Russian tanks exhibited at entrance to Sevastopol, Ukraine.

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Well, I'll tell ya...It may not make war more likely at all. As you know though, I'm in history and it's all about wars. This semester is, thus far, primarily about how Europe has been at war, over one thing or another, for the last several hundred years. Almost without break, somewhere on the continent. That's when the whole thing hasn't been in chaos and fighting at once.

For all the "official" book reasons, we have a creative instructor who loves the details behind the history and so hearing the anecdotes to some of what threw European powers into war is ....well, it'd be comical if it couldn't happen again. Given that it's so baffling to how nations went to war over such petty slights as it was? I don't pretend to understand the causes when the roots run back centuries and the hate is so strong, people almost vibrate with it.

So, I may be totally off on that part, and still hope I am....on the other hand, they've gone to fighting over less. Literally as I've been learning. Quite a world eh? (Doom porn not involved...as what will be, will be and worrying about it outside living there, will help about as much as praying to a Kumquat to make it rain...lol)

Russian units transferred from securing the Sochi games to the Ukraine border

DEBKAfile’s military sources report that units of the Russian forces which formed a steel ring around the Olympic Winter Games that ended in Sochi Sunday were flown and shipped Monday, Feb. 24 to Russian bases at the Ukrainian Crimean port of Sevastopol, as Moscow refused to recognize the legitimacy of the new authorities in Kiev.
Giant Russian Air Force transports and rapid deployment forces were placed on alert at the Rostov on-Don base east of the predominantly Russian-speaking southeastern Ukrainian town of Donetsk.
Russian military movements were also sighted near Belgorod, a Russian town 40 kilometers from the Ukraine border and north of its second largest town of Kharkov. There, too, most of the inhabitants are Russian speaking with a strong affinity to Moscow – in contrast to their European-oriented compatriots in the capital, Kiev.

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camaro68ss
the old vote to send the young to war and die.

Why does the united states need to be apart of this? WHY!!!

o yeah, thats right, oil and gas. forgot, thats worth killing over.

im tired of losing friends in useless wars.

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Because if you didn't you'd end up a country like Ukraine in the middle of a tug of war from East and west

No doubt if people lay down like that in the US it'll be china and Russia fighting over you pr Alaskan resources and pipelines

Hate the game not America, you can't blame the US for being Strong and wanting to be stronger in a dog eat dog world

Here near Sevastopol we have 5 tanks at least

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They look like one of the Russian BTR variant

Good catch

Well the 'technical' term is APC.

Armored Personnel Carrier.

Lot's of people call them 'tanks'.

Slayer is right Russian BTR.

It seems that everyone in this thread seems to think that a new cold war situation would be a bad thing. I don't. The "Cold War" was a good thing. The USSR and USA kept each other in check. There was balance. After the "Cold War" the USA really started to push their weight around globally and I for one don't like how they go about doing it either. The resurgence of Russia is a good thing for the most part, perhaps not for the Ukraine, but they will get through it. They would probably be better off being a part of Russia than a part of the EU. The EU is a mess. What nation would seriously want to be a part of the EU?

Darkmask
They would probably be better off being a part of Russia than a part of the EU. The EU is a mess. What nation would seriously want to be a part of the EU?

Ukraine is a mess, Thailand is a mess, Venezuela is a mess,Egypt,North Korea, Saudi Arabia and many many more.France, Germany, Holland, Austria,Estonia, Denmark and many more are not a mess.Seriosly , what nation would seriously DO NOT want to be part of this club.Every nation will choose EU, not Russia.

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Did anyone expect any different outcome ? thinking back to the good ol Warsaw pact days when I was stationed in their backyard , they (the russians ) as we all should know do not play and any opposition will be tamped down accordingly end of story.

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The countries who are doing well in the EU, were doing well before the formation of the EU, some perhaps better than now. Russia has a strong economy with lots of natural resources and are a nation on the rise. Many nations, most notably Greece and Spain are not doing so well in the EU and countries like Germany and France are obligated to carry the dead weight. Looking ahead to the future, prosperity will be found in the East.

Latest from today on RT:

Russia’s Foreign Ministry says it will provide the EU and OSCE with video proof that extremists caused chaos and devastation in Kiev. “We are deeply concerned by what is going on in Ukraine and, particularly, by how the West comments on the situation and tries to influence on it,” the Ministry said in a statement in English on its Facebook page. “Western media prefers not to talk about the fact that the riots were organized by extremists. Perhaps the management of the European structures does not know how extremists, posing themselves as "civilians" acted.”
15:15 GMT: Ukraine’s acting president Oleksander Turchinov said there were concerning "signs of separatism" in the mainly Russian-speaking Crimea.Turchinov warned against threat’s to the country’s territorial integrity, saying anyone engaged in separatist activities would be punished. Protesters on the southern peninsula have held rallies since President Viktor Yanukovich was ousted. Russia’s black Sea fleet is based out of Sevastopol, located on the southwestern tip of the peninsula. On Sunday, residents named Alexei Chalov, a Russian citizen, as the new mayor of Sevastopol as more than 20,000 poured onto the streets.
14:44 GMT: 'Like always, a traditional APC (armored personnel carrier) on the central square. Nothing to see here. #Sevastopol'

Here is the pic of the Russian APC on the street.

rt.com...

After a fortnight of violent clashes in the name of democracy, Ukraine seems to be falling into a totally different trend. Symbols of Soviet unity and victory over Hitler and Napoleon are being torn down, while those glorifying Nazi rule are multiplying.

It started with dozens of Lenin statues getting torn down across the country, but quickly moved onto passionate salutes and questionable symbolism creeping up walls across the country.

rt.com...

