in Chief and Hagel. That cuts a lot of dead weight pork right there....
edit on 24-2-2014 by SLAYER69 because: (no reason given)
You'd MAYBE have a point if our spending was somewhere in the ballpark of other countries' military spending. Then you could argue that it is misspent resources. HOWEVER since it has been pointed out to you that we spend more than the next half of the world put together on our military, we either have the BEST military in the world or a HUGE corruption problem in the Department of Defense. Both warrant reduced spending.
Political rhetoric. We are still helping them survive day to day.
This has nothing to do with the sentence you quoted. Who cares who starts the wars? The military is STILL being used to enforce our will overseas and kill people. Try agai
There is no winning an unwinnable war. Sorry that you haven't realized that yet, but it's true.
All of these things could be better handled by a small, mobile army consisting of mainly special forces.
Provide a link where China said it was at war with us. Being unfriendly with us != warpath.
It's better than spending buckets of money that could go to other things on a military that doesn't do anything or gets trained on equipment it never uses. I thought you wanted a reduction of the debt and deficit? Or are you just like every other Republican and only want to see it for things that YOU don't like?
Explain. In one post you said money doesnt matter. In another you said that spending A was good and spending B was bad. You are contradicting yourself, and you can try and dance around it, but its right there for all to see.
And the gov't BORROWS from SS to pay for things like...you guessed it, MILITARY BUDGET. nice try though. You know who is the biggest holder of american debt? Thats right, the SS administration.
Hmmm...so spending more on death and destruction than anything else is good...spending some one helping our populace be healthy and fed is bad. Interesting logic.
crazyewok
neo96
Taken a look at your own military ?
Erm the UK isnt going to be takeing back the colonys if thats what your worried about
Anyway news flash UK and USA miltary are joined at the hip.
neo96
Pay attention here too:
The Clinton era of gutting defense led to the INCREASE usage of contractors.
Just a friendly reminder to those who hate contractors.
Every time defense gets cut there is a corresponding rise in contractor usage.
I would rather have a military that is accountable than to gut it to people who are not.
neo96
reply to post by Krazysh0t
Arguing for the sake of 'arguing' ?
If you call stagnation 'survival'
Their todays no better than their yesterdays, and their tomorrows will be the same.
Wouldn't call that helping, surviving.
No need to try again.
BY a civilian commander in chief, and politicians.
So we go to war just for the hell of it then eh ?
Like Vietnam was?
Like Afghanistan was?
Record on that ain't been too great.
Why yes nothing says 'ally' better than backing Iraq,Iran,North Korea, and Syria, and hacking government sites, and corporate sites!
Lots of links about.
Gasp Imma a Republican !!!!
Now there is a 'dirty' word!
If Republican opposites were so all hair on fire so GD concerned about 'debt' and deficits' they would cut social engineering spending.
But no wait cut DEFENSE.
Ahhh, I get it. Money doesnt matter unless you say it does.
By all means, ignore the facts of social programs.
Ignore that every dollar paid in food stamps actually nets $1.25 in consumer spending
. Ignore that the only reason the military budget can be so high is because they take DIRECTLY from social programs.
The military has always had contractors wanna know why? Because the military builds next to nothing. Just about every weapon, plane and vehicle is always contracted out. The more you post just shows how little you actually know about the military.
Dodging my points I see. Very classy...
Exactly, I called it survival. That's all I called it. I'd rather these people survive then die, starving in the streets
Seriously, what does this have to do with ANYTHING? Militaries of ALL kinds are used for subjecting others to our will and killing people. It doesn't matter who is at the helm, it is just true. Stop deflecting the points.
Guess so, it certainly isn't to defend our freedoms like Republicans like to yell about.
Both of those two wars are examples of our large ground force based military failing to fight guerrilla warfare tactics of underequipped and poorly defined enemies. You just proved my point with those examples.
AGAIN, not being a true ally doesn't mean that we are at war with them. Why do we need a large ground force to stop cyberterrorism? Your points don't make any sense.
Why yes you do buy into the BS left/right rhetoric that all Democrats and Republicans fall for.
Explain to me why paying to make sure someone doesn't starve to death is worse than paying to maintain a force designed to kill large amounts of foreign people.
tothetenthpower
reply to post by onequestion
Yup, and there's the faux outrage.
