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The Dust Bowl could return quickly, Gore declares!

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posted on Feb, 23 2014 @ 06:18 PM
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I never disputed the overuse of the aquifer... wouldn't surprise me at all if the recent quakes in OK City weren't a direct result... what has prevented the extreme erosion over large areas of land to the extent of blacking out Washington D.C. has been erosion management... ie. planting areas of trees to break the wind (snicker snicker) and allowing natural grasses to re-establish (with deep root structures) to hold the topsoil in place... whew. Break the wind...


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posted on Feb, 23 2014 @ 06:30 PM
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I am afraid if everyone keeps piling on Gore, he will lose his prestige, and then....like his daddy.... will have to go back to strip-mining the hills of East TN to keep his fortunes up.

Environmentalist Gore allowed zinc mine

Al Gore’s Greatest Scam on Earth


Environmental Wasteland in Gore's Backyard

What a hippocrite that bozo is....
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posted on Feb, 23 2014 @ 06:31 PM
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beezzer
Those that cast their religion under the guise of Global Climate. . . er. . . Weather, remind me of our primitive ancestors who would hoot and howl at the setting of the sun, worrying that it might leave them in darkness forever.

It is, in my humble opinion, all political madness. Use of weather to enact political, idealogical change is dishonest and smacks of Snake Oil salesmen.

"Buy my product! It will save the planet and only cost you most of your money!"


So, True, So True,,, Do you remember reading this article from 2008, it's a Canadian Paper and Very Good.
They Nailed Al Gore.


Just how crazy is Al Gore? That was the question that popped, once again, into my brain as I read a January 24 Agence France Press news story out of the Davos meeting of business and political elite. Gore asserted that, “the North Pole ice caps may disappear entirely during summer months within five years…”

Gore must of said that back in 2008, To the best of my knowledge, The Ice Caps Haven't Melted!


This kind of apocalyptic nonsense has been ratcheting upward ever since the new century began and my theory is that lunatics like Al Gore know that they are running out of time when it comes to imposing draconian restrictions on the use of every form of energy known to mankind. This is the purpose of the global warming hoax.

The Times later published another story about Arctic ice loss, adding the equally bogus issue of polar bears dying as the result. Currently, Greens are trying to get polar bears declared an “endangered species” in order to close off all of Alaska to any exploration or the extraction of the billions of barrels of oil known to exist there.

The problem with this latest ploy is that the polar bear population has risen from approximately 5,000 in 1950 to around 25,000 today as documented by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. It is the same agency being asked to declare the bears endangered and, for good measure, a species of loon as well.


Just How Crazy
ETA: The Real Reason for all these B S.
Is to Pad Their Pockets.



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posted on Feb, 23 2014 @ 06:41 PM
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Al Gore is a dunce. Started out trying to ban music he deemed offensive and now he's shoveling this load. The guy has always been a half-brain dead square.



posted on Feb, 23 2014 @ 06:45 PM
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It's my understanding of the dust bowl from what seemed like an endless 20+ hour audio book I'd forced myself through on the history of it, grasses and the total pulzerizing of top soil by using fields for back to back crops with no time to sit and no rotation to allow them to keep any balance was the largest cause of it. That is what left the soil in a state where it blew like talcum powder as some contemporary descriptions have it. Nothing like the dust storms I've been in myself around Phoenix, for instance. Pics from the Dust Bowl show 'drifts' like snow.


It blighted parts of New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma, Colorado, and over half of Kansas. In 1933, there were multiple dust storms that lasted seventy days. In 1935, it stripped away an estimated 850,000 tons of good topsoil, the same year that it drove 250,000 people from their homes.


It's an event I'd encourage anyone who thinks history is boring to learn about, as it's anything but. More than anything, IMO, because the reality they lived in the places anyone can see today and many of us have driven across is unimaginable.


And where did all this dust come from? According to Egan, it was, first, a part of 19th Century national policy to rid the country of the Indians and the buffalo they fed on. Then along came World War I, and its demand for wheat, and good old American realty (not reality): sell the land in what was, some years, a desert, to would-be farmers at a low price.

They came into Western Kansas, Northern Texas, or No Man's Land in the Oklahoma panhandle. They plowed up the buffalo grass that had been there for centuries. Within a short time, with the coming of drought, the topsoil literally blew away.
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Now that was a man made environmental disaster history books really have recorded. One of the facts I found interesting that sticks in memory is that the term "Gentleman Farmer" came from that period and referred to wealthy people in the cities who owned land out in the central states. They simply had no care or concern for it beyond pure extraction of profit to harvest, so had field hands work the land to it's own actual death, while visiting rarely for more than checking on problems to the revenue stream. Then the dry years came...
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posted on Feb, 23 2014 @ 06:54 PM
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That's how I understand it too. But besides the conservation efforts madmac5150 refers to, the US Breadbasket exists because of irrigation using water from the Ogallala Aquifer. The water is gone, and the land has NOT been returned to grass and scrub. So another dustbowl really is possible in the near future. Certainly due to lack of proper stewardship, if not "climate change." Don't want to get into defending Gore but he's probably right (if for the wrong reasons).