Photo's in source

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The whole Nazi thing I'm not sure about, however Ukrainian animosity towards their Soviet overlords makes totals sense. For at least the Southwestern region that dealt with the Holodomor famine, brought to you by Lenin and exacerbated by Stalin there is NO love for Russia or their atrocities and I honestly disagree with their government making any attempts to cozy up with the KGB.

mbkennel

all2human
reply to post by SLAYER69
Holds as much weight as Russia asking the United States to keep out of Canada under similar conditions.

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Q: Under what "similar conditions" would the USA deploy troops to potentially fight against the Canadian forces and government?

A: None


I'm no stupid jingoist, but look at the facts. In 1989 and 1990, you did not see Denmark and Netherlands (e.g.) eagerly escaping and joining the Warsaw Pact. There's a very good reason for that.

The two opposing sides are not mirror images of one another, despite what the USA/Europe haters seem to want to believe. Then, and now.

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The US has had several plans that dealt with Canada and invasion. The reason revolved around a possible war with Great Britain fought via Canada.

There was also discussion about Quebec and possibilities if they cede from Canada.

To add some levity - US-Canada comedy - The video is from the West Wing and the clips have been condensed for just the Canadian subplot.


As for Canadian invasion plans of the US -
Defense Scheme No. 1

Defence Scheme No. 1 was a plan created by Canadian Director of Military Operations and Intelligence Lieutenant Colonel James "Buster" Sutherland Brown, for a Canadian counterattack of the United States.

Targets[edit]

Defence Scheme No. 1 was created on April 12, 1921 and details a surprise invasion of the northern United States as soon as possible after evidence was received of an American invasion of Canada. It assumed that the Americans would first attempt to capture Montreal and Ottawa, then Hamilton, Toronto, the prairie provinces, and Vancouver and southwest British Columbia. Defence Scheme No. 1's American counterpart was War Plan Red, a plan to invade Canada as part of a war with Britain, created in 1930.[1]

The purpose of invading America was to allow time for Canada to prepare its war effort and to receive aid from Britain. According to the plan, Canadian flying columns stationed in Pacific Command in western Canada would immediately be sent to seize Seattle, Spokane, and Portland. Troops stationed in Prairie Command would be sent to attack Fargo and Great Falls, then move to Minneapolis. Troops from Quebec would be sent to seize Albany in a surprise counterattack while Maritime troops would attack Maine. When resistance to the Canadians grew they would retreat to their own borders, destroying bridges and railways to hinder American pursuit.[1][2]

MrSpad

all2human
reply to post by SLAYER69
Holds as much weight as Russia asking the United States to keep out of Canada under similar conditions.

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Except that on the other side of the Ukraine is NATO and the EU. Russia is out numbered and out gunned. Not to mention that if Russia were to allow itself to be drug into Ukraine, its restive southern provindences would see it as an opportunity to rise up. What Russia will do is put on a show and demand the West negotiate and declare victory like they did in Syria. That the West prefers negotiating to start with, will be ignored. Russia can not stand up to the west in any conflict so they will not let it come to that but, they will do there best to make it seem like the forced the West into talking.

When we are talking Russia vrs NATO/US, then we are talking NUKES rightaway.

Russia has no other military parity against NATO. Core of NATO i.e. Germany and France might walk out even before first of the Topols are warmed up.

Russian line is 'don't interfere with its near abroad' and give it two weeks, Kremlin will confirm the fact.

Mere $100M in covert funding and Russia can make sure that US/NATO does not leave Afghanistan for next 10 years and is forced to increase men and material in that area. Monthly costs will jack up to $10B again and even more.

So, what do you all think if say, Texas did this? They probably have a substantial National Gaurd and if all the military bases there decided to do the same. Fight the Fed?
Would Obama send tanks to the boarder? They appear to have enough natural resources (gas, oil, water, food) to fight. Especially if LA joined them. They could start trading with outside governments as the have plenty of water front (ports).
They could start the break up of the states!
THIS would be something to see!

MessageforAll
rt.com...

After a fortnight of violent clashes in the name of democracy, Ukraine seems to be falling into a totally different trend. Symbols of Soviet unity and victory over Hitler and Napoleon are being torn down, while those glorifying Nazi rule are multiplying.

It started with dozens of Lenin statues getting torn down across the country, but quickly moved onto passionate salutes and questionable symbolism creeping up walls across the country.

rt.com...

Photo's in source

RT is nothing more than a fully paid for by the Kremlin
propaganda generating state opinion and policy machine.

Don't be fooled by it.. it's not a real news channel,, though
i forgive you for thinking it is.

We have troop movement.Perhaps all this talk about the encirclement of Russia is not just a "Conspiracy Theory" after all.I do think it's interesting how the US/EU have been trying to paint these neo fascists as a democratic movement when from what we have seen they are nothing of the sort.They are "Freedom Fighters as long as they are useful they are "Terrorists" when they become inconvenient.

We now have unrest and violence in Crimea which has a Russian majority and wishes to seperate.

Russian army combat readyness drills started in central and western army commands.

RT

Agit8dChop

Xcathdra
you stated Russia saved the US during WWII. Since the facts don't support that, his question was valid. Your response did not support your statement. When, exactly during WWII, did Russia save the US?

If Russia hadn't of taken on the majority of the Nazi's military power, then US would have been driven into the sea.

But this wouldn't have even eventuated because Nazi Germany would have focused on Britain before 1944.

the world owes Russia a hell of a lot. They suffered and they fought harder than anyone else did.

This is so true! Hitler had a deep seated hatred against communism and Russia from his days in WWI. If it wasn't for Hitler's distraction and dumping hundreds of thousands of troops on the Eastern Front against Russia, England would have been over thrown, or at least, possessed by Germany until they would have been eventually pushed out. We would have been invading German held England in the forties instead of France. Germany would NEVER had been able to hold on to England.