agreement in 1989 was that NATO will not expand eastwards. after 1991 when USSR dissolved, NATO started expanding given Russian situation was in
Since the Soviet Union broke apart, why would it not be ok for former Soviet republics to align themselves with a group that could help prevent
another soviet occupation?
My other question is how many of the treaties between the Soviet union / US / NATO remained in effect when the Soviet Union broke apart? In some
instances those agreements can become null since the group who signed the treaty are no longer in power.
not any more. now expect Russia to stomp on any incursions into its "near abroad".........even at the cost of nuclear war with anyone.
Which only forces former soviet republics to go towards the west. By acting in the manner Putin is, the countries being targeted are not going to
welcome a second occupation by Russian forces. It makes no sense.
in 1962, JFK said cuban missiles are aimed at our hearts. same situation here, Ukraine in NATO would be placing missiles next to our house.
uhm, ok. Please point out where the US / NATO would place nuclear weapons in Ukraine? Out of curiosity how much do you know about NATO's structure
and how their forces operate?
A country can be a member of NATO while at the same time not allowing NATO to place forces in country. A nation can be a member of NATO without
having to agree to nuclear arms being placed in country.
Are referring to missile defense instead of nuclear weapons? The ABM treaty from the 70's actually allowed the Us and USSR to develop and deploy an
ABM system. The soviets built one which protected Moscow. From my research the Us never developed a system (although recently that has occurred).
NATO countries are not required to deploy an ABM system nor are they required to host ABM radar systems.
Countries can come and go from NATO without issues. see France for examples.
NATO threat is ill conceived only in your views...........it is actual for Russia, China and others. Russia wants buffer between its borders vrs that
of the alliance.
Your invocation of China tells me you are not familiar with NATO. Read the charter and see who it applies to and in what area an action must occur in
order for NATO to invoke article 5. Hint - it only applies to the European theatre of operations.
so you want to fight Russia and that's why propose NATO expanding constantly eastwards? in that wish, you are encouraging the resurgence of the
Russian empire. history has time and again proven that Russian empire expands massively after it is attacked externally. similar to the fate of
Napolean, Nazis..............NATO's will be no different!
I have no desire to see a war break out. What I find interesting is how you argue your position. You blame NATO while at the same time you seem to
be ok with Russia invading former soviet republics to prevent them from joining NATO.
That mindset undermines the ability of those sovereign nations to determine their own fate. That mindset is one of the main reasons former east bloc
nations approached / met with NATO.
If I lived in a former soviet satellite country I would welcome NATO if it means a resurgent Russia cant simply just re-annex.
your fears and paranoias are the main reason why US/NATO nations are massively in debt and bankruptcy.
NATO is not in debt and I am not fearful or paranoid. Secondly the Soviet Union was the one that collapsed under communism so I really don't think you
want to get into a comparison on finance.
NATO is not a sovereign nation and relies on the military / financial funding from member nations. just as UN peacekeeping operations rely on the UN
Charter covering military use of force under UN command.
Using your logic one could argue the same for the UN as well as Russia.
I just find it hypocritical to hold a position while ignoring the past. I find it hypocritical for Russia to dictate foreign policy for countries it
does not control (like Ukraine / Georgia). NATO is not forcing these east bloc nations to join them. they are extending the invite, and as such,
those nations should be allowed to either join NATO or decline.
The decision should be theirs alone.
One thing is for certain.. The more Russia keeps trying to bring back the Soviet Union, the more countries you will see from eastern bloc nations
looking for West / NATO membership.
At the same time, Russia is more than welcome to invite nations to form a new eastern bloc alliance. However, when given the choice without fear of
Russian invasion, I don't see those nations running back in Russia embrace.
They are sovereign nations. let them make up their own mind for what group they wish to align with.
Russia does not attack but it sure does DESTROYS it's attackers...............put this fact implanted in your mind for all times to come !!
B movie bravado dialogue aside....
Russia does not attack? uhm ok. how exactly did all of those Soviet Republics come to find themselves under Soviet occupation?
Was it not the Soviet Union that assisted Hitler by stabbing Poland in the back?
Was it not the soviet Union hat refused to allow east European nations independence once world war II was over?
Russia does not destroy its attackers. History has proven that time and again.
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