On October 18, 2012, the Associated Press reported that “a massive dust storm swirling reddish-brown clouds over northern Oklahoma triggered a multi-vehicle accident along a major interstate…forcing police to shut down the heavily traveled roadway amid near blackout conditions.” Farmers in the region had recently plowed fields to plant winter wheat. The bare soil—desiccated by the relentless drought that smothered nearly two-thirds of the continental United States during the summer and still persists over the Great Plains—was easily lifted by the passing strong winds, darkening skies from southern Nebraska, through Kansas, and into Oklahoma.

.....After World War II, well-drilling and pumping technologies allowed farmers to tap into the Ogallala aquifer, a vast reservoir of water beneath the Plains, stretching from southern South Dakota through the Texas Panhandle. Irrigation expanded, with center-pivot sprinklers creating the green circles overlain on brown squares that are familiar to anyone who has flown over the central United States.

In recent decades irrigation has allowed the traditional Corn Belt to move westward onto drier lands. Kansas, for instance, sometimes called “the Wheat State,” harvesting one-sixth of the U.S. crop, now produces as much corn as it does wheat. The wheat is primarily rainfed, but more than half the corn is irrigated.

As extraction of the underground water has increased, however, water tables have fallen. The depletion is particularly concerning in the Central and Southern Plains where there is virtually no replenishment of the aquifer from rainfall, foreshadowing an end to the use of this finite resource. In the former Dust Bowl states, irrigation had its boom, but in many areas it is beyond its peak. With wells going dry, ....



posted on Feb, 23 2014 @ 07:01 PM
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I thought all of those methane spewing, flatulent bovine grass munchers were supposed to have melted the ice caps by now... that would free up some water...




posted on Feb, 23 2014 @ 07:11 PM
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Wait... doesn't look empty. Depleted? Absolutely. Empty? Not so much...



Yes, the data is older, but even at those rates it would take centuries to fully deplete... again, I have no doubt that this has caused the earthquakes in Oklahoma City... but completely empty? It's strawman doom-porn by proxy at best...


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posted on Feb, 23 2014 @ 07:16 PM
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so it's a cycle so simple to follow: in the '70 ice age coming denisdutton.com...
and now it's the other way around



posted on Feb, 23 2014 @ 07:42 PM
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Hmm, we had a similiar debate here in Australia when the 'big dry' was happening.

Mr Gore needs to look at the El Nino / La Nina cycle. According to the Australian Bureau of metorology the ocean is in a neutral state at this very moment, which does technically mean that he has a 50% chance of being right.

Basically, looking at the pic, when we are in drought, the peninsular of Mexico and the USA has warmer waters and therefore higher rainfall and vice versa.




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posted on Feb, 23 2014 @ 08:32 PM
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I used to live in the area - my original information comes from people living in Kansas, New Mexico, Oklahoma and Colorado and relying on water from the aquifer (back around 1998-2000). Some farmers in these areas have been scared for a while. Here's information on Water-level Change in the High Plains Aquifer System from the USGS.





• Area-weighted, average water-level changes in the aquifer were an overall decline of 14.2 feet from predevelopment to 2011; and a decline of 0.1 foot from 2009–11;
• Total water in storage in the aquifer in 2011 was about 2.96 billion acre-feet;
• Changes in water in storage, predevelopment to 2011, was an overall decline of about 246 million acre-feet; and
• Changes in water in storage, 2009-11, was an overall decline of 2.8 million acre-feet.



posted on Feb, 23 2014 @ 08:38 PM
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Still isn't empty... that's all I am saying...

Strawman Doom-Porn By Proxy



posted on Feb, 23 2014 @ 08:45 PM
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Still isn't empty... that's all I am saying...

Strawman Doom-Porn By Proxy


You've obviously never heard the story of the Prince who was given a lily-pond with the warning the lilies would double in size every day, or the peasant who told the emperor that all he wanted as a reward was a single grain of rice, doubled 100 times. Funny thing about that exponential shtuff.

So America relies on the breadbasket, the breadbasket relies on the aquifer and the aquifer's goin' dry. Just sayin'.



posted on Feb, 23 2014 @ 08:49 PM
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That's what they said about the Murray Daling Basin and it's enormous aquifer here in Australia until someone pointed out that even when the rains did return, it would take 200 years for them to replenish to pre drought levels.

All this Al Gore bashing is classic shooting the messenger because you don't like the message. Sure he gets it wrong sometimes, but he has raised awareness on a very real threat to our generation and those that follow us.

Irrigation and depletion of Aquifers is a humungous problem that we have not really comprehended the full scope of yet.



posted on Feb, 23 2014 @ 09:00 PM
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Maybe try reading the OP before arguing for the sake of arguing. The OP, and many following responses to the OP, can answer those questions if you would take the time to read them...



posted on Feb, 23 2014 @ 09:41 PM
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Okay, in relation to the OP;

Yes ,as stated in my previous post about El Nino and La Nina, there is a chance that Al Gore is correct. The Pacific ocean current is in a neutral state, meaning that it could swing back to more drought for the USA and wet conditions for Australia, or it could be the complete reverse. He has a 50/50 chance of being right - I've already said this.