Military suggests cuts, people jump up in the air, worried that American's military will fol overnight if we don't continue spending 50% of GDP in the thing.
The military NEEDS reduction if you are to save your own country. It's gotten ridiculous.
~Tenth
neo96
reply to post by Krazysh0t
What points ?
You'd MAYBE have a point if our spending was somewhere in the ballpark of other countries' military spending. Then you could argue that it is misspent resources. HOWEVER since it has been pointed out to you that we spend more than the next half of the world put together on our military, we either have the BEST military in the world or a HUGE corruption problem in the Department of Defense. Both warrant reduced spending.
Nice hyperbole.
Don't see people starving in the streets last time I heard America was one of the 'fattest' countries in the world.
But by all means. Feed those huddled masses with that glorious taxpayer subsidized GMO food!.
Doesn't matter!
Yeah someone is deflecting here.
Because the military has a CIVILIAN commander in Chief.
As opposed to the flip side of that coin who don't defend anything ?
If you say so.
We are always at war with someone. Although some have delusions of something else like how everyone just 'loves' the US.
Wasn't the one throwing the term Republican around was I ?
Someone clearly does buy in to the left/right rhetoric.
Not even going to bother.
Once again because people are not starving in this country.edit on 24-2-2014 by neo96 because: (no reason given)
You'd MAYBE have a point if our spending was somewhere in the ballpark of other countries' military spending. Then you could argue that it is misspent resources. HOWEVER since it has been pointed out to you that we spend more than the next half of the world put together on our military, we either have the BEST military in the world or a HUGE corruption problem in the Department of Defense. Both warrant reduced spending.
hat's because we have high social spending. What do you think these people will use to buy food if we make huge cuts to social spending?
Using the current state of the country to describe what the country would look like if we cut social spending is just disingenuous.
I am not deflecting. The purpose of any military is to kill other people. I really have no clue why you keep stressing the fact that the president is a civilian. H
I never claimed that the whole world loves us.
Do I? I'm not the one parroting Republican talking points
I'm the one trying to show you common sense on why we don't need a huge WWII style military anymore, but you just REFUSE to accept that we could possible be SOOOO much more efficient with a smaller, more focused military. AGAIN I used to be in the military, I know how the internal politics work.
BECAUSE WE CURRENTLY GIVE THEM MONEY TO BUY FOOD! What do you think will happen if we stopped doing that, which is what you keep suggesting? Man you're thick.
neo96
reply to post by Krazysh0t
So what ?
We spend more than the rest of the world on EVERYTHING.
What is the GD point ?
Well they aren't going to get/have a blue collar job that pays well at defense companies. That make OTHER civilian products.
Still will be on those programs.
No it isn't because ONCE AGAIN those companies make civilian products, and employ people from other companies that supply resources.
Really there is no GD point of telling people like it is.
The military doesn't start wars. Their civilian leaders do.
Really there is no GD point there.
Guess it is just better to be oblivious to the fact that the world is one giant crap sandwich and over the last 60 years we have always had to take a bite out of it.
That was hilarious I have never heard a 'republican' say half the stuff I do.
Common sense say that is a pipe dream.
Easier to make comments like that when your job ain't on the line.
The thick people don't understand where the money comes from to pay for that, and people who no longer have their jobs end right up on those programs.
Done insulting my intelligence ?
We done here?
So you think corporate welfare is ok but not civilian welfare?
FINE, the military doesn't start wars, a civilian does. Now explain to me why a large WWII style military is even necessary.
Republicans are the ones currently fighting to maintain the same level of military spending. So not only do you parrot Republican talking points, you pretend like they are your own thoughts.
neo96
reply to post by Krazysh0t
Social engineering programs IS CORPORATE WELFARE.
Read the GD article ?
READ IT ?
Cut to PRE world war 2 levels.
Now who is putting 'words' in someones mouth!
Awesome I always love it when someone else tells me what I think!
Here finish this post.
Moving on to something with more substance.
marg6043
reply to post by tothetenthpower
The US government is the biggest employer in the nation, without them unemployment in the US will make the nation a third world country indeed.
Remember US manufacturing is base now almost completely oversea in order to boost somebody else economy in what used to be you know third world countries.
The irony.
BTW the goal of Obama is to destroy completely the military to turned into the private sector