No, Al Gore is not correct when he says we need to act now to stop it, unless he has a giant egg beater he is going to use to create his own ocean currents.

Al Gore is sensationalising the truth, I am not denying that in this particular case. However, if you look what he has done and how he got the debate on climate change aka global warming as he originally called it started, he's done a fine job of bringing our attention to a pressing issue.

I studied horticulture at school way back in 1990 and one of the components of that course was meteorology. Even then it was being talked about that weather patterns were changing. It was an emerging idea back then and even my teacher was like, "I have no idea why this is in the curriculum, it's utter rubbish"

The whole point I am trying to make is that the OP is correct in that Al Gore got it wrong with his little porky about being able to influence the drought cycle, but it doesn't mean that you throw the baby out with the bath water. i.e. just because Mr. Gore is not always a reliable source of information, it doesn't mean that climate change and it's associated dangers aren't are real thing.



posted on Feb, 23 2014 @ 09:42 PM
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yeah...but did he reveal any new manbearpig sightings?



posted on Feb, 23 2014 @ 10:18 PM
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It was an ideology that began in the 80s after decades of skewed and inaccurate data were analyzed with, what I am sure were Apple Computers... hence the "Green" movement being tied to Seattle, Grunge music and Starbucks being the result. You see where this is going?

"Climate change" is a corporate movement to generate "awareness", AKA "a lot of damned money", led by the MSM and spoon fed to everyone on MTV and CNN. Open your eyes, quit listening to garbage and follow the almighty dollars... ask who profits the most... The same companies causing "climate change" are the ones making the most damned money by its promotion... followed only by the politicians that get to pass policy while being invested in those same damned companies.

"Climate change" is crap. Let it go... besides... a fresh global disaster is surely just around the corner, waiting to be scripted and exploited.


Manbearpig is FAR more believable...


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Oh, they just cannot resist the urge to beat a dead horse… *sighs*

To the below posts by markosity and others... I pre-respond.

I refuse to entertain your deranged perception of reality any further. You cannot be reasoned with, it seems, so I shall digress and be equally annoying and petty. I shall not waste another post on brainwashed corporate garbage. Science ends when it becomes corporatized and taxable. Real scientists are passed over and shamed when they challenge the current spin. Ask them…

Real thinkers sit at home and think of ways to stick it to the man… or, in this case, you.

By “pre-posting” I have obviously mastered time travel, and clearly should not be messed with!! All fear madmac!! He has harnessed the 1.21 gigwatts required to pull this crap off!!

I also have the clear advantage of being able to always have this post read BEFORE your clever retort, so as to skew the minds of the gentle readers before they ever happen upon your best mastery of the English language!!!!

I now know how Rick James felt! I’m Rick James baby
(substitute word used so as to not tear the space time continuum… it would surely be blamed on me in later posts at some point in the future!!!!!.)

This sentence will soon be far smarter and more transcendent! (As I sit here and look at just how stupid my previously written sentence looked… I realize, that, through the amazing miracle of time travel I have plenty of time to edit. I am sure I will come up with something better.) Einstein was Rick James with this time thing…

I further predict that an alien will soon make me laugh!!!

I can also say that, my post WILL FOREVER BE ON TOP OF YOURS!!! Read your post and LOOK up… it shall haunt you… it will consume you… in the deepest pits of your non-time traveling, or, at least somewhat slower dimension it will dawn on you that I have triumphed!

(For lurkers out there… you probably won’t get this part. It’s cool. Time travel baby… when you finally do come to the darkside, all will be explained… it’s the red pill neo)

Look at my avatar on this day, and the source of smugness shall be revealed!!! It’s in the eyes… always in the eyes…

Alas, I digress, I shall leave things as such…

In the immortal words of the most powerful mind on this planet, Dr. Sheldon Cooper…

Neener neener neener.

*NOW you know where evil geniuses get their PhDs…

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posted on Feb, 23 2014 @ 11:31 PM
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Still isn't empty... that's all I am saying...

Strawman Doom-Porn By Proxy




madmac, listen this Nut Case Gore has been Preaching this Crap for years.
He has a following, kind of like the Moonies or the Hare Krishna's.


Speaking of loons, Gore has been spewing forth his insane forecasts since the early 1990s during which time he published “Earth in the Balance: Ecology and the Human Spirit.” In fact, Gore blames everything that happens on Earth or in its atmosphere on humans. “Human civilization is now the dominant cause of change in the global environment.”

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You just have a hard time getting them to understand, We Have Advanced Technology that we've implemented sense the day's of the Dust Bowl and how our Agricultural Land is used and cared for.
You're right, it isn't empty, but they won't see it that way.

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posted on Feb, 23 2014 @ 11:36 PM
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Ahh, I see you are one of the headless chickens Prince Charles spoke of.

You are entitled to your opinions, as am I to mine. In the end mother nature will nature show who is correct



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